FB: Liberty League

[PBR...]

Why?  Why do they have no choice?  If BK was their guy, ND would certainly wait a few lousy weeks for  formal and public comittment from him.  

So, if BK did that, and it came out, then it he would be a "fraud" for not telling everyone the truth, since he would have to answer for a month (not 2 weeks) questions about if he was staying or not, and would have to lie or say no comment. Lie to players, the college, recruits, etc. And ND wouldn't wait, because then they might lose him to another program looking for a coach.

I agree, the system is flawed, very similar to pro teams coaches in the playoffs, but to agree to a deal and hold of formal and public committment isn't the answer either. Maybe the NCAA rules that no coaching hires can occur between the end of the regular season and the last bowl game?

Well said... SF is about to light the lamp for the trip to Alliance, OH


Is anyone on here planning to be in Salem VA next weekend?  We could hit some bars... gro??  You aren't too terribly far from there... we could have a LLPP Field Trip to the Mountains!

If Gro goes and picks up the hotel bill, i'm in.

chances of that?

[lewdogg11]

Why?  Why do they have no choice?  If BK was their guy, ND would certainly wait a few lousy weeks for  formal and public comittment from him.  

So, if BK did that, and it came out, then it he would be a "fraud" for not telling everyone the truth, since he would have to answer for a month (not 2 weeks) questions about if he was staying or not, and would have to lie or say no comment. Lie to players, the college, recruits, etc. And ND wouldn't wait, because then they might lose him to another program looking for a coach.

I agree, the system is flawed, very similar to pro teams coaches in the playoffs, but to agree to a deal and hold of formal and public committment isn't the answer either. Maybe the NCAA rules that no coaching hires can occur between the end of the regular season and the last bowl game?

Well said... SF is about to light the lamp for the trip to Alliance, OH


Is anyone on here planning to be in Salem VA next weekend?  We could hit some bars... gro??  You aren't too terribly far from there... we could have a LLPP Field Trip to the Mountains!

If Gro goes and picks up the hotel bill, i'm in.

chances of that?

Gro is loaded.  I would say there's a decent chance.  Plus rooms are like $55 out there aren't they?

[SaintsFAN]

Ty still hasn't answered the "how much can you bench question"....  


I'm 32 also, but I've had 2 shoulder surgeries in the past 18 months.   I got my previous job because I could bench 300 lbs (isn't that how they qualify sales people?)

....and now you still dont know how much TY/82 can bench...today...maybe 175...by 40, I am going to be HUGE!!!

haha... ok, +K

[SaintsFAN]

Why?  Why do they have no choice?  If BK was their guy, ND would certainly wait a few lousy weeks for  formal and public comittment from him.  

So, if BK did that, and it came out, then it he would be a "fraud" for not telling everyone the truth, since he would have to answer for a month (not 2 weeks) questions about if he was staying or not, and would have to lie or say no comment. Lie to players, the college, recruits, etc. And ND wouldn't wait, because then they might lose him to another program looking for a coach.

I agree, the system is flawed, very similar to pro teams coaches in the playoffs, but to agree to a deal and hold of formal and public committment isn't the answer either. Maybe the NCAA rules that no coaching hires can occur between the end of the regular season and the last bowl game?

Well said... SF is about to light the lamp for the trip to Alliance, OH


Is anyone on here planning to be in Salem VA next weekend?  We could hit some bars... gro??  You aren't too terribly far from there... we could have a LLPP Field Trip to the Mountains!

If Gro goes and picks up the hotel bill, i'm in.

chances of that?

Gro is loaded.  I would say there's a decent chance.  Plus rooms are like $55 out there aren't they?

Plus SF plans on winning the contest on the Front Page.  If that happens, we'll be the three drunken fools who won't leave any of the events..

[Yanks 99]

from the guru on the front page...

First off, just as a reminder: The Gagliardi Trophy is not the Division III equivalent of the Heisman.

