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[dlippiel]

Once again, we couldn't think this ish up if we tried, or at least, no one would believe it...

Brad Ferro, Suspended Gym Teacher Who Punched Snooki, Also a Cage Fighter

Brad Ferro was arrested, charged with assault, fined $500 and ordered by a judge to take anger management classes after he punched Jersey Shore star Snooki Polizzi at a bar in August. So you have to wonder what his anger management counselor has to say about his participation in cage fighting.


Brad Ferro is in the red. He's about to be knocked out. (From TMZ)
In a video dredged up by TMZ , Ferro can be seen entering the ring in a Mixed Martial Arts match against Spencer Cook last January. Brad grapples briefly with the other fighter before being dealt a devastating blow straight to the dome that knocks him out. Brad hits the mat and the ref quickly calls the fight.

In case you haven't seen the other video that's given Brad instant infamy, he's in a bar where the cast of Jersey Shore can be seen drinking when he punches Nicole "Snooki" Polizzi in the face. Snooki drops to the floor and her friends help her out.

Where do these mother****ers come from? Oh yeah it tells us....****ing SUNY Cortland 

[Yanks 99]

We have a winner -- according to the front page, Offensive Lineman Blaine Westemeyer (Augustana) has won the Gagliardi Trophy.  Congratulations to him -- sounds like a definite deserving winner from everything I've read.

Obviously, I was pulling for John Peters (Union) to win the award, but I'm glad we have our first lineman recipient of the award -- and glad that it stayed in the hands of a senior (since the criteria for the award would suggest that to be the probable scenario since seniors generally have more community service and academic aspects on their resumes than underclassmen).  I look forward to meeting Blaine in Salem at the ceremony Thursday night.

Yet another thing to prefer D3 over "upper division" college football.  IMO Suh was clearly the best player in the nation (and will likely be the #1 player selected in the NFL draft) but he gets passed over by a RB for Heisman. 

TGP realizes that the GA is different from the HT but just the fact that a) an OL was nominated and b) won the GA shows a more holistic view over the BCS level.

You realize Yanks is about to spout off about what a crappy award it is, etc., right?

I never said it was a crappy award.  Unlike last year...can anyone tell me that someone is MORE deserving then Westemeyer???  From what I have heard, he completely deserves it.  And a BIG TIME congrats to him.  Lineman deserve way more credit then they get.

My whole point was I think the Gagliardi should be treated more like the Heisman...and simply give the award to the best player in the country.  If you start overdoing service/grades and such, you are going to end up with a D3 version of Tim Tebow...who will just happen to be a place kicker or punter on a top 25 team.  Use service/GPA to break a tie between the best of the best...not as the reason to nominate someone.

I just think it makes little sense to nominate finalists for what is generally perceived as the POY award that are not even 1st Team All-Region.  This year, the 10 finalists had 6 x 1st Team All-Region players, 3 x 2nd Team All-Region Players, and 1 x 3rd Team-All Region Player.  Sorry...if you are 3rd Team All-Region...how are you up for a National Player of the Year Award?

[dlippiel]

Once again, we couldn't think this ish up if we tried, or at least, no one would believe it...

Brad Ferro, Suspended Gym Teacher Who Punched Snooki, Also a Cage Fighter

Brad Ferro was arrested, charged with assault, fined $500 and ordered by a judge to take anger management classes after he punched Jersey Shore star Snooki Polizzi at a bar in August. So you have to wonder what his anger management counselor has to say about his participation in cage fighting.


Brad Ferro is in the red. He's about to be knocked out. (From TMZ)
In a video dredged up by TMZ , Ferro can be seen entering the ring in a Mixed Martial Arts match against Spencer Cook last January. Brad grapples briefly with the other fighter before being dealt a devastating blow straight to the dome that knocks him out. Brad hits the mat and the ref quickly calls the fight.

In case you haven't seen the other video that's given Brad instant infamy, he's in a bar where the cast of Jersey Shore can be seen drinking when he punches Nicole "Snooki" Polizzi in the face. Snooki drops to the floor and her friends help her out.

you beat me to it...

+k for the ****ing great name change! Now no one would even think of confusing you with being a SLU fan now SF  

[Pat Coleman]

My whole point was I think the Gagliardi should be treated more like the Heisman...and simply give the award to the best player in the country. 

I think the people who conceived of the Gagliardi Trophy should be the ones who decide what the trophy is.

I just think it makes little sense to nominate finalists for what is generally perceived as the POY award that are not even 1st Team All-Region. 

The problem here is your perception, not the award.

Division III football lacks a credible national football-only award, we know this. But then again, isn't the entire philosophy of Division III the philosophy of the well-rounded student-athlete?

[Yanks 99]

My whole point was I think the Gagliardi should be treated more like the Heisman...and simply give the award to the best player in the country. 

I think the people who conceived of the Gagliardi Trophy should be the ones who decide what the trophy is.

I just think it makes little sense to nominate finalists for what is generally perceived as the POY award that are not even 1st Team All-Region. 

The problem here is your perception, not the award.

