FB: Liberty League

[labart96]

Anyone been following the story about this 16 year old girl trying to sail across the world?  What a clown, and what a bunch of clown parents this girl must have.  I hope whatever rescue operation that finds her sends her a bill for $497,632.50 for search and rescue costs.

dlip concurs that her parents are paddling up the river using tooth picks but at the same time he applauds this girl's sailing ability, bravery, and smarts. Many 16 year olds today are doing much less (this includes dlip way back when he was 16) where this young lady is challenging herself. In a twisted way dlip feels after this adventure there will be nothing in life that stops her from achieving any goals she sets for herself in life. dlip does think the parents are ****ing stupid for allowing this adventure at the age of 16. If this young lady was hellbent on doing this maybe the parents should have made her wait two years until she was 18 so at least she would be doing it as a legal adult and not necessarily on their watch.

What gets lost in these reports is this gal's 17-18 yo brother did the same sheesh last year and made it.

[JT]

Happy 235th Birthday to the U.S. Army

[Doid23]

The whole politics in Texas are interesting.  PBR, Baylor's actually quite a bit better academically than A&M and are in Dallas, so they're reasonably attractive (comparable with say Northeastern or American University, despite the shadow of Dave Bliss on that school).  Funny thing is TCU should've been in the Big 12 not Baylor during the combining of the SWC and other schools.  Baylor's got a lot of monied, influential alums that forced Baylor in and TCU out. 

Baylor's in Waco, about 2 hours south of Dallas. Word now is that they may save the Big 12 after all, if they do the Kansas, KState, Mizzou, etc. owe Big 12 Commissioner big time. I love Nebraska going to the Big 10, and don't really care about Colorado going to the Pac 10, but moving Texas/ Oklahoma to the Pac 10 just doesn't make sense, kind of like Boston College in the ACC. Hope it doesn't happen.

[HSCTiger74]

The whole politics in Texas are interesting.  PBR, Baylor's actually quite a bit better academically than A&M and are in Dallas, so they're reasonably attractive (comparable with say Northeastern or American University, despite the shadow of Dave Bliss on that school).  Funny thing is TCU should've been in the Big 12 not Baylor during the combining of the SWC and other schools.  Baylor's got a lot of monied, influential alums that forced Baylor in and TCU out. 

Baylor's in Waco, about 2 hours south of Dallas. Word now is that they may save the Big 12 after all, if they do the Kansas, KState, Mizzou, etc. owe Big 12 Commissioner big time. I love Nebraska going to the Big 10, and don't really care about Colorado going to the Pac 10, but moving Texas/ Oklahoma to the Pac 10 just doesn't make sense, kind of like Boston College in the ACC. Hope it doesn't happen.

So, if they do manage to hold the Big 12 together (still debatable) which schools become the frontrunners to replace Nebraska and Colorado?

[PBR...]

The whole politics in Texas are interesting.  PBR, Baylor's actually quite a bit better academically than A&M and are in Dallas, so they're reasonably attractive (comparable with say Northeastern or American University, despite the shadow of Dave Bliss on that school).  Funny thing is TCU should've been in the Big 12 not Baylor during the combining of the SWC and other schools.  Baylor's got a lot of monied, influential alums that forced Baylor in and TCU out. 

Baylor's in Waco, about 2 hours south of Dallas. Word now is that they may save the Big 12 after all, if they do the Kansas, KState, Mizzou, etc. owe Big 12 Commissioner big time. I love Nebraska going to the Big 10, and don't really care about Colorado going to the Pac 10, but moving Texas/ Oklahoma to the Pac 10 just doesn't make sense, kind of like Boston College in the ACC. Hope it doesn't happen.

