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82's Top 10 QB's of the last 3 decades:

1.  Joe Montana

2.  John Elway

3.  Brett Favre

4.  Dan Marino

5.  Peyton Manning

6.  Steve Young

7.  Troy Aikman

8.  Jim Kelly

9.  Warren Moon

10. Tom Brady

...This is tough.  It is tough to weight SuperBowls versus pure stats.  Example:  Jim Kelly ahead of Tom Brady.  

Hon. Mention to Phil Simms and Kurt Warner.

Best of the rest...Cunningham, Bledsoe, Anderson McNair and Hostettler.

I am sure I missed somebody glaring...disclaimer....did not use the internet, just off the top of my head.

ryan leaf and akili smith...

[SJFF82]

82's Top 10 QB's of the last 3 decades:

1.  Joe Montana

2.  John Elway

3.  Brett Favre

4.  Dan Marino

5.  Peyton Manning

6.  Steve Young

7.  Troy Aikman

8.  Jim Kelly

9.  Warren Moon

10. Tom Brady

...This is tough.  It is tough to weight SuperBowls versus pure stats.  Example:  Jim Kelly ahead of Tom Brady.  

Hon. Mention to Phil Simms and Kurt Warner.

Best of the rest...Cunningham, Bledsoe, Anderson McNair and Hostettler.

I am sure I missed somebody glaring...disclaimer....did not use the internet, just off the top of my head.

ryan leaf and akili smith...

....well but of course, and I also forgot Bubby Brister, Jay Schroeder, Eric Hipple and Boltus

[Yanks 99]

82's Top 10 QB's of the last 3 decades:

1.  Joe Montana

2.  John Elway

3.  Brett Favre

4.  Dan Marino

5.  Peyton Manning

6.  Steve Young

7.  Troy Aikman

8.  Jim Kelly

9.  Warren Moon

10. Tom Brady

...This is tough.  It is tough to weight SuperBowls versus pure stats.  Example:  Jim Kelly ahead of Tom Brady.  

Hon. Mention to Phil Simms and Kurt Warner.

Best of the rest...Cunningham, Bledsoe, Anderson McNair and Hostettler.

I am sure I missed somebody glaring...disclaimer....did not use the internet, just off the top of my head.

ryan leaf and akili smith...

....well but of course, and I also forgot Bubby Brister, Jay Schroeder, Eric Hipple and Boltus

Boltus should definitely be ahead of Steve Young...I would say about #6 overall is about right...

If we were going with creepiest QB photo of all time, #1 thru #4 would have to be Kramer...

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

82's Top 10 QB's of the last 3 decades:

1.  Joe Montana

2.  John Elway

3.  Brett Favre

4.  Dan Marino

5.  Peyton Manning

6.  Steve Young

7.  Troy Aikman

8.  Jim Kelly

9.  Warren Moon

10. Tom Brady

...This is tough.  It is tough to weight SuperBowls versus pure stats.  Example:  Jim Kelly ahead of Tom Brady.  

Hon. Mention to Phil Simms and Kurt Warner.

Best of the rest...Cunningham, Bledsoe, Anderson McNair and Hostettler.

I am sure I missed somebody glaring...disclaimer....did not use the internet, just off the top of my head.

ryan leaf and akili smith...

....well but of course, and I also forgot Bubby Brister, Jay Schroeder, Eric Hipple and Boltus

Boltus should definitely be ahead of Steve Young...I would say about #6 overall is about right...

If we were going with creepiest QB photo of all time, #1 thru #4 would have to be Kramer...

Bobby Hebert

[Frank Rossi]

Favre choked plain and simple.  He knows it.  The look on his face walking off the field after the pick summed it up.  there was nobody in front of him for 10 yds and all he had to do was pick up some yds and get OB.

He lived by the sword and died by it yesterday.  How many times have we seen him thread that completion and how many times have we seen him throw that pick when even a rookie wouldnt have attempted such an errant pass?

Too bad though...he was a true warrior on the football field.  No lack of guts yesterday from him as usual.  His streak of starting games is way beyond Ripken's accomplishment from a pure athletic standpoint.  Ripken's streak has a special aura because of Lou Gherig and baseball's love of numbers in general.

...but I am not convinced Favre is done.  He sure doesnt look done yet.

On one hand TGP agrees, but SIX FUMBLES is redonculous.  Favre was the final dagger in the back but the Vikes literally handed the game and the SB to the Saints.

