FB: Liberty League

[SaintsFAN]

I guess it doesn't, bra.. Just interesting because espn made the switch. 

Just saw Matt Schauba wife on some segment on there and now I wish I had been an NFL QB.. Holy blue balls.  Pbr?  Where is she on your hot-a-meter?

One more thought on Millen.. Move him back next to the players.. One night we will have some great TV moment when star player flips his lid on live TV.

whistle blows in the background....pbr has to throw the flag here on SF....for unsportsmanlike conduct (no pic of wife!)

ok, SF needs to learn from penalties... but, just like holding on a lookout block, SF's excuse is that he was posting from his crack berry.

[PBR...]

I guess it doesn't, bra.. Just interesting because espn made the switch. 

Just saw Matt Schauba wife on some segment on there and now I wish I had been an NFL QB.. Holy blue balls.  Pbr?  Where is she on your hot-a-meter?

One more thought on Millen.. Move him back next to the players.. One night we will have some great TV moment when star player flips his lid on live TV.

whistle blows in the background....pbr has to throw the flag here on SF....for unsportsmanlike conduct (no pic of wife!)

ok, SF needs to learn from penalties... but, just like holding on a lookout block, SF's excuse is that he was posting from his crack berry.

schaub is a local boy that pbr saw play in h.s. many times. a good guy as well and obviously has done very well for himself on and off the field!

[SaintsFAN]

pbr is going to love this story about Clausen:


http://news.puggal.com/jimmy-clausen-punched-12434/

[pumkinattack]

Here, Terd.  I did what you did, except, I applied relative distancing based on my assessments of the seasons each team had.  No, I didn't juice the numbers.  Here's what I came up with based on my personal assessments, backed by my arguments from the last couple days:

1. Alfred
1.5. Susquehanna
2. Union
2.5. Springfield
3. SJF
4. Hobart
4.5. Ithaca
5. Rochester
6.5. RPI
8. St. Lawrence
11. MMA
13. Hartwick
14. WPI
15. Utica

Average positioning:  

LL -- 1.5+2+4+5+6.5+8+11+14 = 52/8 = 6.5

E8 -- 1+2.5+3+4.5+13+15 = 39/6 = 6.5

Like I said, my nod, based on OOC fluff goes to the LL.  However, losing Susquehanna obviously changes the "this point forward" comparisons.

So Frank, if Las Vegas people crunched numbers and made up point spreads for each of these teams (if they all played this week), you think each higher ranked team would be favored over lower ranked teams?

I do not think that is the case.  Then again, I have not seen Hobart, RPI, Springfield, Susq, Hartwick or Utica play this year.

I do know Ithaca and SJF found a groove late in the season.  I think they would both be favorites in games vs. Hobart, Sasquach, Union and Alfred.

I think you have to have AU and SJF at the top (could make the case for SJF being #1 and IC/Union/Springfield/Hobart/SUS at the next level (hard to compare ordering, IC and Hobart finished strong, U had mixed results as did Springfield), then you have the next bracket of UofR/RPI/Hartwick/maybe MMA - better win than any of the others which shouldn't be discounted, then Utica/WPI/SLU.  Given having 8 teams instead of six, the bottom is weaker in the LL, but really, throw Norwich or some of those garbage OOC teams in, which I believe multiple E8 teams played and mix it all in a food processor and you have the E8 being slightly better at the top but everything else being a wash.  The reality is that the playoff games were a letdown for both and the ECAC games are both hard to judge and yet at the same time the results that were expected (Upstate, you're reasonable, but the Union outcome and SJF one vs. Hartwick were the same, Hartwick threw up a junk TD with a minute left to make in 7pts closer and Union was playing w/o their best player - Coney).  With the way the season finished out, IC's claim to finishing strong really reasts on the AU outcome sincethe Cortland game was by 3, Cortland finished the season with 2 straight losses and their reecord was a product of who they played and SJF beat Cortland by 2tds (Cortaca notwithstanding bc IC has beaten better Cortland teams by a lot more).  I only add this last point bc Hobart won 4 straight to finish the season w/a young QB learning how to play against softer competition, but I think that game might be a pickem today on a neutral field.    

[PBR...]

pbr is going to love this story about Clausen:


http://news.puggal.com/jimmy-clausen-punched-12434/

jimmay says its not cool to give me 2 black eyes even when sucker punching me!! afterall how is jimmay supposed to roll w/ my feathered boa and stretch and looking like a raccoon...

