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[Jonny Utah]

wtf is this!! r u kidding pbr!! talk about taking away the people's rights...so if it appears someone is speeding now ohio police can issue a ticket w/o any proof!! what kind of cr@p is this...so if ohio st. or mt. union lose a game the local cops being in a ticked off mood can sit there and hand out speeding tickets like its a deli line to opposing teams fans that drove to ohio....total b.s...

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/ohio-news/estimates-ok-for-speeding-tickets-court-rules-741192.html

PBR this isn't really what you think it is.  This just means that if a vehicle is flying down the street, a police officer doesn't have to have a radar or lidar on the vehicle to pull it over.  If a cop set up a speed trap and did speed enforcment for the shift by only using his "estimates", I'm sure courts would be less willing to just find all the drivers responsible for speeding.

The "proof" is what the officer testifies.  Remember, the officer can pretend to have the radar on as well. 

Let's say you were a cop and you were stopped at the side of the road getting a nice donut and coffee.  Then right when you get into your car, you see a vehicle come down the road (lets say a 30mph rd) at what a reasonable person would estimate at 80 mph.  Shouldn't the cop have the right to pull him over and give him a ticket?

for me proof matters...so the cop estimates you were doing 60 in a 55mph zone and issues a ticket w/ no proof you have no problem with that? the courts ruled that as long as the officer is trained and graduated from the police academy that should be good enough to judge how fast a person is going as stated here in by the supreme court...

http://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/rod/docs/pdf/0/2010/2010-Ohio-2420.pdf


where does it stop? dood looks like a stoner so we dont need a warrant we can just walk into their house and search them or worse just arrest them....such its easy to estimate a car speeding 75mph in a 15mph zone but what about doing 41mph in a 35mph? what about what this country was founded on innocent until proven guilty....

Well first off this was a case where the officer estimated the person to be going 20 miles over the speed limit (which a radar that he may or may not have been trained in had him at 22 mph over the speed limit).  He was trained to estimate cars within 4-5 mph.  

You don't need 100% proof in cases like this.  You just need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person was speeding.  Going 4-5 miles over the speed limit gives a normal person reasonable doubt whether or not you were speeding.  20mph over the limit leaves me less doubt.

[PBR...]

wtf is this!! r u kidding pbr!! talk about taking away the people's rights...so if it appears someone is speeding now ohio police can issue a ticket w/o any proof!! what kind of cr@p is this...so if ohio st. or mt. union lose a game the local cops being in a ticked off mood can sit there and hand out speeding tickets like its a deli line to opposing teams fans that drove to ohio....total b.s...

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/ohio-news/estimates-ok-for-speeding-tickets-court-rules-741192.html

PBR this isn't really what you think it is.  This just means that if a vehicle is flying down the street, a police officer doesn't have to have a radar or lidar on the vehicle to pull it over.  If a cop set up a speed trap and did speed enforcment for the shift by only using his "estimates", I'm sure courts would be less willing to just find all the drivers responsible for speeding.

The "proof" is what the officer testifies.  Remember, the officer can pretend to have the radar on as well. 

Let's say you were a cop and you were stopped at the side of the road getting a nice donut and coffee.  Then right when you get into your car, you see a vehicle come down the road (lets say a 30mph rd) at what a reasonable person would estimate at 80 mph.  Shouldn't the cop have the right to pull him over and give him a ticket?

for me proof matters...so the cop estimates you were doing 60 in a 55mph zone and issues a ticket w/ no proof you have no problem with that? the courts ruled that as long as the officer is trained and graduated from the police academy that should be good enough to judge how fast a person is going as stated here in by the supreme court...

http://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/rod/docs/pdf/0/2010/2010-Ohio-2420.pdf


where does it stop? dood looks like a stoner so we dont need a warrant we can just walk into their house and search them or worse just arrest them....such its easy to estimate a car speeding 75mph in a 15mph zone but what about doing 41mph in a 35mph? what about what this country was founded on innocent until proven guilty....

Well first off this was a case where the officer estimated the person to be going 20 miles over the speed limit (which a radar that he may or may not have been trained in had him at 22 mph over the speed limit).  He was trained to estimate cars within 4-5 mph.  

You don't need 100% proof in cases like this.  You just need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person was speeding.  Going 4-5 miles over the speed limit gives a normal person reasonable doubt whether or not you were speeding.  20mph over the limit leaves me less doubt.

guess it just depends what your used to...got this email from 1 of pbr's best friends who is a cop....

Wow. As a police officer here in PA this seems nuts to me. I guess it depends upon what you're used to. We're required to produce proof of speed which includes a certificate of accuracy for the speed timing device as well as a citation of the PA Bulletin which approves the device being used. If I went into court and tried to say a driver was going any exact speed and my only testimony was my say-so, the M.D.J. would render a not guilty verdict before I even finished my testimony. Then they'd likely be pissed because I wasted their time with a bogus charge I should never have filed in the first place. I guess things are different in Ohio.