TGP can only hope he sees the "Manning face" in two weeks.

Who dat?

For as much as I dislike Favre, I blame the Vikes' loss on Minnesota's coaching.  They took over the final regulation possession with just under 3 minutes remaining and timeouts a-plenty.  I understand the concept of trying to milk the clock so the opposition doesn't get a final scoring opportunity -- but what the Vikings chose to do was bleed the clock FIRST, gain yardage incidentally and aim for the 30 for a field goal.

Bleeding the clock first makes no sense.  Let's say you don't convert for a first down and give New Orleans the ball back.  You still have your timeouts intact should the Saints try the same approach on the other end.  You also need to consider that by allowing the clock to remain somewhat intact, you allow a normal run/pass option to exist for your team.  Playing for the field goal with 3 minutes left is playing scared football, through and through.  By the time the Vikings got to the 33, they had bled the clock to about 30 seconds left -- that provided no certainty in a field goal from that distance, no time to really use a run/pass option to gain more yardage and placed Favre in a must-pass situation when the team foolishly got called for 12 men in the huddle FOLLOWING a timeout. 

Yes, Favre threw a bad pass -- but he should not have been placed in that position in the first place.  Clock management and field position management meant a lot more under those circumstances, and the Vikings' coaching staff failed miserably Sunday night.

[Lyco80]

Frank,

I could not agree more - Favre was trying to do the superhuman on a very bad ankle AFTER being put in a terrible situation.

If memory serves me correct, regarding clock management,  they could have run another play before the two minute warning but chose to let it run down.

I do not get French fashion.  I say score the points, put the onus on the other team's Offense, and trust your D.  Coaches and teams who try and get too fancy with clock management are like basketball teams that live by the three point shot - you know - live by the jump shot - die by the jump shot.

Of course, Favre could have hobbled a few yards to get Longwell into position to attempt a 51 yarder but there is little guarantee that would have been effective either - bringing us overtime.  By the way - "Tails never fails" - and they called Heads?

The game really unhinged for the Vikings when they gave away the ball at the end of the first half with first and goal to go.

A score then was a dagger into the Saints - you do not get many chances in championship games for opportunities like that one - nor should you - but when they come the winners know how to take advantage and exploit their opponent.

There were many twists and turns to both games.

If Favre retires he will be remembered as throwing two pics in his final two NFC championship games - as a notorious gambler he was always all in for either all the chips or a bust.

Not surprising it was a bust yesterday - but his sideline leadership failed to take his proclivities into account and mismanaged their franchise and failed when it mattered most.  Still - gutsy performance.

Does anyone believe Tavarus Jackson would have fared better?

Good banter all.

ATB

[SaintsFAN]

Does anyone believe Tavarus Jackson would have fared better?

In short, no. 

[Yanks 99]

I think the blame for the Vikings loss is shared by plenty...terrible clock management on part of the coaching staff at the end of the game, Peterson for putting the ball on the turf 3 times, the other fumbles inside the red zone, and one of the dumbest throws I have seen in a long time by Favre...

Totally agree with the fact that the Vikings would never have been there without Favre...but that doesn't mean he is free of blame for that throw...

82...I think Favre at #3 is too high...same thing with Marino at #4.  Both had a ton of yards, and Favre gets a lot of credit and rightfully so...but he does only have one Super Bowl ring...and that was almost 15 years ago.  Personal opinion...Manning jumps both of them with a win in two weeks and probably goes ahead of Elway by the end.

[Jonny Utah]

Favre choked plain and simple.  He knows it.  The look on his face walking off the field after the pick summed it up.  there was nobody in front of him for 10 yds and all he had to do was pick up some yds and get OB.

He lived by the sword and died by it yesterday.  How many times have we seen him thread that completion and how many times have we seen him throw that pick when even a rookie wouldnt have attempted such an errant pass?

Too bad though...he was a true warrior on the football field.  No lack of guts yesterday from him as usual.  His streak of starting games is way beyond Ripken's accomplishment from a pure athletic standpoint.  Ripken's streak has a special aura because of Lou Gherig and baseball's love of numbers in general.

...but I am not convinced Favre is done.  He sure doesnt look done yet.

On one hand TGP agrees, but SIX FUMBLES is redonculous.  Favre was the final dagger in the back but the Vikes literally handed the game and the SB to the Saints.

TGP can only hope he sees the "Manning face" in two weeks.

Who dat?

