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[union89]

This just in... Lane Kiffin leaves Tennessee after one year to take over at USC.  Link

kind of a dick move if you ask me, but me thinks Mrs. Kiffin is calling the shots and wants out of the mountains...

Wow, that is a dick move, don't care how much he liked USC. Can't argue that USC hasn't been a better program over the past decade (or historically), but it's not a huge upgrade from Tennessee. I'd go ahead and say Mr. or Mrs. Kiffin might not want to ever find themselves in said mountains, they might wonder where that banjo sounds coming from... Suuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeey!

Interesting move in that the Vols are going to be looking at possible sanctions from the Hostess situations.  U89 would think USC would have wanted a sqeaky clean guy to follow the upcoming sanctions levied on the Carroll regime.  U89 figured Steve Sarkisian would be the next guy for the Trojans.  I now hate USC more that before.....I hated them alot before.

[Doid23]

The real shame of a situation like Texas Tech or USC is that there are so many good coaches who are good men, and they don't have a snowballs chance in hell of making it at a big school because the dirtballs running big universities and the athletic departments hire dirtballs to coach.  Dirt attracts dirt.

Very prophetic, Rev, Dirt (USC) attracts dirt (Kiffin).

[Mr. Ypsi]

An ugly situation is getting uglier.

Brandon Willis was one of the recruits at Tennessee involved in the 'hostess' situation.  His father, Gary Willis, has now stated "WE will not be going to Tennessee".

Is Gary Willis a pseudonym for Craig James?

I can't help wondering how many dlipped-up athletes are that way because their fathers are so dlipped-up?!  [Though many of the most dlipped-up ones don't seem to have fathers at all.]  Gentlemen (and I use that term VERY loosely), CHILL!

[Frank Rossi]

+k to my LLPP bretheren even though I missed the +k lovefest from my week-long absence.  Hope all is well for you all so far in 2010.

[pumkinattack]

I'm a Tennessee fan (for now, my in-laws are trying to move me into GT fully) and have to say good riddance.  That dood is destined for SMU style sanctions somewhere.  The only guy I've ever seen lose a PR battle to Al Davis since John Madden was relevant.  It seems like he's putting together a great team around him (Orgeron and Chow), but I have zero doubt that USC is beyond screwed.  

I have to say, it seems like stuff is getting more out of control than ever in the NCAA, big time athletics relationship.  Between "abusive" coaches (still think these guys are a bunch of crybabies) and weak spined administrators (a friend of my father in law's knows the AD and Leach and knows the AD didn't want to pay Leach last year, but didn't have the spine to stand up to the masses after a top ten finish, so they gave him the big $ extension), I'm hoping there's finally an overhaul of this whole bulls**t system.  I love DI, don't compare it to DIII, like so many here, but this s**t is out of control.  The NCAA is a joke.  Major college sports are minor league systems.  Do we really belive that the BB and FB guys are any different than in David Thompson's (BB) and late 50's Duke FB era (Dook notoriously bought an Orange Bowl appearance, flat out then)?  It's perception vs. reality, only now they can't keep a lid on it and it's going to cost the schools.  Ultimately, it's a good thing.  There's no school that is truly, GAAP, profitable (even the ones that claim a profit have whacked non-profit accounting that doesn't factor in subsidized borrowing costs from floating GO bonds to build FB only stadiums, for example), which means, as a consequence, that taxpayers subsidize this s**t, just like building new ballparks and arenas (the one area where I agree with Californians, who won't pony up for new ballparks, which are a waste of dough) instead of getting their fiscal hosue in order.  The SUNY people all wanted big time sports, but honestly, I think they're the only state that's got it right, where they spread the resources around better and get more in state kids a decent education vs. a Berkeley or UVA who takes a ton of out of state kids.  

Rant over.  

[Doid23]

I'm a Tennessee fan (for now, my in-laws are trying to move me into GT fully) and have to say good riddance.  That dood is destined for SMU style sanctions somewhere.  The only guy I've ever seen lose a PR battle to Al Davis since John Madden was relevant.  It seems like he's putting together a great team around him (Orgeron and Chow), but I have zero doubt that USC is beyond screwed.  