The award doesn’t always go to the best player in Division III. The mission of the award is different than the Heisman’s, or, at least, the end results are. The instructions to voters say it all: “The winner of the award should exhibit excellence in three areas: football, academics and service/leadership on campus and/or in his community.”

It goes on to give the most salient point, one which I think should be emphasized. “First and foremost, however, it is a football award; you should consider the candidate’s scholastic and extra-curricular records to help you break a tie.”

I understand it doesn't have to...but it is a football award first.  Of course you have to take some academics and service into consideration, but that should only be used to break a tie between the best of the best...if you overuse service and leadership, you are going to have a D3 Tim Tebow that happens to be a punter.  However, when a finalist for the award isn't even 1st Team All-Region...something is going on.  This is two years in a row now the Gagliardi has kind of gone in a strange direction...I mean, you have to ask yourself, who is getting it right...the Gagliardi Award or the Melberger Award?  While it was very late...the 2008 Melberger Award winner was Nate Kmic.  Anyone out there really think that he wasn't the "true" player of the year?  Now, a Gagliardi Finalist this year is only 2nd Team All-Region?

[Frank Rossi]

Why?  Why do they have no choice?  If BK was their guy, ND would certainly wait a few lousy weeks for  formal and public comittment from him.  

So, if BK did that, and it came out, then it he would be a "fraud" for not telling everyone the truth, since he would have to answer for a month (not 2 weeks) questions about if he was staying or not, and would have to lie or say no comment. Lie to players, the college, recruits, etc. And ND wouldn't wait, because then they might lose him to another program looking for a coach.

I agree, the system is flawed, very similar to pro teams coaches in the playoffs, but to agree to a deal and hold of formal and public committment isn't the answer either. Maybe the NCAA rules that no coaching hires can occur between the end of the regular season and the last bowl game?

Well said... SF is about to light the lamp for the trip to Alliance, OH


Is anyone on here planning to be in Salem VA next weekend?  We could hit some bars... gro??  You aren't too terribly far from there... we could have a LLPP Field Trip to the Mountains!

See you there, SF... AF... Whoever the hell you are

[SaintsFAN]

Mileage to Salem (I have a mileage calculator because of the nature of my business):

gro:  360 miles
LD:   311 miles
pbr:  376 miles
SF:   366 miles

[Frank Rossi]

from the guru on the front page...

First off, just as a reminder: The Gagliardi Trophy is not the Division III equivalent of the Heisman.

The award doesn't always go to the best player in Division III. The mission of the award is different than the Heisman's, or, at least, the end results are. The instructions to voters say it all: "The winner of the award should exhibit excellence in three areas: football, academics and service/leadership on campus and/or in his community."

It goes on to give the most salient point, one which I think should be emphasized. "First and foremost, however, it is a football award; you should consider the candidate's scholastic and extra-curricular records to help you break a tie."

I understand it doesn't have to...but it is a football award first.  Of course you have to take some academics and service into consideration, but that should only be used to break a tie between the best of the best...if you overuse service and leadership, you are going to have a D3 Tim Tebow that happens to be a punter.  However, when a finalist for the award isn't even 1st Team All-Region...something is going on.  This is two years in a row now the Gagliardi has kind of gone in a strange direction...I mean, you have to ask yourself, who is getting it right...the Gagliardi Award or the Melberger Award?  While it was very late...the 2008 Melberger Award winner was Nate Kmic.  Anyone out there really think that he wasn't the "true" player of the year?  Now, a Gagliardi Finalist this year is only 2nd Team All-Region?

Is this where the "Boltus was shafted" arguments will begin now based on his omission from the National QB of the Year list on the site in 2008

[Yanks 99]

from the guru on the front page...

First off, just as a reminder: The Gagliardi Trophy is not the Division III equivalent of the Heisman.