For as much as I dislike Favre, I blame the Vikes' loss on Minnesota's coaching.  They took over the final regulation possession with just under 3 minutes remaining and timeouts a-plenty.  I understand the concept of trying to milk the clock so the opposition doesn't get a final scoring opportunity -- but what the Vikings chose to do was bleed the clock FIRST, gain yardage incidentally and aim for the 30 for a field goal.

Bleeding the clock first makes no sense.  Let's say you don't convert for a first down and give New Orleans the ball back.  You still have your timeouts intact should the Saints try the same approach on the other end.  You also need to consider that by allowing the clock to remain somewhat intact, you allow a normal run/pass option to exist for your team.  Playing for the field goal with 3 minutes left is playing scared football, through and through.  By the time the Vikings got to the 33, they had bled the clock to about 30 seconds left -- that provided no certainty in a field goal from that distance, no time to really use a run/pass option to gain more yardage and placed Favre in a must-pass situation when the team foolishly got called for 12 men in the huddle FOLLOWING a timeout. 

Yes, Favre threw a bad pass -- but he should not have been placed in that position in the first place.  Clock management and field position management meant a lot more under those circumstances, and the Vikings' coaching staff failed miserably Sunday night.

I agree in premise Frank, but you have to remember that "running out the clock" meant "running the ball".  If they had picked up 3-4 more yards on each of those running plays, and then didn't have the penalty (coaches fault), they would have had a real good chance to win this game.  And Saints gave Farve the easy chance to run the ball there by not having a contain man and dropping everyone esle in coverage.

[lewdogg11]

Did everyone forget this?

3rd and 10 at NO 33   PENALTY on MIN, Offensive 12 On-field, 5 yards, enforced at NO 33 - No Play.

This is the play BEFORE the Favre INT.  This is the play putting them in a need to throw the ball.  This is the play that put them out of field goal range.  They had 1 TO left, could have run the ball for a yard or 2 and called a TO.  Instead, they HAD to pass and the real Favre showed up.

Favre TRIED to call a TO when the penalty was called which may have screwed them as well and made them have to kick on 3rd from 50.  Minnesota choked.  New Orleans got tough when they needed to.  Favre made a typical old school Favre play, and the rest is history.

Should be a great Super Bowl.  Would love to see the Taints win one. 

[Yanks 99]

Did everyone forget this?

3rd and 10 at NO 33   PENALTY on MIN, Offensive 12 On-field, 5 yards, enforced at NO 33 - No Play.

This is the play BEFORE the Favre INT.  This is the play putting them in a need to throw the ball.  This is the play that put them out of field goal range.  They had 1 TO left, could have run the ball for a yard or 2 and called a TO.  Instead, they HAD to pass and the real Favre showed up.

Favre TRIED to call a TO when the penalty was called which may have screwed them as well and made them have to kick on 3rd from 50.  Minnesota choked.  New Orleans got tough when they needed to.  Favre made a typical old school Favre play, and the rest is history.

Should be a great Super Bowl.  Would love to see the Taints win one. 

I didn't forget...I should have said terrible game management instead of terrible clock management.  Either way, the Vikings blew it...and I think it could be the Colts Super Bowl for the taking...

[SaintsFAN]

Did everyone forget this?

3rd and 10 at NO 33   PENALTY on MIN, Offensive 12 On-field, 5 yards, enforced at NO 33 - No Play.

This is the play BEFORE the Favre INT.  This is the play putting them in a need to throw the ball.  This is the play that put them out of field goal range.  They had 1 TO left, could have run the ball for a yard or 2 and called a TO.  Instead, they HAD to pass and the real Favre showed up.

Favre TRIED to call a TO when the penalty was called which may have screwed them as well and made them have to kick on 3rd from 50.  Minnesota choked.  New Orleans got tough when they needed to.  Favre made a typical old school Favre play, and the rest is history.

Should be a great Super Bowl.  Would love to see the Taints win one. 

I think it was Snooki's or Sammi Sweetheart's fault.  End of story.

[labart96]

LL sighting from earlier today - WPI sticker on the back of a white toyota corolla (that was for sale for only $2600).  i suppose the ca bizaroneers are 'ballin on a budget'?

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LL sighting from earlier today - WPI sticker on the back of a white toyota corolla (that was for sale for only $2600).  i suppose the ca bizaroneers are 'ballin on a budget'?

nice...did u smack the ask and now are lookin' to put some spinners on it?

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btw who is going? pbr will be there w/ bells on...

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