[Jonny Utah]

wtf is this!! r u kidding pbr!! talk about taking away the people's rights...so if it appears someone is speeding now ohio police can issue a ticket w/o any proof!! what kind of cr@p is this...so if ohio st. or mt. union lose a game the local cops being in a ticked off mood can sit there and hand out speeding tickets like its a deli line to opposing teams fans that drove to ohio....total b.s...

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/ohio-news/estimates-ok-for-speeding-tickets-court-rules-741192.html

PBR this isn't really what you think it is.  This just means that if a vehicle is flying down the street, a police officer doesn't have to have a radar or lidar on the vehicle to pull it over.  If a cop set up a speed trap and did speed enforcment for the shift by only using his "estimates", I'm sure courts would be less willing to just find all the drivers responsible for speeding.

The "proof" is what the officer testifies.  Remember, the officer can pretend to have the radar on as well. 

Let's say you were a cop and you were stopped at the side of the road getting a nice donut and coffee.  Then right when you get into your car, you see a vehicle come down the road (lets say a 30mph rd) at what a reasonable person would estimate at 80 mph.  Shouldn't the cop have the right to pull him over and give him a ticket?

for me proof matters...so the cop estimates you were doing 60 in a 55mph zone and issues a ticket w/ no proof you have no problem with that? the courts ruled that as long as the officer is trained and graduated from the police academy that should be good enough to judge how fast a person is going as stated here in by the supreme court...

http://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/rod/docs/pdf/0/2010/2010-Ohio-2420.pdf


where does it stop? dood looks like a stoner so we dont need a warrant we can just walk into their house and search them or worse just arrest them....such its easy to estimate a car speeding 75mph in a 15mph zone but what about doing 41mph in a 35mph? what about what this country was founded on innocent until proven guilty....

Well first off this was a case where the officer estimated the person to be going 20 miles over the speed limit (which a radar that he may or may not have been trained in had him at 22 mph over the speed limit).  He was trained to estimate cars within 4-5 mph.  

You don't need 100% proof in cases like this.  You just need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person was speeding.  Going 4-5 miles over the speed limit gives a normal person reasonable doubt whether or not you were speeding.  20mph over the limit leaves me less doubt.

guess it just depends what your used to...got this email from 1 of pbr's best friends who is a cop....

Wow. As a police officer here in PA this seems nuts to me. I guess it depends upon what you're used to. We're required to produce proof of speed which includes a certificate of accuracy for the speed timing device as well as a citation of the PA Bulletin which approves the device being used. If I went into court and tried to say a driver was going any exact speed and my only testimony was my say-so, the M.D.J. would render a not guilty verdict before I even finished my testimony. Then they'd likely be pissed because I wasted their time with a bogus charge I should never have filed in the first place. I guess things are different in Ohio.

I hear what you are saying but I don't think you will be seeing a lot of Ohio police officers throwing out their radars and citing drivers for estimated speeds.  And police officers are trained to estimate speeds and use a radar.  This is because you don't want the cop to just be asleep in the back of the car with the radar pointing towards the road with the volume up.  Then when the cop hears a high frequency, he just looks at the mph on the radar and pulls over that car for what the number shows.  The cop has to estimate the speed of the specific vehicle and it really isn't that hard to do (10 mph would be a lot clearer to me than 4-5 mph unless you are real used to the road).

And this Ohio case isn't new.  It just backs up other Ohio cases with similar findings.  And many other states have the same case laws as well.

[PBR...]

wtf is this!! r u kidding pbr!! talk about taking away the people's rights...so if it appears someone is speeding now ohio police can issue a ticket w/o any proof!! what kind of cr@p is this...so if ohio st. or mt. union lose a game the local cops being in a ticked off mood can sit there and hand out speeding tickets like its a deli line to opposing teams fans that drove to ohio....total b.s...

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/ohio-news/estimates-ok-for-speeding-tickets-court-rules-741192.html

PBR this isn't really what you think it is.  This just means that if a vehicle is flying down the street, a police officer doesn't have to have a radar or lidar on the vehicle to pull it over.  If a cop set up a speed trap and did speed enforcment for the shift by only using his "estimates", I'm sure courts would be less willing to just find all the drivers responsible for speeding.

The "proof" is what the officer testifies.  Remember, the officer can pretend to have the radar on as well. 

Let's say you were a cop and you were stopped at the side of the road getting a nice donut and coffee.  Then right when you get into your car, you see a vehicle come down the road (lets say a 30mph rd) at what a reasonable person would estimate at 80 mph.  Shouldn't the cop have the right to pull him over and give him a ticket?

for me proof matters...so the cop estimates you were doing 60 in a 55mph zone and issues a ticket w/ no proof you have no problem with that? the courts ruled that as long as the officer is trained and graduated from the police academy that should be good enough to judge how fast a person is going as stated here in by the supreme court...

http://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/rod/docs/pdf/0/2010/2010-Ohio-2420.pdf


where does it stop? dood looks like a stoner so we dont need a warrant we can just walk into their house and search them or worse just arrest them....such its easy to estimate a car speeding 75mph in a 15mph zone but what about doing 41mph in a 35mph? what about what this country was founded on innocent until proven guilty....