 


or even in my speedo for heavens sake!





too bad urban warfare just went on record saying no thx to the domers...

[SaintsFAN]

too bad urban warfare just went on record saying no thx to the domers...

didn't Saban say that also (tersely) when he was with the Dolphins?  Though, SF believes Brian Kelly is the #1 candidate here for the Domers.

[PBR...]

too bad urban warfare just went on record saying no thx to the domers...

didn't Saban say that also (tersely) when he was with the Dolphins?  Though, SF believes Brian Kelly is the #1 candidate here for the Domers.

the amount of money ND would have to eat (pun intended) on the weis contract and what they would have to pay urban pbr just doesnt see it happening. especially in this economy. in fact wouldnt surprise me to see weis there 1 more year just to slice another year off that contract and make it less painful to swallow for a buy out. of course we all would love to see weis there another year...

[lewdogg11]

Ok, so i'll shut up on the topic after this...but to appease Frank, I made a breakdown, without manually changing the #'s to make them even.  I even adjusted some #'s (Fisher/Susq/Springfield - Hobart/Roch/Hartwick - Union/Ithaca) after thinking about them more, and to make people happy.  Here is what I came up with with.  1/2 points don't exist in my logic because there is no such thing as the 1.5 best team.

1   Alfred
2   StJohnFisher
3   Susquehanna
4   Springfield
5   Union
6   Ithaca
7   Hobart
8   Rochester
9   Hartwick
10   RPI
11   MMA
12   StLawrence
13   WPI
14   Utica

LL - 3+5+7+8+10+11+12+13 = 69/8 - 8.625
E8 - 1+2+4+6+9+14 = 36/6 = 6

Not that I even care because I don't feel numbers are needed, the E6 is slightly better than the LL top to bottom this year.  They are stronger at the top, relatively the same in the middle, and marginally weaker at the bottom with what i consider the worst team of the 14, however, I think Utica, WPI, St. Lawrence, MMA would have a sick Round Robin tourney.

[SaintsFAN]

too bad urban warfare just went on record saying no thx to the domers...

didn't Saban say that also (tersely) when he was with the Dolphins?  Though, SF believes Brian Kelly is the #1 candidate here for the Domers.

the amount of money ND would have to eat (pun intended) on the weis contract and what they would have to pay urban pbr just doesnt see it happening. especially in this economy. in fact wouldnt surprise me to see weis there 1 more year just to slice another year off that contract and make it less painful to swallow for a buy out. of course we all would love to see weis there another year...

The reports out of South Bend is the rich alumni are basically passing a hat to make Weis go away and fix the problem that is ND football.  I don't think they'll get a great coach without relaxing admission standards like they did under Lou Holtz.

[PBR...]

ever wonder how pumpkin pie is made?

[Jonny Utah]

too bad urban warfare just went on record saying no thx to the domers...

didn't Saban say that also (tersely) when he was with the Dolphins?  Though, SF believes Brian Kelly is the #1 candidate here for the Domers.

the amount of money ND would have to eat (pun intended) on the weis contract and what they would have to pay urban pbr just doesnt see it happening. especially in this economy. in fact wouldnt surprise me to see weis there 1 more year just to slice another year off that contract and make it less painful to swallow for a buy out. of course we all would love to see weis there another year...

The reports out of South Bend is the rich alumni are basically passing a hat to make Weis go away and fix the problem that is ND football.  I don't think they'll get a great coach without relaxing admission standards like they did under Lou Holtz.

Im not sure how much of the admissions thing I buy at ND.  Im sure ND has somewhat of a disadvantage with the admissions process, but I think they more than make up for it with their recruiting area (the whole country).  While Florida has the advantage of having Florida and the South as a recruiting base, Florida does not have California, Ohio, PA or Texas.  ND can recruit all those states.

[PBR...]

too bad urban warfare just went on record saying no thx to the domers...

didn't Saban say that also (tersely) when he was with the Dolphins?  Though, SF believes Brian Kelly is the #1 candidate here for the Domers.

from what pbr is hearing from several irish sources there are 2 tiers of coaches ND is looking for...

tier 1: urban meyer, bob stoops

tier 2: brian kelly, harbaugh, etc...

note: might want to cross brian kelly off your list...several well connected irish peeps pbr knows have told him today there are several skeletons in the closet for kelly that will make ND stay away....pbr knows what they are but would rather issue the no comment until confirmed...

