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[JQV]

Ty - You can't have it both ways.  You can't bemoan the bowl system as meaningless and then, at the same time, argue that Brian Kelly has some moral or professional obligation to stick around for what you think is a meaningless game.  That is an inconsistent argument.

Let's face it, bowl games are exhibition games.  Any coach moving on to a new gig should be more than free to ditch out on an exhibition game, even if it is the biggest exhibition game in the history of a team's particular program.

If you have ever been around major bowls (or even mid-major bowls like the Outback Bowl) you know they are more for the fans and for the events than they are for football. 

I, for one, think the bowl system is what makes college football great.  College Football has always been about rivalries.  It is fun to play a school you don't normally play, harass the **** EDIT (harass the DLIP) out of their fans, and win just for the sake of beating someone else, not for the sake of some greater trophy. 

[Yanks 99]

I have no problem with anyone changing jobs.  We all already know this...but D1 football is an amateur sport in name only.  Bowls (and D1 College Football in general) are set up to generate the most money...not for fairness, not for making anyone feel better about themselves.  Players leave early, coaches with good/great records are fired at will...so if a better opportunity, or one which suits the coach better, comes up...then they should absolutely be able to leave. 

That doesn't mean fans can't complain, or be mad...I know I would be if I was a fan of Cincinnati...but that is the system they work with.

[SaintsFAN]

I, for one, think the bowl system is what makes college football great.  College Football has always been about rivalries.  It is fun to play a school you don't normally play, harass the **** EDIT (harass the DLIP) out of their fans, and win just for the sake of beating someone else, not for the sake of some greater trophy.  

Speaking of which, JQV you are GD lucky that BK is gone from Cincy.... I was already thinking up a new posting name for you !!!!

I think Florida will win by 13.   UC hasn't played a team like Florida since VaTech last year and they aren't as good as the Florida Tebows are..

[Doid23]

...these piece of sh. coaches who probably storm into locker rooms on Saterdays with the "we are going to take on the world" attitude and then when the world is before them, they bail for another team.

I am so glad that I am white and slow and was only good enough to play WR for a d3 school. 

Screw you Brian Kelly....I hope the Golden Dome collapses on your Porsche when you arrive at 2 a days in August....

D3 Football....for the love of the game!!!

What, D3 coaches don't change jobs? Don't leave for a better program/ job/ career opportunity? Where did Brian Kelly come from? He should be "loyal" to Cincinatti, but not to Grand Valley or Central Michigan? Coaches aren't disloyal, just like employees who leave companies for better positions elsewhere aren't disloyal. Or else every coach, and every employee, would stay in the same job forever. And how "loyal" would Cincinatti be if he had been  2-9 this year, with a 6-29 record over the past 3 years?

And, yes, I feel bad for the kids, but they're all big boys, they understand this when they sign up, and if they don't, well, then they're just naive.

[JQV]

SF I am with you on this one.  Kelly's departure certainly is good for the Gators but, I still think it feels like a trap game.  A lot of these guys are going pro after this season and I am worried that they don't give a DLIP about beating Cincinatti.

[Jonny Utah]

Like everyone has alreayd pointed out, the system isn't set up for loyalty to take first place.  Coaches get fired in November or December and the Bowl games are a month later.  That means coaches are going to be hired inbetween, and the good coaches are probably going to be coaching in Bowl games with their old teams.

Blame the system Ty, not the coaches.

[SJFF82]

...these piece of sh. coaches who probably storm into locker rooms on Saterdays with the "we are going to take on the world" attitude and then when the world is before them, they bail for another team.

I am so glad that I am white and slow and was only good enough to play WR for a d3 school. 

Screw you Brian Kelly....I hope the Golden Dome collapses on your Porsche when you arrive at 2 a days in August....

D3 Football....for the love of the game!!!

What, D3 coaches don't change jobs? Don't leave for a better program/ job/ career opportunity? Where did Brian Kelly come from? He should be "loyal" to Cincinatti, but not to Grand Valley or Central Michigan? Coaches aren't disloyal, just like employees who leave companies for better positions elsewhere aren't disloyal. Or else every coach, and every employee, would stay in the same job forever. And how "loyal" would Cincinatti be if he had been  2-9 this year, with a 6-29 record over the past 3 years?

And, yes, I feel bad for the kids, but they're all big boys, they understand this when they sign up, and if they don't, well, then they're just naive.

I thought I made it clear that I only have a problem with him leaving the WAY he did.  Man, do you really think I dont know that people leave jobs.  But keep putting words in my mouth to then argue against me with, if that is what makes it fun on here.

[PBR...]

pbr says heck w/ it the coaches can leave freely and seek their dream job or greener pastures the players should be able to do the same w/o having to sit out a year!! free the players pbr says!! give the players free agency at the end of every season that would really liven things up...

[Jonny Utah]

...these piece of sh. coaches who probably storm into locker rooms on Saterdays with the "we are going to take on the world" attitude and then when the world is before them, they bail for another team.

I am so glad that I am white and slow and was only good enough to play WR for a d3 school. 

Screw you Brian Kelly....I hope the Golden Dome collapses on your Porsche when you arrive at 2 a days in August....

D3 Football....for the love of the game!!!