So, if they do manage to hold the Big 12 together (still debatable) which schools become the frontrunners to replace Nebraska and Colorado?

a network has stepped forward and offered TX,TAM, and OK $20M/yr and the remaining 7 schools between $14M-$17M to keep the Big12 together and also allowing TX to develop their own network. Supposedly the network was afraid that by these schools going to the PACxx and the PACxx developing a conference network, this network could lose significant inventory for the next 15-20 years. How you lose NU and CO and double your money has me scratching my head.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Now that the Big 12 has 10 teams, while the Big Ten (which didn't deign to change names with 11) has 12, I'll be intrigued on name changes.  A (totally confusing) swap?

While the Big Ten could sort of justify no change (in any given sport, it is rare to have more than 5-6 'Big' teams, much less Ten), but the Big 12 seems to be in a bind.  Big 10 is already taken (unless they cede it).  I suppose the Big Ten could go historical and once again become the Western Conference, but that would be rather confusing geographically (and might get a lawsuit from the WAC).  What to do?!

[PBR...]

Now that the Big 12 has 10 teams, while the Big Ten (which didn't deign to change names with 11) has 12, I'll be intrigued on name changes.  A (totally confusing) swap?

While the Big Ten could sort of justify no change (in any given sport, it is rare to have more than 5-6 'Big' teams, much less Ten), but the Big 12 seems to be in a bind.  Big 10 is already taken (unless they cede it).  I suppose the Big Ten could go historical and once again become the Western Conference, but that would be rather confusing geographically (and might get a lawsuit from the WAC).  What to do?!

well this ain't done by a long shot...they are all taking a breather right now. aTm is still deciding whether to go to the s.e.c. or not.  Texas is still trying to figure out how to shed Tx Tech by hopefully getting them into the mtn west conference so that would free up texas to head to what is currently the big10. worst case scenario they start this longhorn network they have been trying and ride out the current big 12 setup. This way Texas can save face (and get what they want) and say they did everything they could to save the big 12 but other teams wanted it to end...i.e. nebraska/colorado/aTm/TxTech

[Jonny Utah]

Now that the Big 12 has 10 teams, while the Big Ten (which didn't deign to change names with 11) has 12, I'll be intrigued on name changes.  A (totally confusing) swap?

While the Big Ten could sort of justify no change (in any given sport, it is rare to have more than 5-6 'Big' teams, much less Ten), but the Big 12 seems to be in a bind.  Big 10 is already taken (unless they cede it).  I suppose the Big Ten could go historical and once again become the Western Conference, but that would be rather confusing geographically (and might get a lawsuit from the WAC).  What to do?!

well this ain't done by a long shot...they are all taking a breather right now. aTm is still deciding whether to go to the s.e.c. or not.  Texas is still trying to figure out how to shed Tx Tech by hopefully getting them into the mtn west conference so that would free up texas to head to what is currently the big10. worst case scenario they start this longhorn network they have been trying and ride out the current big 12 setup. This way Texas can save face (and get what they want) and say they did everything they could to save the big 12 but other teams wanted it to end...i.e. nebraska/colorado/aTm/TxTech

How does the Big 10 network make its money?  Are they making money of the Jonny Utahs in Boston paying Verizon 29 cents a month (involuntarily) for the network?

[PBR...]

Now that the Big 12 has 10 teams, while the Big Ten (which didn't deign to change names with 11) has 12, I'll be intrigued on name changes.  A (totally confusing) swap?

While the Big Ten could sort of justify no change (in any given sport, it is rare to have more than 5-6 'Big' teams, much less Ten), but the Big 12 seems to be in a bind.  Big 10 is already taken (unless they cede it).  I suppose the Big Ten could go historical and once again become the Western Conference, but that would be rather confusing geographically (and might get a lawsuit from the WAC).  What to do?!

well this ain't done by a long shot...they are all taking a breather right now. aTm is still deciding whether to go to the s.e.c. or not.  Texas is still trying to figure out how to shed Tx Tech by hopefully getting them into the mtn west conference so that would free up texas to head to what is currently the big10. worst case scenario they start this longhorn network they have been trying and ride out the current big 12 setup. This way Texas can save face (and get what they want) and say they did everything they could to save the big 12 but other teams wanted it to end...i.e. nebraska/colorado/aTm/TxTech

How does the Big 10 network make its money?  Are they making money of the Jonny Utahs in Boston paying Verizon 29 cents a month (involuntarily) for the network?