I have to say, it seems like stuff is getting more out of control than ever in the NCAA, big time athletics relationship.  Between "abusive" coaches (still think these guys are a bunch of crybabies) and weak spined administrators (a friend of my father in law's knows the AD and Leach and knows the AD didn't want to pay Leach last year, but didn't have the spine to stand up to the masses after a top ten finish, so they gave him the big $ extension), I'm hoping there's finally an overhaul of this whole bulls**t system.  I love DI, don't compare it to DIII, like so many here, but this s**t is out of control.  The NCAA is a joke.  Major college sports are minor league systems.  Do we really belive that the BB and FB guys are any different than in David Thompson's (BB) and late 50's Duke FB era (Dook notoriously bought an Orange Bowl appearance, flat out then)?  It's perception vs. reality, only now they can't keep a lid on it and it's going to cost the schools.  Ultimately, it's a good thing.  There's no school that is truly, GAAP, profitable (even the ones that claim a profit have whacked non-profit accounting that doesn't factor in subsidized borrowing costs from floating GO bonds to build FB only stadiums, for example), which means, as a consequence, that taxpayers subsidize this s**t, just like building new ballparks and arenas (the one area where I agree with Californians, who won't pony up for new ballparks, which are a waste of dough) instead of getting their fiscal hosue in order.  The SUNY people all wanted big time sports, but honestly, I think they're the only state that's got it right, where they spread the resources around better and get more in state kids a decent education vs. a Berkeley or UVA who takes a ton of out of state kids.  

Rant over.  

What he said. +K

[labart96]

Even as a SC (grad school) alum TGP is a bit dismayed by the return of kid-Kiff.  Only hope he has is if Chow is really on board b/c Chow was the true mastermind behind turning SC into a LV bowl loser to NC.  Monte Kiff is the shizz and TGP is relieved SC's D will get a kick in the ass from that old man.  They flat out sucked this year (loss of great LBs like Cush and Matthews, etc notwithstanding) and need an overhaul.

Ogerron is one of the best recruiters hands-down but TGP agrees that the sanction train may be pulling up in South Central before 2012 if Kiff doesn't get his dlip together.....

[mattvsmith]

= Rev ready for action!

+K

Classic.

[mattvsmith]

I'm a Tennessee fan (for now, my in-laws are trying to move me into GT fully) and have to say good riddance.  That dood is destined for SMU style sanctions somewhere.  The only guy I've ever seen lose a PR battle to Al Davis since John Madden was relevant.  It seems like he's putting together a great team around him (Orgeron and Chow), but I have zero doubt that USC is beyond screwed.  

I have to say, it seems like stuff is getting more out of control than ever in the NCAA, big time athletics relationship.  Between "abusive" coaches (still think these guys are a bunch of crybabies) and weak spined administrators (a friend of my father in law's knows the AD and Leach and knows the AD didn't want to pay Leach last year, but didn't have the spine to stand up to the masses after a top ten finish, so they gave him the big $ extension), I'm hoping there's finally an overhaul of this whole bulls**t system.  I love DI, don't compare it to DIII, like so many here, but this s**t is out of control.  The NCAA is a joke.  Major college sports are minor league systems.  Do we really belive that the BB and FB guys are any different than in David Thompson's (BB) and late 50's Duke FB era (Dook notoriously bought an Orange Bowl appearance, flat out then)?  It's perception vs. reality, only now they can't keep a lid on it and it's going to cost the schools.  Ultimately, it's a good thing.  There's no school that is truly, GAAP, profitable (even the ones that claim a profit have whacked non-profit accounting that doesn't factor in subsidized borrowing costs from floating GO bonds to build FB only stadiums, for example), which means, as a consequence, that taxpayers subsidize this s**t, just like building new ballparks and arenas (the one area where I agree with Californians, who won't pony up for new ballparks, which are a waste of dough) instead of getting their fiscal house in order.  The SUNY people all wanted big time sports, but honestly, I think they're the only state that's got it right, where they spread the resources around better and get more in state kids a decent education vs. a Berkeley or UVA who takes a ton of out of state kids.  

Rant over.  

Quality rant.  +K despite the rant was not accompanied by rave.

[pumkinattack]

[mattvsmith]

Brilliant.  Too bad we can't +K twice in one day.

[Knightstalker]

I'm a Tennessee fan (for now, my in-laws are trying to move me into GT fully) and have to say good riddance.  That dood is destined for SMU style sanctions somewhere.  The only guy I've ever seen lose a PR battle to Al Davis since John Madden was relevant.  It seems like he's putting together a great team around him (Orgeron and Chow), but I have zero doubt that USC is beyond screwed.  

I have to say, it seems like stuff is getting more out of control than ever in the NCAA, big time athletics relationship.  Between "abusive" coaches (still think these guys are a bunch of crybabies) and weak spined administrators (a friend of my father in law's knows the AD and Leach and knows the AD didn't want to pay Leach last year, but didn't have the spine to stand up to the masses after a top ten finish, so they gave him the big $ extension), I'm hoping there's finally an overhaul of this whole bulls**t system.  I love DI, don't compare it to DIII, like so many here, but this s**t is out of control.  The NCAA is a joke.  Major college sports are minor league systems.  Do we really belive that the BB and FB guys are any different than in David Thompson's (BB) and late 50's Duke FB era (Dook notoriously bought an Orange Bowl appearance, flat out then)?  It's perception vs. reality, only now they can't keep a lid on it and it's going to cost the schools.  Ultimately, it's a good thing.  There's no school that is truly, GAAP, profitable (even the ones that claim a profit have whacked non-profit accounting that doesn't factor in subsidized borrowing costs from floating GO bonds to build FB only stadiums, for example), which means, as a consequence, that taxpayers subsidize this s**t, just like building new ballparks and arenas (the one area where I agree with Californians, who won't pony up for new ballparks, which are a waste of dough) instead of getting their fiscal house in order.  The SUNY people all wanted big time sports, but honestly, I think they're the only state that's got it right, where they spread the resources around better and get more in state kids a decent education vs. a Berkeley or UVA who takes a ton of out of state kids.  