Division III football lacks a credible national football-only award, we know this. But then again, isn't the entire philosophy of Division III the philosophy of the well-rounded student-athlete?

The Gagliardi can do whatever it wants...I don't have a problem with that.  I can't have an opinion on the matter...on a discussion board?  All I said was "I think" it should be more like the Heisman...obviously, the folks on the Gagliardi committee (like you) get to decide.

And the committee can name the most well rounded student athlete if it wants...but like I said, if you focus too much on service/GPA and don't have the best of the best up for the award...the award runs the risk of becoming irrelevant...and I don't want to see that happen.

[Frank Rossi]

On top of that, what's to say the D3 All-Region teams are the end-all, be-all of selecting the best?  Look at the Oscars -- Every year, people look at the nominees for Film of the Year and scratch their heads, including the all-knowing pundits.  The list isn't a universal representation of the feelings of movie fans and critics.  If they had the equivalent of regional teams for the Oscars, then the same scenario would be created.  Does this lessen the value of the Oscars?  Does it make the Oscars irrelevant?  Does it make the winners lesser people because of the criteria and processes used to determine the winners?

The All-Region teams are not announced until after the final 10 finalists are determned -- so, this scenario would not be resolved simply by changing the methodology or criteria.  Differing opinions exist about players' capabilities, Yanks, especially when there are about 16,000 players in the pool with varying levels of exposure.

[Yanks 99]

On top of that, what's to say the D3 All-Region teams are the end-all, be-all of selecting the best?  Look at the Oscars -- Every year, people look at the nominees for Film of the Year and scratch their heads, including the all-knowing pundits.  The list isn't a universal representation of the feelings of movie fans and critics.  If they had the equivalent of regional teams for the Oscars, then the same scenario would be created.  Does this lessen the value of the Oscars?  Does it make the Oscars irrelevant?  Does it make the winners lesser people because of the criteria and processes used to determine the winners?

The All-Region teams are not announced until after the final 10 finalists are determned -- so, this scenario would not be resolved simply by changing the methodology or criteria.  Differing opinions exist about players' capabilities, Yanks, especially when there are about 16,000 players in the pool with varying levels of exposure.

I just don't think it has to be that difficult...find the best 6-10 players for their ability on the field...nominate them for the award, and let the chips fall where they may (taking into account service/GPA once the field is narrowed down).  Obviously...I don't have a say, just my opinion.

I don't want to see the Gagliardi become just a "nice award", and I think you run the risk of that happening if you water down the nominees.  I have nothing against the QB from Mississippi College...but can you imagine how it would look if he won the Gagliardi Award, which most circles believe (and incorrectly) is the National Player of the Year Award...and then only takes home 3rd Team All Region honors?

[Frank Rossi]

On top of that, what's to say the D3 All-Region teams are the end-all, be-all of selecting the best?  Look at the Oscars -- Every year, people look at the nominees for Film of the Year and scratch their heads, including the all-knowing pundits.  The list isn't a universal representation of the feelings of movie fans and critics.  If they had the equivalent of regional teams for the Oscars, then the same scenario would be created.  Does this lessen the value of the Oscars?  Does it make the Oscars irrelevant?  Does it make the winners lesser people because of the criteria and processes used to determine the winners?

The All-Region teams are not announced until after the final 10 finalists are determned -- so, this scenario would not be resolved simply by changing the methodology or criteria.  Differing opinions exist about players' capabilities, Yanks, especially when there are about 16,000 players in the pool with varying levels of exposure.

I just don't think it has to be that difficult...find the best 6-10 players for their ability on the field...nominate them for the award, and let the chips fall where they may (taking into account service/GPA once the field is narrowed down).  Obviously...I don't have a say, just my opinion.

I don't want to see the Gagliardi become just a "nice award", and I think you run the risk of that happening if you water down the nominees.  I have nothing against the QB from Mississippi College...but can you imagine how it would look if he won the Gagliardi Award, which most circles believe (and incorrectly) is the National Player of the Year Award...and then only takes home 3rd Team All Region honors?

But you're ignoring my point -- if the 10 finalists are chosen before the regional teams are released, then how are you guaranteeing that the Gagliardi list wouldn't still suffer from the same "deficiency" you're claiming exists right now, REGARDLESS OF CRITERIA USED to pick the winner?  The situation you keep citing is not simply solved by making it a "player of the year" award, is it?

[TheGrove]

Any chance I can convince you fine LLPP folks to vote for Steve Briggs??? 

http://www.coachoftheyear.com/Coaches-Finalists-Profile2009.aspx?coachID=125#meteor=SSNyiPrg6zb

[Yanks 99]

On top of that, what's to say the D3 All-Region teams are the end-all, be-all of selecting the best?  Look at the Oscars -- Every year, people look at the nominees for Film of the Year and scratch their heads, including the all-knowing pundits.  The list isn't a universal representation of the feelings of movie fans and critics.  If they had the equivalent of regional teams for the Oscars, then the same scenario would be created.  Does this lessen the value of the Oscars?  Does it make the Oscars irrelevant?  Does it make the winners lesser people because of the criteria and processes used to determine the winners?

