FB: Liberty League

[SJFF82]

translation..."I did juice the numbers and this is just my subjective silly opinion just like everyone else's"

What, you got tired of beating up on DC and need a new culprit?  Try again.  I don't see your list of 14 here, Judas.

What the hell posts are you reading?  Besides, you want all 10000 posters to post a list...then then the focus would not be on you....where you want it.

[PBR...]

giddy up....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576649,00.html?test=latestnews

Thats pretty funny... I'm assuming the girl didn't care about falling below... see how she's propped up on the ledge?

SF had a gf of two years that loved to be in public --- glad we didn't make any newspapers.

no stopping there...the LLPP wants to know more...strangest place? who almost caught u? etc etc etc....its in the details my boy...

[TheGrove]

giddy up....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576649,00.html?test=latestnews

Thats pretty funny... I'm assuming the girl didn't care about falling below... see how she's propped up on the ledge?

SF had a gf of two years that loved to be in public --- glad we didn't make any newspapers.

How do you know you didn't? Or at least the background of someone's photo?

[Frank Rossi]

Frank, what would you put the spread at on AU-Susq if they had to play today in a game that mattered?  How bout SJF-Susq. ?

Subtract relative positions and multiply the difference by 2.5.  Then apply a three-point advantage to the home team or no advantage on a neutral field.  

So Fisher only beats Susq. by .5 at Fisher....love to see you put some money on those odds Frank.  

Fisher beats IC on the road by 23
Fisher outgains SC by 500 yds and wins by 35 on the road
Fisher dominates Cortland statistically and by 14 on the scoreboard
Fisher loses to AU (Yours and Terd's Number 1) by only 3

....and how does Susq fair in this hypothetical tilt?

Fisher against Ithaca would be a 5-point favorite on a neutral field, 8-point favorite at home and 2-point favorite on the road based on my own assessment.  If bookies used your methodology, Ty, they'd go broke:

"Well, you see, DVC beat SUS by 59 last week and those two teams are meeting again soon.  Obviously, the line should be set at SUS +59!"  

I'll take SUS and the under, please.  And again, before you act like the know-it-all you try to come across as in the E8PP, please show us your slate of 14...  Thanks.

[SJFF82]

Frank, what would you put the spread at on AU-Susq if they had to play today in a game that mattered?  How bout SJF-Susq. ?

Subtract relative positions and multiply the difference by 2.5.  Then apply a three-point advantage to the home team or no advantage on a neutral field.  

So Fisher only beats Susq. by .5 at Fisher....love to see you put some money on those odds Frank.  

Fisher beats IC on the road by 23
Fisher outgains SC by 500 yds and wins by 35 on the road
Fisher dominates Cortland statistically and by 14 on the scoreboard
Fisher loses to AU (Yours and Terd's Number 1) by only 3

....and how does Susq fair in this hypothetical tilt?

Fisher against Ithaca would be a 5-point favorite on a neutral field, 8-point favorite at home and 2-point favorite on the road based on my own assessment.  If bookies used your methodology, Ty, they'd go broke:

"Well, you see, DVC beat SUS by 59 last week and those two teams are meeting again soon.  Obviously, the line should be set at SUS +59!"  

I'll take SUS and the under, please.  And again, before you act like the know-it-all you try to come across as in the E8PP, please show us your slate of 14...  Thanks.

Please Frank...did anyone else take that out of my post?

Genius....I used your equation to come up with Fisher being a .5 favorite at home ag. Susq.  Care to defend the equation you came up with instead of answer my question with a completely different question and answer.

Thanks.

[Frank Rossi]

Please Frank...did anyone else take that out of my post?

Genius....I used your equation to come up with Fisher being a .5 favorite at home ag. Susq.  Care to defend the equation you came up with instead of answer my question with a completely different question and answer.

Thanks.

What's to defend?  If those are the numbers, those are the numbers.  You asked what I'd estimate a point spread to be based on my relative strengths, and I've explained it to you three times.  You're making zero sense on how you're posing this -- what would I have to defend?  The numbers are not out of question by any means.

[Edit:  Anytime you're ready with your list of 14...]

[SaintsFAN]

giddy up....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576649,00.html?test=latestnews

Thats pretty funny... I'm assuming the girl didn't care about falling below... see how she's propped up on the ledge?

SF had a gf of two years that loved to be in public --- glad we didn't make any newspapers.

How do you know you didn't? Or at least the background of someone's photo?

This is true... but I haven't seen any pictures on the 'net of a beached whale humpin' a chick (the beached whale is me not the ex-gf)

[lewdogg11]

If it makes anyone feel better, I'd have Fisher at -10 at Susquehanna.(O/U 49)  I know 1 person it won't make feel better.

[Frank Rossi]

If it makes anyone feel better, I'd have Fisher at -10 at Susquehanna.(O/U 49)  I know 1 person it won't make feel better.