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/11533/big-ten-network-officially-a-cash-cow

[Jonny Utah]

Now that the Big 12 has 10 teams, while the Big Ten (which didn't deign to change names with 11) has 12, I'll be intrigued on name changes.  A (totally confusing) swap?

While the Big Ten could sort of justify no change (in any given sport, it is rare to have more than 5-6 'Big' teams, much less Ten), but the Big 12 seems to be in a bind.  Big 10 is already taken (unless they cede it).  I suppose the Big Ten could go historical and once again become the Western Conference, but that would be rather confusing geographically (and might get a lawsuit from the WAC).  What to do?!

well this ain't done by a long shot...they are all taking a breather right now. aTm is still deciding whether to go to the s.e.c. or not.  Texas is still trying to figure out how to shed Tx Tech by hopefully getting them into the mtn west conference so that would free up texas to head to what is currently the big10. worst case scenario they start this longhorn network they have been trying and ride out the current big 12 setup. This way Texas can save face (and get what they want) and say they did everything they could to save the big 12 but other teams wanted it to end...i.e. nebraska/colorado/aTm/TxTech

How does the Big 10 network make its money?  Are they making money of the Jonny Utahs in Boston paying Verizon 29 cents a month (involuntarily) for the network?

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/11533/big-ten-network-officially-a-cash-cow

Thanks for the link PBR.  But I was wondering more specifically that if I get the Big 10 network in Boston, what other parts of the country pay to get the BTN as a part of their package?  And why hasn't the SEC come up with a network for football games at least?  I assume it is because the SEC already has enough deals with major networks and agreed to limit football games to those stations?  I mean, if people in Boston have to pay for the BTN, wouldn't the SEC or ACC have some juice if they came up with a network?

I'll admit, of the 800 channels I get, I could do without 700 of them, but I do like the BTN, especially for the football coverage and inside stories of training camps and offseason workout programs.  They also have some good historical stuff on the football programs in the league.

[union89]

Now that the Big 12 has 10 teams, while the Big Ten (which didn't deign to change names with 11) has 12, I'll be intrigued on name changes.  A (totally confusing) swap?

While the Big Ten could sort of justify no change (in any given sport, it is rare to have more than 5-6 'Big' teams, much less Ten), but the Big 12 seems to be in a bind.  Big 10 is already taken (unless they cede it).  I suppose the Big Ten could go historical and once again become the Western Conference, but that would be rather confusing geographically (and might get a lawsuit from the WAC).  What to do?!

well this ain't done by a long shot...they are all taking a breather right now. aTm is still deciding whether to go to the s.e.c. or not.  Texas is still trying to figure out how to shed Tx Tech by hopefully getting them into the mtn west conference so that would free up texas to head to what is currently the big10. worst case scenario they start this longhorn network they have been trying and ride out the current big 12 setup. This way Texas can save face (and get what they want) and say they did everything they could to save the big 12 but other teams wanted it to end...i.e. nebraska/colorado/aTm/TxTech

How does the Big 10 network make its money?  Are they making money of the Jonny Utahs in Boston paying Verizon 29 cents a month (involuntarily) for the network?

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/11533/big-ten-network-officially-a-cash-cow

Thanks for the link PBR.  But I was wondering more specifically that if I get the Big 10 network in Boston, what other parts of the country pay to get the BTN as a part of their package?  And why hasn't the SEC come up with a network for football games at least?  I assume it is because the SEC already has enough deals with major networks and agreed to limit football games to those stations?  I mean, if people in Boston have to pay for the BTN, wouldn't the SEC or ACC have some juice if they came up with a network?

I'll admit, of the 800 channels I get, I could do without 700 of them, but I do like the BTN, especially for the football coverage and inside stories of training camps and offseason workout programs.  They also have some good historical stuff on the football programs in the league.

