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[SaintsFAN]

Why?  Why do they have no choice?  If BK was their guy, ND would certainly wait a few lousy weeks for  formal and public comittment from him.  The recruiting line is BS.  Recruiting early is a strategy and a luxury not an excuse to leave your former team on the verge of the season finale.  Besides, what 17-18 yr old HS allstar is going to committ to Texas or Fla. beacuse Brian Kelly showed up 2 weeks later in the recruiting process?  Many kids dream of going to ND to play football...will they not wait 2 more weeks for their coach to show up in their living room?

No.  Snakes in the grass like Lane Kiffin will use that to put doubts in the kids heads... having no coach would be worse than keeping Chuck Weis. 

[Jonny Utah]

Why?  Why do they have no choice?  If BK was their guy, ND would certainly wait a few lousy weeks for  formal and public comittment from him.  The recruiting line is BS.  Recruiting early is a strategy and a luxury not an excuse to leave your former team on the verge of the season finale.  Besides, what 17-18 yr old HS allstar is going to committ to Texas or Fla. beacuse Brian Kelly showed up 2 weeks later in the recruiting process?  Many kids dream of going to ND to play football...will they not wait 2 more weeks for their coach to show up in their living room?

No.  Snakes in the grass like Lane Kiffin will use that to put doubts in the kids heads... having no coach would be worse than keeping Chuck Weis.  

d1 football is a full time, year round gig.  You don't wait 2 weeks for anything.  And Im sure it would be great for the Cinci program to have 2 weeks of practice knowing that the coach is leaving right after the game.  Thats wouldnt be fair to Cinci either.


And they have no choice because ND would fill the dam job!  So Kelly can wait after the bowl game for job openings that aren't there?

[SJFF82]

Man...you guys will come up with any reason in the world to defend what is wrong with major college athletics...I am surprised nobody else agrees with me on this.

[SaintsFAN]

And they have no choice because ND would fill the dam job!  So Kelly can wait after the bowl game for job openings that aren't there?

Sounds like the way the NFL used to do it.  The teams that played in the AFC/NFC Title games would not loose their assistants because they couldn't interview during the season. 

[PBR...]

part of the problem lies within the ncaa...the quiet/dead period starts in just over 1 week...so if coaches hold off until after bowl season they have basically 2 weeks to try and either keep current verbals or convince kids to come to them before LOI day. it puts anyone waiting that long in a very tough spot to build a roster. plus the kids are nervous because your not allowed to have any contact so their minds are wandering if the new coach is going to pull their scholie and what kind of system is going to be put in etc.. etc.. the ncaa would have to either change the laws of the quiet/dead period or move the dates around if they wanted to stop all this and allow coaches to finish coaching a season w/o fear of missing out on their dream job....

[Yanks 99]

Wow...the LB from Union is a Gagliardi Finalist...yet only makes 2nd Team All-Region???  That makes little sense...

[Jonny Utah]

Wow...the LB from Union is a Gagliardi Finalist...yet only makes 2nd Team All-Region???  That makes little sense...

Must be a good student as well.

[Doid23]

Why?  Why do they have no choice?  If BK was their guy, ND would certainly wait a few lousy weeks for  formal and public comittment from him.  

So, if BK did that, and it came out, then it he would be a "fraud" for not telling everyone the truth, since he would have to answer for a month (not 2 weeks) questions about if he was staying or not, and would have to lie or say no comment. Lie to players, the college, recruits, etc. And ND wouldn't wait, because then they might lose him to another program looking for a coach.

I agree, the system is flawed, very similar to pro teams coaches in the playoffs, but to agree to a deal and hold of formal and public committment isn't the answer either. Maybe the NCAA rules that no coaching hires can occur between the end of the regular season and the last bowl game?

[Doid23]

Wow...the LB from Union is a Gagliardi Finalist...yet only makes 2nd Team All-Region???  That makes little sense...

That surprised me as well, even with the good student good citizen component.

[Yanks 99]

Wow...the LB from Union is a Gagliardi Finalist...yet only makes 2nd Team All-Region???  That makes little sense...

Must be a good student as well.

