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[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Don't Tase me Bro!

[Jonny Utah]

The Rev didn't (and won't) snipe anybody for their pro-tazer comments, but The Rev wonders why a tazer was necessary.  The Rev remembers in the 70s and 80s lots of fans running on the field (especially this one bird with ginormous boobs) and they seemed to be stopped and arrested without any force.  It was just a distraction and we moved on without any need for excessive force.

The Rev thinks we've totally lost sight of the appropriate level of force to stop what amounts to a dumb kid running.  The Rev can't remember when dumb kids and trespassing became violent crimes, but it seems that any excuse police can use to hurt people, they use.  It strikes The Rev as being very un-American for police to be so violence prone.  Rev expects this kind of stuff out of Soviets, Chinese and North Koreans, not Americans.

Looks like we lost the Cold War. 

We tend to think these things are funny, but someday a member of the LLPP is going to be doing something relatively harmless like driving through Shocktown at 40 instead of 30, or walking out of a bar in Chattanooga, or just driving home from work in NJ, and some policeman will stop you, taze you and then think of some trumped up charges to put you in the slammer until your lawyer can plea bargain you down to misdemeanors when you never committed a crime and all you wanted to do was get home before the game started.  Then it's not going to be so funny.

The reason why they have Tazers Rev is exactly what PBR said.  People have more of a chace to get seriously injured by getting tackled, forced to the ground, resisting, and then getting escorted out than they do getting tazed.  So on use of force charts (excessive force charts that courts have upheld), getting tazed is often times less force than getting tacked to the ground.

And that same cop can knock you on the head with a baton or pepper spray you in the face and make up the exact same shizz (the guy came at me, the guy pulled out a weapon, the guy did this etc)

Basically the courts look at the use of force in different capacities.  What happens if for every 1000 people tazed, 1 person gets seriously injured compared to the 220 per 1000 that end up breaking bones or going unconcious from getting tackled?  Now I made up those numbers, but you can bet companies like the Phillies and Police Departments know those numbers when they worry about lawsuits from excessive force etc.

[PBR...]

The Rev didn't (and won't) snipe anybody for their pro-tazer comments, but The Rev wonders why a tazer was necessary.  The Rev remembers in the 70s and 80s lots of fans running on the field (especially this one bird with ginormous boobs) and they seemed to be stopped and arrested without any force.  It was just a distraction and we moved on without any need for excessive force.

The Rev thinks we've totally lost sight of the appropriate level of force to stop what amounts to a dumb kid running.  The Rev can't remember when dumb kids and trespassing became violent crimes, but it seems that any excuse police can use to hurt people, they use.  It strikes The Rev as being very un-American for police to be so violence prone.  Rev expects this kind of stuff out of Soviets, Chinese and North Koreans, not Americans.

Looks like we lost the Cold War.  

We tend to think these things are funny, but someday a member of the LLPP is going to be doing something relatively harmless like driving through Shocktown at 40 instead of 30, or walking out of a bar in Chattanooga, or just driving home from work in NJ, and some policeman will stop you, taze you and then think of some trumped up charges to put you in the slammer until your lawyer can plea bargain you down to misdemeanors when you never committed a crime and all you wanted to do was get home before the game started.  Then it's not going to be so funny.

I have no problem with him getting tasered, 10 years ago, I would have but after what happened with monica seles and tom gambino,the white sox coach who got jumped by that idiot father/son combo. I am all for protecting these guys at all costs. Me thinks the rev has forgotten about these jerks who jumped out of the stands...unfortunately we live in a different time today then 10-20 years ago...ask monica seles if she is in favor of not using force when she got stabbed in the back by the guy who jumped out of the stands...

to pbr its simple... dont break the law and you wont get tasered by a cop.

[Knightstalker]

The Rev didn't (and won't) snipe anybody for their pro-tazer comments, but The Rev wonders why a tazer was necessary.  The Rev remembers in the 70s and 80s lots of fans running on the field (especially this one bird with ginormous boobs) and they seemed to be stopped and arrested without any force.  It was just a distraction and we moved on without any need for excessive force.

The Rev thinks we've totally lost sight of the appropriate level of force to stop what amounts to a dumb kid running.  The Rev can't remember when dumb kids and trespassing became violent crimes, but it seems that any excuse police can use to hurt people, they use.  It strikes The Rev as being very un-American for police to be so violence prone.  Rev expects this kind of stuff out of Soviets, Chinese and North Koreans, not Americans.

Looks like we lost the Cold War.  

We tend to think these things are funny, but someday a member of the LLPP is going to be doing something relatively harmless like driving through Shocktown at 40 instead of 30, or walking out of a bar in Chattanooga, or just driving home from work in NJ, and some policeman will stop you, taze you and then think of some trumped up charges to put you in the slammer until your lawyer can plea bargain you down to misdemeanors when you never committed a crime and all you wanted to do was get home before the game started.  Then it's not going to be so funny.