What, D3 coaches don't change jobs? Don't leave for a better program/ job/ career opportunity? Where did Brian Kelly come from? He should be "loyal" to Cincinatti, but not to Grand Valley or Central Michigan? Coaches aren't disloyal, just like employees who leave companies for better positions elsewhere aren't disloyal. Or else every coach, and every employee, would stay in the same job forever. And how "loyal" would Cincinatti be if he had been  2-9 this year, with a 6-29 record over the past 3 years?

And, yes, I feel bad for the kids, but they're all big boys, they understand this when they sign up, and if they don't, well, then they're just naive.

I thought I made it clear that I only have a problem with him leaving the WAY he did.  Man, do you really think I dont know that people leave jobs.  But keep putting words in my mouth to then argue against me with, if that is what makes it fun on here.

You did use the word 'loyalty' though.  That seemed to imply that he owed his old job something and should hav stayed.

[SJFF82]

Like everyone has alreayd pointed out, the system isn't set up for loyalty to take first place.  Coaches get fired in November or December and the Bowl games are a month later.  That means coaches are going to be hired inbetween, and the good coaches are probably going to be coaching in Bowl games with their old teams.

Blame the system Ty, not the coaches.

I did....in one of my original posts that started this conversation...but as usual, the conversation goes awry on here and people start arguing for the sake of arguing.

LAST TIME:

I believe in loyalty....that's all...College football d1 style is not about the game it is about the money....you have all made that clear which does not go against my original points....but rather reinforces them!

BK is responsible as well....there is no system to blame without the parts that make up the system.

I didnt start this conversation to blame anyone....it isnt about blame. It is about a microcosm of our entire society....Money....power....greed.  You all seem content with it and I am not....nor will i simply give in and 'blame the system'  I choose to practice my beliefs...I rarely watch D1 football, I am not part of the tv ratings.  I do not buy the gear.  

...ok gotta go....have a job interview in 15 mins...

[SJFF82]

...these piece of sh. coaches who probably storm into locker rooms on Saterdays with the "we are going to take on the world" attitude and then when the world is before them, they bail for another team.

I am so glad that I am white and slow and was only good enough to play WR for a d3 school. 

Screw you Brian Kelly....I hope the Golden Dome collapses on your Porsche when you arrive at 2 a days in August....

D3 Football....for the love of the game!!!

What, D3 coaches don't change jobs? Don't leave for a better program/ job/ career opportunity? Where did Brian Kelly come from? He should be "loyal" to Cincinatti, but not to Grand Valley or Central Michigan? Coaches aren't disloyal, just like employees who leave companies for better positions elsewhere aren't disloyal. Or else every coach, and every employee, would stay in the same job forever. And how "loyal" would Cincinatti be if he had been  2-9 this year, with a 6-29 record over the past 3 years?

And, yes, I feel bad for the kids, but they're all big boys, they understand this when they sign up, and if they don't, well, then they're just naive.

I thought I made it clear that I only have a problem with him leaving the WAY he did.  Man, do you really think I dont know that people leave jobs.  But keep putting words in my mouth to then argue against me with, if that is what makes it fun on here.

You did use the word 'loyalty' though.  That seemed to imply that he owed his old job something and should hav stayed.

...yeah....to the end of the season....that is the RIGHT thing to do.

[Jonny Utah]

Ty go look at your first post on the subject.  You basically call out coaches, d1 football, the system, loyalty and 100 other things but when someone calls you out on one of them, you want to jump to one of your other points to show you want to blame one or the other.

The right thing to do?

[SJFF82]

Ty - You can't have it both ways.  You can't bemoan the bowl system as meaningless and then, at the same time, argue that Brian Kelly has some moral or professional obligation to stick around for what you think is a meaningless game.  That is an inconsistent argument.

Let's face it, bowl games are exhibition games.  Any coach moving on to a new gig should be more than free to ditch out on an exhibition game, even if it is the biggest exhibition game in the history of a team's particular program.

If you have ever been around major bowls (or even mid-major bowls like the Outback Bowl) you know they are more for the fans and for the events than they are for football. 

I, for one, think the bowl system is what makes college football great.  College Football has always been about rivalries.  It is fun to play a school you don't normally play, harass the **** EDIT (harass the DLIP) out of their fans, and win just for the sake of beating someone else, not for the sake of some greater trophy. 

I did state these 2 things, but they are not connected and do not relate to eachother the way you tie them up.  Yes the Bowl system is meaningless.  There should be a play-off.  And yes BK should coach the last game of the season, which happens to be a bowl game, because that is what he signed up for.  It may not be the system that I want, but it is the game that is to be played.  He should be coaching it.  

[SJFF82]

Ty go look at your first post on the subject.  You basically call out coaches, d1 football, the system, loyalty and 100 other things but when someone calls you out on one of them, you want to jump to one of your other points to show you want to blame one or the other.

The right thing to do?

You told me to "blame the system Ty"  Apparently you just went back to my original post and CONFIRMED that I did....what is the issue now???

[Jonny Utah]

Ty go look at your first post on the subject.  You basically call out coaches, d1 football, the system, loyalty and 100 other things but when someone calls you out on one of them, you want to jump to one of your other points to show you want to blame one or the other.

The right thing to do?

You told me to "blame the system Ty"  Apparently you just went back to my original post and CONFIRMED that I did....what is the issue now???

The issue is that you blamed everything which I don't think is fair.  Coaches have no choice but to accept jobs during certain parts of the year.