That kind of waters down the Gagliardi in my opinion...they were on a pretty good stretch where they were naming the "true" POY/Most Outstanding Player (whatever you want to call it)...now, it looks like it is becoming a "Good Player, Good Student, Good Guy" award.  I liked it better when it was simply the D3 version of the Heisman...

[SaintsFAN]

Why?  Why do they have no choice?  If BK was their guy, ND would certainly wait a few lousy weeks for  formal and public comittment from him.  

So, if BK did that, and it came out, then it he would be a "fraud" for not telling everyone the truth, since he would have to answer for a month (not 2 weeks) questions about if he was staying or not, and would have to lie or say no comment. Lie to players, the college, recruits, etc. And ND wouldn't wait, because then they might lose him to another program looking for a coach.

I agree, the system is flawed, very similar to pro teams coaches in the playoffs, but to agree to a deal and hold of formal and public committment isn't the answer either. Maybe the NCAA rules that no coaching hires can occur between the end of the regular season and the last bowl game?

Well said... SF is about to light the lamp for the trip to Alliance, OH


Is anyone on here planning to be in Salem VA next weekend?  We could hit some bars... gro??  You aren't too terribly far from there... we could have a LLPP Field Trip to the Mountains!

[SJFF82]

Ty still hasn't answered the "how much can you bench question"....  


I'm 32 also, but I've had 2 shoulder surgeries in the past 18 months.   I got my previous job because I could bench 300 lbs (isn't that how they qualify sales people?)

OK, I'll humor ya...after my playing days, when I was 23 (12.5yrs ago) and my cousin was still playing football at Brockport...we used to lift together at SJF (my alma mater of course).  I lifted religiously then, more so than when I played.  I was working my way up to my goal of benching 315...3 plates on each side for those scoring at home.   I was doing heavy chest day, at the end of my 'pyramid' routine which meant 5 sets of 3-5 at 90% of your prior max.  After knocking out 275 for 3 on my last set, I put the 315 on...it was a grand moment in 82's life...just 5 short years earlier, at 'strength-testing day' Freshman year...82's elbows collapsed under the weight of 185 and the coaches (Scachetti who is still there was one of the spotters) were whispering under their breath "that kid needs work".

After stacking the bar...i went into the hallway, which was my normal routine, paced around, and etched "315" into the impressionable foam board covering that protected the fire door at the back of the field house at the time.  

I went back in, sat down, uttered some expletives about Brockport (went 0-7 against them JV and varsity combined in my career) and proceeded to have my elbows collapse under the weight of 315.  I was demoralized...to this day I have never bench pressed again other than casually.

....and now you still dont know how much TY/82 can bench...today...maybe 175...by 40, I am going to be HUGE!!!

[PBR...]

from the guru on the front page...

First off, just as a reminder: The Gagliardi Trophy is not the Division III equivalent of the Heisman.

The award doesn't always go to the best player in Division III. The mission of the award is different than the Heisman's, or, at least, the end results are. The instructions to voters say it all: "The winner of the award should exhibit excellence in three areas: football, academics and service/leadership on campus and/or in his community."

It goes on to give the most salient point, one which I think should be emphasized. "First and foremost, however, it is a football award; you should consider the candidate's scholastic and extra-curricular records to help you break a tie."

[lewdogg11]

Why?  Why do they have no choice?  If BK was their guy, ND would certainly wait a few lousy weeks for  formal and public comittment from him.  

So, if BK did that, and it came out, then it he would be a "fraud" for not telling everyone the truth, since he would have to answer for a month (not 2 weeks) questions about if he was staying or not, and would have to lie or say no comment. Lie to players, the college, recruits, etc. And ND wouldn't wait, because then they might lose him to another program looking for a coach.

I agree, the system is flawed, very similar to pro teams coaches in the playoffs, but to agree to a deal and hold of formal and public committment isn't the answer either. Maybe the NCAA rules that no coaching hires can occur between the end of the regular season and the last bowl game?

Well said... SF is about to light the lamp for the trip to Alliance, OH


Is anyone on here planning to be in Salem VA next weekend?  We could hit some bars... gro??  You aren't too terribly far from there... we could have a LLPP Field Trip to the Mountains!

If Gro goes and picks up the hotel bill, i'm in.

[lewdogg11]

And i'm serious Gro.