[dewcrew88]

However, I also believe that the MAC was a lot up this year.

+k for being right on with this statement. dlip recalls early in the season when Leb Val, Del Val (even after the loss to Wesley), and Albright seemed hot, some, myself included, hesitated to recognize the strength of this conference and wanted to wait and see how things played out. Well they played out and hats of to the MAC and its top three teams.

Why do I say the E8 is much more up on the LL this year?  Because it is my belief that if you combined the 2 conferences, Alfred, St. John Fisher, and Springfield would probably come in 1 - 2 - 3.  And MAYBE Ithaca would even take 4th...I think Hartwick was garbage this year so Union beating them doesn't make my nads perk up.  I think the Super Conference standings would have gone down like this:

1.  Alfred
2.  Springfield
3.  St. John Fisher
4.  Susquehanna
5.  Ithaca
6.  Union
7.  Hobart
8.  Hartwick
9.  Rochester
10.  RPI
11.  MMA
12.  St. Lawrence
13.  WPI
14.  Utica

I think UC could beat slu, wpi and maybe even mma

[dlippiel]

too bad urban warfare just went on record saying no thx to the domers...

didn't Saban say that also (tersely) when he was with the Dolphins?  Though, SF believes Brian Kelly is the #1 candidate here for the Domers.

the amount of money ND would have to eat (pun intended) on the weis contract and what they would have to pay urban pbr just doesnt see it happening. especially in this economy. in fact wouldnt surprise me to see weis there 1 more year just to slice another year off that contract and make it less painful to swallow for a buy out. of course we all would love to see weis there another year...

The reports out of South Bend is the rich alumni are basically passing a hat to make Weis go away and fix the problem that is ND football.  I don't think they'll get a great coach without relaxing admission standards like they did under Lou Holtz.

Im not sure how much of the admissions thing I buy at ND.  Im sure ND has somewhat of a disadvantage with the admissions process, but I think they more than make up for it with their recruiting area (the whole country).  While Florida has the advantage of having Florida and the South as a recruiting base, Florida does not have California, Ohio, PA or Texas.  ND can recruit all those states.

True to an extent, but with each ****ty season the gloss is very slowly fading from the once shinny, everyone and their ****ing mom wants to go to Notre Dame Fighting Irish. The youth in this country tend to focus on the now and the Irish have not been the "now" in a while. To dlip this has defnitely hurt their recruting prowess. It used to take one iota of Irish interest to solidify a young recruit. Today some ask the Irish the same question they have been asking the other schools for years, "Why the **** should I go to Notre Dame when you suck and I have five SEC schools recruiting me?" Seeing the Irish struggle is not very enjoyable for dlip and he hopes things turn around.

[pumkinattack]

Ok, so i'll shut up on the topic after this...but to appease Frank, I made a breakdown, without manually changing the #'s to make them even.  I even adjusted some #'s (Fisher/Susq/Springfield - Hobart/Roch/Hartwick - Union/Ithaca) after thinking about them more, and to make people happy.  Here is what I came up with with.  1/2 points don't exist in my logic because there is no such thing as the 1.5 best team.

1   Alfred
2   StJohnFisher
3   Susquehanna
4   Springfield
5   Union
6   Ithaca
7   Hobart
8   Rochester
9   Hartwick
10   RPI
11   MMA
12   StLawrence
13   WPI
14   Utica

LL - 3+5+7+8+10+11+12+13 = 69/8 - 8.625
E8 - 1+2+4+6+9+14 = 36/6 = 6

Not that I even care because I don't feel numbers are needed, the E6 is slightly better than the LL top to bottom this year.  They are stronger at the top, relatively the same in the middle, and marginally weaker at the bottom with what i consider the worst team of the 14, however, I think Utica, WPI, St. Lawrence, MMA would have a sick Round Robin tourney.
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Yeah I'm basically on the same page with this (maybe bracketing slightly differently), but the bottom line is that the E8 is better because they have top 2 teams and they don't have as much at the bottom due to only having six teams - kind of like the DI lax debate about whether the ACC is a conference when it's only 4 unreal teams (UMD, UNC, UVA & Duke), or is it more of a coalition when comparing with the ECAC, CAA, GWLL or, now, Big East. 

And Dew, I knew you'd comment on UC vis-a-vis the other bottom two or three teams, but 12-14 are fairly interchangeable doesn't mean much.