FB: Liberty League

[bleedpurple]

Well, Susquehanna won the LL.  They are usually not very good.  I understand they  were improved this year, but it was obvious as the season went on that the LL was very down this year.  In a chance to show it was just parity in the league as opposed to be 'down', our rep went to the MAC champ and lost by 59. 

I understand people wanting to paint it a different color, but the results clearly speak for themselves. 

Just because your proctologist told you that last week doesn't mean it applies to all scenarios...

"Act like you've been there before...."

[dewcrew88]

I think UC could beat slu, wpi and maybe even mma

Holding you to the same standard I held Terd, DC, why do you think such a thing?  Only two teams went oh-fer in their respective conferences and Utica's non-conference schedule, with the exception of RPI, was as bad as Hartwick's.  For the same reasons I think Hartwick wasn't so hot this year, I have to be consistent and say Utica was colder based on the head-to-head loss and overall record issues.

I think Utica, basing it on the fact that I did see a few of these games this year, could be better than those teams --- aka, if those two teams matched up Utica could win.
Utica beat the non-conference teams it was supposed to, only lost by 3 on the road against RPI in a game that I watched which was EXTREMELY winnable, only lost by 3 at home against a pretty strong Ithaca team (yes I know they were down a bit in 2009, but they still finished 7-3 against good competition).
The only real nasty blowouts against them was the last game of the year against AU, and against Springfield, a game I think was 31-0 at the half or something. They were mostly competitive against SJF, only lost to HC by 6 (I think, doing this off the top of my head here), otherwise extremely competitive. Merchant Marine was better this year, but had the same problem as UC. They beat the LL champ, but Susq wasn't 100 percent.
WPI went winless in the LL, and SLU, while better, is also on the same plane as the Pioneers.
So long winded argument aside, and yes, I know it's a "my bad team is better than your bad team" argument -- I think Utica could be as high as 10 or 11 in that list, which, as my point now becomes, changes the numbers to say whether the E8 or LL is better.

[Frank Rossi]

Well, Susquehanna won the LL.  They are usually not very good.  I understand they  were improved this year, but it was obvious as the season went on that the LL was very down this year.  In a chance to show it was just parity in the league as opposed to be 'down', our rep went to the MAC champ and lost by 59. 

I understand people wanting to paint it a different color, but the results clearly speak for themselves. 

Just because your proctologist told you that last week doesn't mean it applies to all scenarios...

"Act like you've been there before...."

I've never been to an actual proctologist.  Thanks though.

[Doid23]

Wow, I'm actually hoping my computer crashes, this is pathetic. Arguing if Utica would beat MMA? I mean, WHO REALLY GIVES A CRAP??? (Obviously, many do...)

And put me down for a few bills on SJF over Scrotch. Thank god the ECAC Bowl games finally solved the burning question that's been on everyones mind all season: Is Union better than Hartwick? I had NO interest in seeing SJF vs. UColl, that would have sucked.

[bleedpurple]

Well, Susquehanna won the LL.  They are usually not very good.  I understand they  were improved this year, but it was obvious as the season went on that the LL was very down this year.  In a chance to show it was just parity in the league as opposed to be 'down', our rep went to the MAC champ and lost by 59. 

I understand people wanting to paint it a different color, but the results clearly speak for themselves. 

Just because your proctologist told you that last week doesn't mean it applies to all scenarios...

"Act like you've been there before...."

I've never been to an actual proctologist.  Thanks though.

your welcome.  . couldn't resist!

[SJFF82]

Please Frank...did anyone else take that out of my post?

Genius....I used your equation to come up with Fisher being a .5 favorite at home ag. Susq.  Care to defend the equation you came up with instead of answer my question with a completely different question and answer.

Thanks.

What's to defend?  If those are the numbers, those are the numbers.  You asked what I'd estimate a point spread to be based on my relative strengths, and I've explained it to you three times.  You're making zero sense on how you're posing this -- what would I have to defend?  The numbers are not out of question by any means.

[Edit:  Anytime you're ready with your list of 14...]

So Mr. Esq. ...  r you ready to lay the big bucks on Susq. plus the .5pts at Fisher?  Seems nobody else that has chimed in would remotely touch that bet.  Maybe many are wrong and Mr. Know It All himself is right...hmmm

Get back to me...thanks!

[Frank Rossi]

Please Frank...did anyone else take that out of my post?

Genius....I used your equation to come up with Fisher being a .5 favorite at home ag. Susq.  Care to defend the equation you came up with instead of answer my question with a completely different question and answer.

Thanks.

What's to defend?  If those are the numbers, those are the numbers.  You asked what I'd estimate a point spread to be based on my relative strengths, and I've explained it to you three times.  You're making zero sense on how you're posing this -- what would I have to defend?  The numbers are not out of question by any means.

[Edit:  Anytime you're ready with your list of 14...]

So Mr. Esq. ...  r you ready to lay the big bucks on Susq. plus the .5pts at Fisher?  Seems nobody else that has chimed in would remotely touch that bet.  Maybe many are wrong and Mr. Know It All himself is right...hmmm

Get back to me...thanks!

No, I wouldn't lay money at 0.5 points because that's my anticipated line.  You continue to prove how much you resemble this character:



He's waiting for your list of 14, too.