I have no problem with him getting tasered, 10 years ago, I would have but after what happened with monica seles and tom gambino,the white sox coach who got jumped by that idiot father/son combo. I am all for protecting these guys at all costs. Me thinks the rev has forgotten about these jerks who jumped out of the stands...unfortunately we live in a different time today then 10-20 years ago...ask monica seles if she is in favor of not using force when she got stabbed in the back by the guy who jumped out of the stands...

to pbr its simple... dont break the law and you wont get tasered by a cop.

Tazing would not have stopped either of those incidents before the damage was done but KS agrees it is safer than tackling, also safer for the security officer of cop.  But KS enjoys watching the tackling much more.

[PBR...]

The Rev didn't (and won't) snipe anybody for their pro-tazer comments, but The Rev wonders why a tazer was necessary.  The Rev remembers in the 70s and 80s lots of fans running on the field (especially this one bird with ginormous boobs) and they seemed to be stopped and arrested without any force.  It was just a distraction and we moved on without any need for excessive force.

The Rev thinks we've totally lost sight of the appropriate level of force to stop what amounts to a dumb kid running.  The Rev can't remember when dumb kids and trespassing became violent crimes, but it seems that any excuse police can use to hurt people, they use.  It strikes The Rev as being very un-American for police to be so violence prone.  Rev expects this kind of stuff out of Soviets, Chinese and North Koreans, not Americans.

Looks like we lost the Cold War.  

We tend to think these things are funny, but someday a member of the LLPP is going to be doing something relatively harmless like driving through Shocktown at 40 instead of 30, or walking out of a bar in Chattanooga, or just driving home from work in NJ, and some policeman will stop you, taze you and then think of some trumped up charges to put you in the slammer until your lawyer can plea bargain you down to misdemeanors when you never committed a crime and all you wanted to do was get home before the game started.  Then it's not going to be so funny.

I have no problem with him getting tasered, 10 years ago, I would have but after what happened with monica seles and tom gambino,the white sox coach who got jumped by that idiot father/son combo. I am all for protecting these guys at all costs. Me thinks the rev has forgotten about these jerks who jumped out of the stands...unfortunately we live in a different time today then 10-20 years ago...ask monica seles if she is in favor of not using force when she got stabbed in the back by the guy who jumped out of the stands...

to pbr its simple... dont break the law and you wont get tasered by a cop.

Tazing would not have stopped either of those incidents before the damage was done but KS agrees it is safer than tackling, also safer for the security officer of cop.  But KS enjoys watching the tackling much more.

point is you dont know what peoples intentions are today...these are trying times from wars/economy/politics/etc....lots of people walking the edge. someone has either a knife/weapon on the field and starts chasing players/coaches unarmed security guards aren't going to help. pbr keeps waiting for a flash mob to happen at the pitchers mound in a stadium. wtf is security and cops going to do when 30+ jump over the stands and charge the mound? if you dont know what their intentions are you better be packing some kind of heat imho....

[SaintsFAN]

We tend to think these things are funny, but someday a member of the LLPP is going to be doing something relatively harmless like driving through Shocktown at 40 instead of 30, or walking out of a bar in Chattanooga, or just driving home from work in NJ, surfing in the birthday suit in Wilmington NC and some policeman will stop you, taze you and then think of some trumped up charges to put you in the slammer until your lawyer can plea bargain you down to misdemeanors when you never committed a crime and all you wanted to do was get home before the game started.  Then it's not going to be so funny.

SF's money is on this happening...

[dlippiel]

To dlip there is no question that people today are ****ING CRAZY and dlip thinks the Monica Seles example is very appropriate for this situation. If we KNEW for a fact that people who ran on the field in today's world definitely meant no harm than a taser would be completely inappropriate and excessive. Yet, dlip concurs, in today's world it is just too unsafe. You know what, if a fan ran across the field and stabbed, shot, or killed a player everyone would be saying, "this running on the field **** has been going on forever. Why didn't MLB or the proper authorities deal with this accordingly before someone got hurt?" Guarantee EVERYONE would be all over that ****. Bottom line to dlip, if you don't want to get tased don't run on the field and break the law.

[AUPepBand]

While there seems to be plenty to discuss on the LL boards, Pep nevertheless offers the following and extends an invitation to LL posters for their suggestions.

So Pep was taking the Bandwagon for a spin the other day, while the "other van" was getting an idiot light checked out. So Pep was thinking again about what might be an appropriate "send-off" for this storied van that has taken Pep far and wide ever so faithfully since just before 9/1/01.

Pep has considered:

1) Park it somewhere "down by the river" where he can live in it during retirement
2) Enter it in the Demolition Derby at the Allegany County Fair in July
3) Drive it back to its roots...Oregon, although most of its early life was on straight and narrow Iowa roads
4) Buy an "anywhere" bus ticket for insurance, then drive the Bandwagon across the country this summer, hitting every state possible and when it dies, take a bus back to Saxonville.



Current odometer reading: 318,???

Pep welcomes his fellow posters' thoughts.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Pep,

I like Option 4.  Sounds like a Great Plan!

[union89]

The Rev didn't (and won't) snipe anybody for their pro-tazer comments, but The Rev wonders why a tazer was necessary.  The Rev remembers in the 70s and 80s lots of fans running on the field (especially this one bird with ginormous boobs) and they seemed to be stopped and arrested without any force.  It was just a distraction and we moved on without any need for excessive force.