Well first off this was a case where the officer estimated the person to be going 20 miles over the speed limit (which a radar that he may or may not have been trained in had him at 22 mph over the speed limit).  He was trained to estimate cars within 4-5 mph.  

You don't need 100% proof in cases like this.  You just need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person was speeding.  Going 4-5 miles over the speed limit gives a normal person reasonable doubt whether or not you were speeding.  20mph over the limit leaves me less doubt.

guess it just depends what your used to...got this email from 1 of pbr's best friends who is a cop....

Wow. As a police officer here in PA this seems nuts to me. I guess it depends upon what you're used to. We're required to produce proof of speed which includes a certificate of accuracy for the speed timing device as well as a citation of the PA Bulletin which approves the device being used. If I went into court and tried to say a driver was going any exact speed and my only testimony was my say-so, the M.D.J. would render a not guilty verdict before I even finished my testimony. Then they'd likely be pissed because I wasted their time with a bogus charge I should never have filed in the first place. I guess things are different in Ohio.

I hear what you are saying but I don't think you will be seeing a lot of Ohio police officers throwing out their radars and citing drivers for estimated speeds.  And police officers are trained to estimate speeds and use a radar.  This is because you don't want the cop to just be asleep in the back of the car with the radar pointing towards the road with the volume up.  Then when the cop hears a high frequency, he just looks at the mph on the radar and pulls over that car for what the number shows.  The cop has to estimate the speed of the specific vehicle and it really isn't that hard to do (10 mph would be a lot clearer to me than 4-5 mph unless you are real used to the road).

And this Ohio case isn't new.  It just backs up other Ohio cases with similar findings.  And many other states have the same case laws as well.

was just LOL thinking if Reg is cruising thru Ohio and gets stopped and is up in front of the judge and judge asks the police officer what the charges were and they state they estimated Reg doing 65mph in a 55mph zone but didnt have any proof....then imagine Reg saying out loud "what is this amateur hour?" and the judge glaring at Reg's outburst...slamming the gavel down while yelling guilty....

[Jonny Utah]

Nah, Reg would stand there and tell the officer he was wrong because he was doing at least 85.  Then he would pay fine by throwing wrinkled up $20's off the forhead of the clerk that was collecting it.

[lewdogg11]

Nah, Reg would stand there and tell the officer he was wrong because he was doing at least 85.  Then he would pay fine by throwing wrinkled up $20's off the forhead of the clerk that was collecting it.

Don't let Reg's LLPP self-representation fool you.  He would have cried to the officer on the street, showed his boobs, and it wouldn't have even gotten to court.

[JT]

Nah, Reg would stand there and tell the officer he was wrong because he was doing at least 85.  Then he would pay fine by throwing wrinkled up $20's off the forhead of the clerk that was collecting it.

Don't let Reg's LLPP self-representation fool you.  He would have cried to the officer on the street, showed his boobs, and it wouldn't have even gotten to court.

+k

[lewdogg11]

My Karma is creepy...

[mattvsmith]

Nah, Reg would stand there and tell the officer he was wrong because he was doing at least 85.  Then he would pay fine by throwing wrinkled up $20's off the forehead of the clerk that was collecting it.

+K

[mattvsmith]

Nah, Reg would stand there and tell the officer he was wrong because he was doing at least 85.  Then he would pay fine by throwing wrinkled up $20's off the forhead of the clerk that was collecting it.

Don't let Reg's LLPP self-representation fool you.  He would have cried to the officer on the street, showed his boobs, and it wouldn't have even gotten to court.

+K.

LLPP is really kicking it old school today

[HSCTiger74]

My Karma is creepy...

+k to get un-creeped.

[dlippiel]

Any mention of "man boobs" is worth +k to dlip. Nice as always dogg!

[PBR...]

Nah, Reg would stand there and tell the officer he was wrong because he was doing at least 85.  Then he would pay fine by throwing wrinkled up $20's off the forhead of the clerk that was collecting it.

Don't let Reg's LLPP self-representation fool you.  He would have cried to the officer on the street, showed his boobs, and it wouldn't have even gotten to court.

now that is some funny 'ish! +k

[AUPepBand]

Pep talks football and gets ignored. LewDogg mentions man boobs and gets karmafied. (Pep, lol, adds his +k)....Perhaps they should call this website D3boobies.com?

[Yanks 99]

Pep talks football and gets ignored. LewDogg mentions man boobs and gets karmafied. (Pep, lol, adds his +k)....Perhaps they should call this website D3boobies.com?

There would probably be a lot more viewers if it were...