Rant over.  

Quality rant.  +K despite the rant was not accompanied by rave.

There are reports now that Oregeron is contacting the early admits and telling them not to go to class so it is easier to transfer to USC.

[PBR...]

I'm a Tennessee fan (for now, my in-laws are trying to move me into GT fully) and have to say good riddance.  That dood is destined for SMU style sanctions somewhere.  The only guy I've ever seen lose a PR battle to Al Davis since John Madden was relevant.  It seems like he's putting together a great team around him (Orgeron and Chow), but I have zero doubt that USC is beyond screwed.  

I have to say, it seems like stuff is getting more out of control than ever in the NCAA, big time athletics relationship.  Between "abusive" coaches (still think these guys are a bunch of crybabies) and weak spined administrators (a friend of my father in law's knows the AD and Leach and knows the AD didn't want to pay Leach last year, but didn't have the spine to stand up to the masses after a top ten finish, so they gave him the big $ extension), I'm hoping there's finally an overhaul of this whole bulls**t system.  I love DI, don't compare it to DIII, like so many here, but this s**t is out of control.  The NCAA is a joke.  Major college sports are minor league systems.  Do we really belive that the BB and FB guys are any different than in David Thompson's (BB) and late 50's Duke FB era (Dook notoriously bought an Orange Bowl appearance, flat out then)?  It's perception vs. reality, only now they can't keep a lid on it and it's going to cost the schools.  Ultimately, it's a good thing.  There's no school that is truly, GAAP, profitable (even the ones that claim a profit have whacked non-profit accounting that doesn't factor in subsidized borrowing costs from floating GO bonds to build FB only stadiums, for example), which means, as a consequence, that taxpayers subsidize this s**t, just like building new ballparks and arenas (the one area where I agree with Californians, who won't pony up for new ballparks, which are a waste of dough) instead of getting their fiscal hosue in order.  The SUNY people all wanted big time sports, but honestly, I think they're the only state that's got it right, where they spread the resources around better and get more in state kids a decent education vs. a Berkeley or UVA who takes a ton of out of state kids.  

Rant over.  

well stated PA...Mike Garrett is a true slime ball. The ncaa is about start releasing all the information on the school from its now prior slime ball coach for running a renegade program. here was his chance to bring in a reputable coach to bring stability to the program instead he brings in a coach who in his first year as a head coach in college football almost put UT in some very serious problems for his recruiting issues.

[JT]

This just in... Lane Kiffin leaves Tennessee after one year to take over at USC.  Link

kind of a dick move if you ask me, but me thinks Mrs. Kiffin is calling the shots and wants out of the mountains...

Wow, that is a dick move, don't care how much he liked USC. Can't argue that USC hasn't been a better program over the past decade (or historically), but it's not a huge upgrade from Tennessee. I'd go ahead and say Mr. or Mrs. Kiffin might not want to ever find themselves in said mountains, they might wonder where that banjo sounds coming from... Suuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeey!

Interesting move in that the Vols are going to be looking at possible sanctions from the Hostess situations.  U89 would think USC would have wanted a sqeaky clean guy to follow the upcoming sanctions levied on the Carroll regime.  U89 figured Steve Sarkisian would be the next guy for the Trojans.  I now hate USC more that before.....I hated them alot before.

Lane is John Edwards sleazy.

[SaintsFAN]

This just in... Lane Kiffin leaves Tennessee after one year to take over at USC.  Link

kind of a dick move if you ask me, but me thinks Mrs. Kiffin is calling the shots and wants out of the mountains...

Wow, that is a dick move, don't care how much he liked USC. Can't argue that USC hasn't been a better program over the past decade (or historically), but it's not a huge upgrade from Tennessee. I'd go ahead and say Mr. or Mrs. Kiffin might not want to ever find themselves in said mountains, they might wonder where that banjo sounds coming from... Suuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeey!

Interesting move in that the Vols are going to be looking at possible sanctions from the Hostess situations.  U89 would think USC would have wanted a sqeaky clean guy to follow the upcoming sanctions levied on the Carroll regime.  U89 figured Steve Sarkisian would be the next guy for the Trojans.  I now hate USC more that before.....I hated them alot before.

Lane is John Edwards sleazy.

USC and Lane Kiffin are perfect for one another, SF can not wait until the old man needs to retire and Orgeron is already gone.  Its going to be Paul Hacket all over again + probation