I would agree.

[PBR...]

Now that the Big 12 has 10 teams, while the Big Ten (which didn't deign to change names with 11) has 12, I'll be intrigued on name changes.  A (totally confusing) swap?

While the Big Ten could sort of justify no change (in any given sport, it is rare to have more than 5-6 'Big' teams, much less Ten), but the Big 12 seems to be in a bind.  Big 10 is already taken (unless they cede it).  I suppose the Big Ten could go historical and once again become the Western Conference, but that would be rather confusing geographically (and might get a lawsuit from the WAC).  What to do?!

well this ain't done by a long shot...they are all taking a breather right now. aTm is still deciding whether to go to the s.e.c. or not.  Texas is still trying to figure out how to shed Tx Tech by hopefully getting them into the mtn west conference so that would free up texas to head to what is currently the big10. worst case scenario they start this longhorn network they have been trying and ride out the current big 12 setup. This way Texas can save face (and get what they want) and say they did everything they could to save the big 12 but other teams wanted it to end...i.e. nebraska/colorado/aTm/TxTech

How does the Big 10 network make its money?  Are they making money of the Jonny Utahs in Boston paying Verizon 29 cents a month (involuntarily) for the network?

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/11533/big-ten-network-officially-a-cash-cow

Thanks for the link PBR.  But I was wondering more specifically that if I get the Big 10 network in Boston, what other parts of the country pay to get the BTN as a part of their package?  And why hasn't the SEC come up with a network for football games at least?  I assume it is because the SEC already has enough deals with major networks and agreed to limit football games to those stations?  I mean, if people in Boston have to pay for the BTN, wouldn't the SEC or ACC have some juice if they came up with a network?

I'll admit, of the 800 channels I get, I could do without 700 of them, but I do like the BTN, especially for the football coverage and inside stories of training camps and offseason workout programs.  They also have some good historical stuff on the football programs in the league.

espn has a 15 year contract for all the s.e.c. games. they show them on all the channels. so that plus the s.e.c. gets huge licensing fees so that exclusive contract/fees count for a healthy payout to the s.e.c. schools. 2nd only to the BTN right now. No one was really sure how the BTN would play out and the s.e.c. figured they would take the money on the table vs. the unknown of starting your own network. Sure they wouldnt mind taking that back now but they are still making good money. Everyone gets the BTN as part of the package, the only problem holdout was comcast who wanted to put it in their sports tier package and charge more for it but the BTN  wouldnt budge and eventually all the subscriber pressure on comcast made them cave in and cut a deal w/ the BTN

[Jonny Utah]

Now that the Big 12 has 10 teams, while the Big Ten (which didn't deign to change names with 11) has 12, I'll be intrigued on name changes.  A (totally confusing) swap?

While the Big Ten could sort of justify no change (in any given sport, it is rare to have more than 5-6 'Big' teams, much less Ten), but the Big 12 seems to be in a bind.  Big 10 is already taken (unless they cede it).  I suppose the Big Ten could go historical and once again become the Western Conference, but that would be rather confusing geographically (and might get a lawsuit from the WAC).  What to do?!

well this ain't done by a long shot...they are all taking a breather right now. aTm is still deciding whether to go to the s.e.c. or not.  Texas is still trying to figure out how to shed Tx Tech by hopefully getting them into the mtn west conference so that would free up texas to head to what is currently the big10. worst case scenario they start this longhorn network they have been trying and ride out the current big 12 setup. This way Texas can save face (and get what they want) and say they did everything they could to save the big 12 but other teams wanted it to end...i.e. nebraska/colorado/aTm/TxTech

How does the Big 10 network make its money?  Are they making money of the Jonny Utahs in Boston paying Verizon 29 cents a month (involuntarily) for the network?