I'll put one large on a SUS/over parlay, Terd. 

[lewdogg11]

If it makes anyone feel better, I'd have Fisher at -10 at Susquehanna.(O/U 49)  I know 1 person it won't make feel better.

I'll put one large on a SUS/over parlay, Terd. 

I would take that bet in a heartbeat.

[mattvsmith]

giddy up....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576649,00.html?test=latestnews

The Rev would never have put himself in competition with a clock.

"Check it out, he was finished before the clock struck three!"

[SaintsFAN]

I would take that bet in a heartbeat.

that looks like Simon Adebisi from Oz

[union89]

If it makes anyone feel better, I'd have Fisher at -10 at Susquehanna.(O/U 49)  I know 1 person it won't make feel better.

I'll put one large on a SUS/over parlay, Terd. 

I would take that bet in a heartbeat.

You and everyone else in LLPP & E8PP....the one taking all the action would be broke.

I'd set the line closer to Fisher -14 on the road.

[dlippiel]

Ok, so i'll shut up on the topic after this...but to appease Frank, I made a breakdown, without manually changing the #'s to make them even.  I even adjusted some #'s (Fisher/Susq/Springfield - Hobart/Roch/Hartwick - Union/Ithaca) after thinking about them more, and to make people happy.  Here is what I came up with with.  1/2 points don't exist in my logic because there is no such thing as the 1.5 best team.

1   Alfred
2   StJohnFisher
3   Susquehanna
4   Springfield
5   Union
6   Ithaca
7   Hobart
8   Rochester
9   Hartwick
10   RPI
11   MMA
12   StLawrence
13   WPI
14   Utica

LL - 3+5+7+8+10+11+12+13 = 69/8 - 8.625
E8 - 1+2+4+6+9+14 = 36/6 = 6

Not that I even care because I don't feel numbers are needed, the E6 is slightly better than the LL top to bottom this year.  They are stronger at the top, relatively the same in the middle, and marginally weaker at the bottom with what i consider the worst team of the 14, however, I think Utica, WPI, St. Lawrence, MMA would have a sick Round Robin tourney.

Much more respectable assessment, Terd.  I, for one, appreciate the work you put into it.

Couple issues, though.  You're picking on my use of ".5s" -- but as I explained, I'm not using places as much as I am perceived relative strengths (using Alfred's "1" as the starting point).  Not all dropoffs between teams are equal, and that's what my point was in my list.  

My biggest issue with your list is where you're placing Hartwick.  Their only league win was vs. Utica.  Their four non-conference wins were against the likes of Norwich, Mt. Ida and that crew.  If you hate Utica, you can't like Hartwick much more.  RPI and MMA are definitely above that level based on quality of wins.  If Union had been at full strength Saturday, that game would've been ugly, in my honest opinion.  So, don't look at the 18-point margin too closely without looking at the surrounding circumstances (as another poster pointed out today).  

Beyond that, there is not too much difference in our relative positioning of these teams.  It's just me trying to show that there is more closeness between teams up top than there is as you jump "tiers" -- and that should be accounted for in the assessments.  

In my list, I'd equate every "position" to be about a 2.5-point point spread separation on a neutral field (thus, a .5 would be 1.25 points), since some people want to know how I'd set up point spreads based on my list.

I saw MMA, SLU, and Wick play this year...I thought MMA was the worst team of the three by a lot.  Maybe I saw them on a bad day...but you cannot give them too much credit for having one "miracle" win over a team that got beat by 59 points in the first round of the NCAA's.

And out of curiosity, who are RPI's quality wins over???

The point being, Terd put together a pretty good list...but these lists are all subjective.  Nice work Terd...keep on keeping on...

Not to get nutty here with the, "this team would beat that team ****" BUT this demands it. Yanks this is meant with no disrespect but Wick looked ****ing horrible on Saturday, HORRIBLE. Union was very very undermanned and Wick was not even on the same page, not even remotely close. The run defense was atrocious and undisciplined and the offense was not all that much better. dlip was really surprised at how weak Wick was. Honestly they looked like a team that could only beat NEFC/ECFC/ and Utica. MMA with their running O would run over Wick all day long. Honestly in dlip's mind (again dlip often roots for Wick against most E8 and non LL teams) Wick belongs one notch higher than Utica, one notch. dlip also feels WPI would most likely beat Wick head to head. Sorry Yanks dlip is not trying to be a dick but Wick would be a definate bottom dweller in the LL as well, definite.

[dlippiel]

By the way...with Dr. Rosen......'s win this weekend he is tied for 14th in the mother****in LLPPFFL. To most that is pitiful, deep down to dlip it is pitiful, but **** he'll take it after his piss poor draft. dlip feels he won't live that down until a possible LLPPFFL championship in future years.