The award doesn't always go to the best player in Division III. The mission of the award is different than the Heisman's, or, at least, the end results are. The instructions to voters say it all: "The winner of the award should exhibit excellence in three areas: football, academics and service/leadership on campus and/or in his community."

It goes on to give the most salient point, one which I think should be emphasized. "First and foremost, however, it is a football award; you should consider the candidate's scholastic and extra-curricular records to help you break a tie."

I understand it doesn't have to...but it is a football award first.  Of course you have to take some academics and service into consideration, but that should only be used to break a tie between the best of the best...if you overuse service and leadership, you are going to have a D3 Tim Tebow that happens to be a punter.  However, when a finalist for the award isn't even 1st Team All-Region...something is going on.  This is two years in a row now the Gagliardi has kind of gone in a strange direction...I mean, you have to ask yourself, who is getting it right...the Gagliardi Award or the Melberger Award?  While it was very late...the 2008 Melberger Award winner was Nate Kmic.  Anyone out there really think that he wasn't the "true" player of the year?  Now, a Gagliardi Finalist this year is only 2nd Team All-Region?

Is this where the "Boltus was shafted" arguments will begin now based on his omission from the National QB of the Year list on the site in 2008

No...why would it be?  What does Boltus have to do with this year?  I am just asking...who is getting it right? 

[PBR...]

Why?  Why do they have no choice?  If BK was their guy, ND would certainly wait a few lousy weeks for  formal and public comittment from him.  

So, if BK did that, and it came out, then it he would be a "fraud" for not telling everyone the truth, since he would have to answer for a month (not 2 weeks) questions about if he was staying or not, and would have to lie or say no comment. Lie to players, the college, recruits, etc. And ND wouldn't wait, because then they might lose him to another program looking for a coach.

I agree, the system is flawed, very similar to pro teams coaches in the playoffs, but to agree to a deal and hold of formal and public committment isn't the answer either. Maybe the NCAA rules that no coaching hires can occur between the end of the regular season and the last bowl game?

Well said... SF is about to light the lamp for the trip to Alliance, OH


Is anyone on here planning to be in Salem VA next weekend?  We could hit some bars... gro??  You aren't too terribly far from there... we could have a LLPP Field Trip to the Mountains!

If Gro goes and picks up the hotel bill, i'm in.

chances of that?

Gro is loaded.  I would say there's a decent chance.  Plus rooms are like $55 out there aren't they?

just tell them your w/ the guru and are part of the d3 posse and the rooms are free...

[PBR...]

btw the lamp is lit....

[Doid23]

Heisman prediction (which is how I would vote, given these 5 to chose from)

1) Ingram
2) Suh (jumped Suh over Gerhart and McCoy after last weeks performance)
3) Gerhart
4) McCoy
5) Tebow

[pumkinattack]

I'm always interested in the D3 awards.  Not trying to pick any fights, but I really thought Hager should've been defensive player of the year (the only mitigating factor was having a couple of great players around him) and that Strom was deserving of making one of the teams in '07. 

I also agree with Doid, although I think Suh and Gerhart are basically tied.  BTW, anyone notice that Gerhart talks like he had a stroke out of the side of his mouth? 

[theoriginalupstate]

I'm always interested in the D3 awards.  Not trying to pick any fights, but I really thought Hager should've been defensive player of the year (the only mitigating factor was having a couple of great players around him) and that Strom was deserving of making one of the teams in '07. 

I also agree with Doid, although I think Suh and Gerhart are basically tied.  BTW, anyone notice that Gerhart talks like he had a stroke out of the side of his mouth? 

That will happen with the way he runs.  I'll be pissed if McCoy wins it though.   

[SaintsFAN]

BTW, anyone notice that Gerhart talks like he had a stroke out of the side of his mouth?  

SF was very jealous that Gerhart got to spend a whole day with ESPN's Jenn Brown... SF would bet money that she's a real Wildcat.


PS thank you for hitting me twice, sniper ... you're a douche