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/11533/big-ten-network-officially-a-cash-cow

Thanks for the link PBR.  But I was wondering more specifically that if I get the Big 10 network in Boston, what other parts of the country pay to get the BTN as a part of their package?  And why hasn't the SEC come up with a network for football games at least?  I assume it is because the SEC already has enough deals with major networks and agreed to limit football games to those stations?  I mean, if people in Boston have to pay for the BTN, wouldn't the SEC or ACC have some juice if they came up with a network?

I'll admit, of the 800 channels I get, I could do without 700 of them, but I do like the BTN, especially for the football coverage and inside stories of training camps and offseason workout programs.  They also have some good historical stuff on the football programs in the league.

espn has a 15 year contract for all the s.e.c. games. they show them on all the channels. so that plus the s.e.c. gets huge licensing fees so that exclusive contract/fees count for a healthy payout to the s.e.c. schools. 2nd only to the BTN right now. No one was really sure how the BTN would play out and the s.e.c. figured they would take the money on the table vs. the unknown of starting your own network. Sure they wouldnt mind taking that back now but they are still making good money. Everyone gets the BTN as part of the package, the only problem holdout was comcast who wanted to put it in their sports tier package and charge more for it but the BTN  wouldnt budge and eventually all the subscriber pressure on comcast made them cave in and cut a deal w/ the BTN

Ah so the BTN is making money off the cable/monopoly situation.

[Doid23]

well this ain't done by a long shot...they are all taking a breather right now. aTm is still deciding whether to go to the s.e.c. or not.  Texas is still trying to figure out how to shed Tx Tech by hopefully getting them into the mtn west conference so that would free up texas to head to what is currently the big10. worst case scenario they start this longhorn network they have been trying and ride out the current big 12 setup. This way Texas can save face (and get what they want) and say they did everything they could to save the big 12 but other teams wanted it to end...i.e. nebraska/colorado/aTm/TxTech

Actually, I think this is done, at least from Texas' standpoint. There was a TON of political pressure put on the individual schools to not bolt to the Pac 10. I think Texas got exactly what they wanted, more money, the ability to have their own TV network, along with a better Fox deal. Nebraska had always chafed at the influence of Texas in the Big 12, and Colorado was an outlier anyway (kind of like Mizzou, who now realizes that they never really had much value in the open market). Personally, I think the Pac 10 took Colorado early so that they wouldn't have to take Baylor, and it backfired. Baylor holds a lot of clout around here, and they take their football seriously in Texas.

Now, someone make the right decision and rename the Big 12 the Southwest Conference, and bring Arkansas back.  And keep the Big Ten name forever, even if they have 29 schools. And while there at it, rename the Ravens the Colts, and then... OK, now I'm rambling...

[TheGrove]

well this ain't done by a long shot...they are all taking a breather right now. aTm is still deciding whether to go to the s.e.c. or not.  Texas is still trying to figure out how to shed Tx Tech by hopefully getting them into the mtn west conference so that would free up texas to head to what is currently the big10. worst case scenario they start this longhorn network they have been trying and ride out the current big 12 setup. This way Texas can save face (and get what they want) and say they did everything they could to save the big 12 but other teams wanted it to end...i.e. nebraska/colorado/aTm/TxTech

Actually, I think this is done, at least from Texas' standpoint. There was a TON of political pressure put on the individual schools to not bolt to the Pac 10. I think Texas got exactly what they wanted, more money, the ability to have their own TV network, along with a better Fox deal. Nebraska had always chafed at the influence of Texas in the Big 12, and Colorado was an outlier anyway (kind of like Mizzou, who now realizes that they never really had much value in the open market). Personally, I think the Pac 10 took Colorado early so that they wouldn't have to take Baylor, and it backfired. Baylor holds a lot of clout around here, and they take their football seriously in Texas.

Now, someone make the right decision and rename the Big 12 the Southwest Conference, and bring Arkansas back.  And keep the Big Ten name forever, even if they have 29 schools. And while there at it, rename the Ravens the Colts, and then... OK, now I'm rambling...

Baltimoron??