The Rev thinks we've totally lost sight of the appropriate level of force to stop what amounts to a dumb kid running.  The Rev can't remember when dumb kids and trespassing became violent crimes, but it seems that any excuse police can use to hurt people, they use.  It strikes The Rev as being very un-American for police to be so violence prone.  Rev expects this kind of stuff out of Soviets, Chinese and North Koreans, not Americans.

Looks like we lost the Cold War. 

We tend to think these things are funny, but someday a member of the LLPP is going to be doing something relatively harmless like driving through Shocktown at 40 instead of 30, or walking out of a bar in Chattanooga, or just driving home from work in NJ, and some policeman will stop you, taze you and then think of some trumped up charges to put you in the slammer until your lawyer can plea bargain you down to misdemeanors when you never committed a crime and all you wanted to do was get home before the game started.  Then it's not going to be so funny.

The reason why they have Tazers Rev is exactly what PBR said.  People have more of a chace to get seriously injured by getting tackled, forced to the ground, resisting, and then getting escorted out than they do getting tazed.  So on use of force charts (excessive force charts that courts have upheld), getting tazed is often times less force than getting tacked to the ground.

And that same cop can knock you on the head with a baton or pepper spray you in the face and make up the exact same shizz (the guy came at me, the guy pulled out a weapon, the guy did this etc)

Basically the courts look at the use of force in different capacities.  What happens if for every 1000 people tazed, 1 person gets seriously injured compared to the 220 per 1000 that end up breaking bones or going unconcious from getting tackled?  Now I made up those numbers, but you can bet companies like the Phillies and Police Departments know those numbers when they worry about lawsuits from excessive force etc.

Utah,
Summed up very well......+1.

[SaintsFAN]

While there seems to be plenty to discuss on the LL boards, Pep nevertheless offers the following and extends an invitation to LL posters for their suggestions.

So Pep was taking the Bandwagon for a spin the other day, while the "other van" was getting an idiot light checked out. So Pep was thinking again about what might be an appropriate "send-off" for this storied van that has taken Pep far and wide ever so faithfully since just before 9/1/01.

Pep has considered:

1) Park it somewhere "down by the river" where he can live in it during retirement
2) Enter it in the Demolition Derby at the Allegany County Fair in July
3) Drive it back to its roots...Oregon, although most of its early life was on straight and narrow Iowa roads
4) Buy an "anywhere" bus ticket for insurance, then drive the Bandwagon across the country this summer, hitting every state possible and when it dies, take a bus back to Saxonville.



Current odometer reading: 318,???

Pep welcomes his fellow posters' thoughts.

Whatever you do, just make sure you don't sell it to a Paki.... it will end up being laden full of explosives and sitting in Times Square.   Whether or not it blows up, thats a different story....but you'll have to answer questions.  

[dlippiel]

While there seems to be plenty to discuss on the LL boards, Pep nevertheless offers the following and extends an invitation to LL posters for their suggestions.

So Pep was taking the Bandwagon for a spin the other day, while the "other van" was getting an idiot light checked out. So Pep was thinking again about what might be an appropriate "send-off" for this storied van that has taken Pep far and wide ever so faithfully since just before 9/1/01.

Pep has considered:

1) Park it somewhere "down by the river" where he can live in it during retirement
2) Enter it in the Demolition Derby at the Allegany County Fair in July
3) Drive it back to its roots...Oregon, although most of its early life was on straight and narrow Iowa roads
4) Buy an "anywhere" bus ticket for insurance, then drive the Bandwagon across the country this summer, hitting every state possible and when it dies, take a bus back to Saxonville.



Current odometer reading: 318,???

Pep welcomes his fellow posters' thoughts.

dlip goes with #1! Can't ****ing beat being the guy living in the "van down by the river!"

[Knightstalker]

While there seems to be plenty to discuss on the LL boards, Pep nevertheless offers the following and extends an invitation to LL posters for their suggestions.

So Pep was taking the Bandwagon for a spin the other day, while the "other van" was getting an idiot light checked out. So Pep was thinking again about what might be an appropriate "send-off" for this storied van that has taken Pep far and wide ever so faithfully since just before 9/1/01.

Pep has considered:

1) Park it somewhere "down by the river" where he can live in it during retirement
2) Enter it in the Demolition Derby at the Allegany County Fair in July
3) Drive it back to its roots...Oregon, although most of its early life was on straight and narrow Iowa roads
4) Buy an "anywhere" bus ticket for insurance, then drive the Bandwagon across the country this summer, hitting every state possible and when it dies, take a bus back to Saxonville.



Current odometer reading: 318,???

Pep welcomes his fellow posters' thoughts.

dlip goes with #1! Can't ****ing beat being the guy living in the "van down by the river!"

That is a good one or option number 5:
Save the pep bandwagon and when you die get buried in it.

[Knightstalker]

Breaking News:
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/06/nfl-star-lawrence-taylor-arrested-in-rape-investigation/?hpt=T3

[pg04]

For some reason that doesn't shock me in the slightest.