[SJFF82]

Please Frank...did anyone else take that out of my post?

Genius....I used your equation to come up with Fisher being a .5 favorite at home ag. Susq.  Care to defend the equation you came up with instead of answer my question with a completely different question and answer.

Thanks.

What's to defend?  If those are the numbers, those are the numbers.  You asked what I'd estimate a point spread to be based on my relative strengths, and I've explained it to you three times.  You're making zero sense on how you're posing this -- what would I have to defend?  The numbers are not out of question by any means.

[Edit:  Anytime you're ready with your list of 14...]

So Mr. Esq. ...  r you ready to lay the big bucks on Susq. plus the .5pts at Fisher?  Seems nobody else that has chimed in would remotely touch that bet.  Maybe many are wrong and Mr. Know It All himself is right...hmmm

Get back to me...thanks!

No, I wouldn't lay money at 0.5 points because that's my anticipated line.  You continue to prove how much you resemble this character:



He's waiting for your list of 14, too.

care to elaborate Mr. I dictate a mathematical equation for determining the line in a ficticious matchup, but when the line proves to be a clear reversible error, I back off it like a rat backs away from tainted cheese....?  

And to answer your second unsolicited question....Keep waiting, I much more enjoy making a mockery of your foolish math equations.  

You shoulda used the Law of Modus Tolens, or maybe the Pythagorean theory...they have Fisher at -18 at home and -13 on the road.

Its science...

BTW...is that a picture of you placing a $22 to win $20 bet ON Susq +.5 at Fisher?

[Frank Rossi]

YAWN...

[SJFF82]

YAWN...

...what I was doing in the second half of the beat down SJF put on Union last time we played....waiting to find out who our next opponent was.

[SJFF82]

All kiddin aside Frank...we break balls...I appreciate your opinion and analysis on here, just sometimes you make an overly objective claim that cannot be believed and you then refuse to back off it...

You really think Susq could hang with Fisher, home away or neutral site?

[Frank Rossi]

All kiddin aside Frank...we break balls...I appreciate your opinion and analysis on here, just sometimes you make an overly objective claim that cannot be believed and you then refuse to back off it...

You really think Susq could hang with Fisher, home away or neutral site?

Yes.  Susquehanna's weakness this year was falling behind by two scores or more because they lacked a deep throwing threat (barring a gamble by a defense in which Palazzi could still get the ball off downfield, like what happened once vs. Union in the second half).  The one real exception was the game vs. WPI, as they could stick to their base offense in the second quarter to chip away (and ended up tied at halftime, making their offensive gameplan stay in place for the remainder of the game).

Otherwise, Susquehanna has a run/pass mix that really is effective enough to do two things:  1) shorten the game; and 2) score.  The average number of plays per scoring drive for Susquehanna in general this season, I would guess, was around 9 (which is very high compared to other teams in the LL).  This isn't like a Springfield team scenario because, as you know well, Springfield can be very one-dimensional.  Late-season games tend to be problematic for Springfield historically because there is enough film to dissect the team's tendencies at that point.  That's why I hated to see Union play Springfield to open the season -- it's an offense that teaches your team nothing for the rest of the season and for which no real film study exists.

But I digress... I bring up Springfield because that isn't a game in which I would use comparisons for an SJF/SUS game.  I think SUS is much more similar to Alfred than people want to suggest.  Defense can be suspect at times for both, although it shows up when it needs to generally, and the offense is balanced enough to keep a team off guard.  I'd say that Paveletz is better than Hendrix, but I'd say Alfred's QB would be better than Palazzi, especially for the deep ball.  That said, I don't see a huge amount of separation between Alfred and Susquehanna from a pure talent perspective.

Alfred beat SJF at SJF by 3.  I would grant you that Susquehanna is a small step down from Alfred if I had to choose one over the other.  However, you placed the game at Susquehanna, which may nullify that difference from a sports-book point of view.  Thus, that's why I'm comfortable with the line being what my strength list/equation would suggest.

You asked, Ty... So, there it is.

[dewcrew88]

Let's spice up this mix:

Susquehanna at Fisher: Fisher wins by 10.

Fisher at Susquehanna: Fisher wins by less than a touchdown.

Susquehanna vs. Fisher, neutral field: Fisher wins by less than a touchdown.

[SJFF82]

Let's spice up this mix:

Susquehanna at Fisher: Fisher wins by 10.

Fisher at Susquehanna: Fisher wins by less than a touchdown.

Susquehanna vs. Fisher, neutral field: Fisher wins by less than a touchdown.

...well, that's like the 5th poster that has disagreed with Frank's line on the game...is it the right line if the bets all go the same way?  With this kinda action, the line has moved to at least Fisher -8 at home and -5 on the road. 

[Jonny Utah]

Let's spice up this mix:

Susquehanna at Fisher: Fisher wins by 10.

Fisher at Susquehanna: Fisher wins by less than a touchdown.

Susquehanna vs. Fisher, neutral field: Fisher wins by less than a touchdown.

...well, that's like the 5th poster that has disagreed with Frank's line on the game...is it the right line if the bets all go the same way?  With this kinda action, the line has moved to at least Fisher -8 at home and -5 on the road. 

The line would have to be SJF -10.