The All-Region teams are not announced until after the final 10 finalists are determned -- so, this scenario would not be resolved simply by changing the methodology or criteria.  Differing opinions exist about players' capabilities, Yanks, especially when there are about 16,000 players in the pool with varying levels of exposure.

I just don't think it has to be that difficult...find the best 6-10 players for their ability on the field...nominate them for the award, and let the chips fall where they may (taking into account service/GPA once the field is narrowed down).  Obviously...I don't have a say, just my opinion.

I don't want to see the Gagliardi become just a "nice award", and I think you run the risk of that happening if you water down the nominees.  I have nothing against the QB from Mississippi College...but can you imagine how it would look if he won the Gagliardi Award, which most circles believe (and incorrectly) is the National Player of the Year Award...and then only takes home 3rd Team All Region honors?

But you're ignoring my point -- if the 10 finalists are chosen before the regional teams are released, then how are you guaranteeing that the Gagliardi list wouldn't still suffer from the same "deficiency" you're claiming exists right now, REGARDLESS OF CRITERIA USED to pick the winner?  The situation you keep citing is not simply solved by making it a "player of the year" award, is it?

Sooo...don't try to get it right, because it might be too difficult?  Maybe name the All-Region players a week or two sooner, to give the Gagliardi committe a chance to take a look at all of the information.  Just a suggestion.  Just my opinion Frank...you aren't going to change my mind, and I am not going to change yours.  

[Frank Rossi]

Any chance I can convince you fine LLPP folks to vote for Steve Briggs??? 

http://www.coachoftheyear.com/Coaches-Finalists-Profile2009.aspx?coachID=125#meteor=SSNyiPrg6zb

Briggs wasn't the top choice in the All-East Region team, TG!  OBVIOUSLY, he's undeserving!!!!  What an embarrassment to Division III Football if he were to win?!?!?!

[End Sarcasm Here]

Already voted for him -- appreciated the work he's done with Susquehanna and will miss his personality in the LL, no doubt.  Good luck to him.

[TheGrove]

Any chance I can convince you fine LLPP folks to vote for Steve Briggs??? 

http://www.coachoftheyear.com/Coaches-Finalists-Profile2009.aspx?coachID=125#meteor=SSNyiPrg6zb

Briggs wasn't the top choice in the All-East Region team, TG!  OBVIOUSLY, he's undeserving!!!!  What an embarrassment to Division III Football if he were to win?!?!?!

[End Sarcasm Here]

Already voted for him -- appreciated the work he's done with Susquehanna and will miss his personality in the LL, no doubt.  Good luck to him.

Gracias... and remember, you can vote daily! 

[Yanks 99]

Any chance I can convince you fine LLPP folks to vote for Steve Briggs??? 

http://www.coachoftheyear.com/Coaches-Finalists-Profile2009.aspx?coachID=125#meteor=SSNyiPrg6zb

Briggs wasn't the top choice in the All-East Region team, TG!  OBVIOUSLY, he's undeserving!!!!  What an embarrassment to Division III Football if he were to win?!?!?!

[End Sarcasm Here]

Already voted for him -- appreciated the work he's done with Susquehanna and will miss his personality in the LL, no doubt.  Good luck to him.

So you are saying that if Blaise Ancona, the punter from Union who was a 3rd Team All-Region (East) selection won the Gagliardi Award this year, you would be totally cool with it.  Nevermind...you probably would.

[Frank Rossi]

Sooo...don't try to get it right, because it might be too difficult?  Maybe name the All-Region players a week or two sooner, to give the Gagliardi committe a chance to take a look at all of the information.  Just a suggestion.  Just my opinion Frank...you aren't going to change my mind, and I am not going to change yours.  

First, define "to get it right."  That's a pronoun here for something that I think I explicitly asked you to ignore (i.e., whether or not it's a "PotY" award).  I'd have to say, and no offense to Pat here, that the Gagliardi Committee has MORE information to go by than we do as regional voters.  I don't think there's any need for the Gagliardi Trophy to exist as a validation of D3football.com's All-Region Teams.  D3football.com actually chooses its National Player of the Year, last time I checked.  Should we just carbon copy that selection over to the Gagliardi folks and tell the 35 voters thanks for the work?

I'm not trying to "change your mind."  I'm trying to make sure that people who read these arguments for the sake of forming their own opinions understand that your argument seems to suggest that every list or award should contain the same players at the top in a 16,000-player football Division in which different people value different skills and styles.  I'm connected with D3football.com and would have been the first person to congratulate the Miss. College QB if he had won the Gagliardi Trophy on Thursday Night.  If it wouldn't bother me, why would you sit there attempting to use this site's lists to undercut the Trophy?

[Pat Coleman]

I guess I got confused.

My whole point was I think the Gagliardi should be treated more like the Heisman...and simply give the award to the best player in the country.  

The Gagliardi can do whatever it wants...I don't have a problem with that.  

Those two things don't seem to really coincide. No doubt, you can have an opinion, but your opinion suggests they should change the underlying philosophy of the whole award. In which case, there really should be another award.