FB: Liberty League

[dlippiel]

Interesting. Last time I posted something (until tonight) was a Thanksgiving greeting. I come back tonight from reading posts this morning and I've been dinged not just one, but two karma points.

Someone is bitter.

dlip will try to help Rev! +k dlip hopes you and your family had and enjoyable Thanksgiving and wishes you the same for Christmas (if you celebrate it  ).

[mattvsmith]

dlip will try to help Rev! +k dlip hopes you and your family had and enjoyable Thanksgiving and wishes you the same for Christmas (if you celebrate it  ).

The Rev went over to E8 and spread some Karma cheer for the SJF guys because that's how The Rev rolls.
+K to you, too.

[Frank Rossi]

Congratulations to Justin Gallo, D3football.com's East Region Offensive Player of the Year.  It's a well-deserved accolade for such a tremendous player.

[dlippiel]

Congratulations to Justin Gallo, D3football.com's East Region Offensive Player of the Year.  It's a well-deserved accolade for such a tremendous player.

dlip concurrs, Justin was simply unstoppable this season! He was the type of player that, as a coach, if you called for single coverage on him, you probably should lose your job! Congrats Justin, what an excellent season and career at Union College!

[clandfan]

Ok, I stand corrected from my fan poll post. I will defer to those who have seen Gallo play.  Congrats.

[Doid23]

Interesting. Last time I posted something (until tonight) was a Thanksgiving greeting. I come back tonight from reading posts this morning and I've been dinged not just one, but two karma points.

Someone is bitter.

+K Rev, and a belated +K to the board (the few that remain that is) for Thanksgiving.

[dlippiel]

Ok, I stand corrected from my fan poll post. I will defer to those who have seen Gallo play.  Congrats.

No need to stand corrected cland, +k, dlip is sure that there are some others who are just as deserving of this honor. Pitcher was quite ****ing good in dlip's humble opinion! Honestly though, dlip does believe Gallo is just as deserving as any possible recipiant.

In watching Union football, East Region football, for well over 20 years, dlip can't say he has seen a better receiver. One whom everyone on the field knew was getting the ball, and yet, were simply unable to do a damn thing about it. Granted, Andrew Connelly deserves some credit for this, but, Justin's ability to create seperation from his defenders, find open space, and catch most anything thrown his way was, simply special!!

[Bombers798891]

Ok, I stand corrected from my fan poll post. I will defer to those who have seen Gallo play.  Congrats.

No need to stand corrected cland, +k, dlip is sure that there are some others who are just as deserving of this honor. Pitcher was quite ****ing good in dlip's humble opinion! Honestly though, dlip does believe Gallo is just as deserving as any possible recipiant.

In watching Union football, East Region football, for well over 20 years, dlip can't say he has seen a better receiver. One whom everyone on the field knew was getting the ball, and yet, were simply unable to do a damn thing about it. Granted, Andrew Connelly deserves some credit for this, but, Justin's ability to create seperation from his defenders, find open space, and catch most anything thrown his way was, simply special!!

I'd probably put Gallo tied for 3rd, as I think both Pitcher and D'Andrea had better years, but Justin had a great season

[Frank Rossi]

Ok, I stand corrected from my fan poll post. I will defer to those who have seen Gallo play.  Congrats.

No need to stand corrected cland, +k, dlip is sure that there are some others who are just as deserving of this honor. Pitcher was quite ****ing good in dlip's humble opinion! Honestly though, dlip does believe Gallo is just as deserving as any possible recipiant.

In watching Union football, East Region football, for well over 20 years, dlip can't say he has seen a better receiver. One whom everyone on the field knew was getting the ball, and yet, were simply unable to do a damn thing about it. Granted, Andrew Connelly deserves some credit for this, but, Justin's ability to create seperation from his defenders, find open space, and catch most anything thrown his way was, simply special!!

I'd probably put Gallo tied for 3rd, as I think both Pitcher and D'Andrea had better years, but Justin had a great season

Not just homering this one, but you're off a bit.  First, D'Andrea and Gallo had the same number of touchdowns (16) in the same number of games (10).  Here's the difference:  Gallo gets far less touches than D'Andrea since he's a WR.  In fact, Gallo was tied for third nationally in scoring for WRs -- D'Andrea was much deeper down the list for RBs.  Gallo was also stifled by elements in the St. Lawrence game -- the weather was incredibly impossible (worst conditions I've witnessed in a game personally in 17 seasons of calling them).

Don't get me wrong, though -- I saw D'Andrea play against TCNJ, and he's an impressive back.  It's just something you have to take a step back and look at when you compare receivers and backs just based on pure numbers.  Throw in the accolades dlip added, and it only backs up the case here.

Next, the question of QBs is a big one.  Pitcher had blockbuster numbers, but Hermann was actually better if you look at the dual threat he posed.  Yet, both of them suffered the same problem -- winning big games consistently.  There's only one QB on the field.  There are 2-5 receivers.  There are 2-3 running backs.  I think the onus is placed on them to win for these accolades more than any other position.  Cortland's schedule is a little watered down once you get past Montclair, Kean and Rowan in the NJAC (I'm not ignoring Cortaca, I'm concentrating on NJAC games).  He went 1-2 in those games.  Hermann went 1-2 in big league games for RPI (WPI, Union, Hobart).  I think if either had gone 2-1, we would've seen them supplant Gallo.

[clandfan]

Lets see Frank, we conveniently throw in blizzard conditions for Gallo, but throw out Cortaca for Pitcher.  We call the NJAC watered down like the LL is so much stronger.  Hermann is a good dual threat QB but his total yardage is less than Pitcher, his pass efficiency is less, total TDs and points responsible for are less.  His winning percentage is less.  Not sure I buy your argument.

[Frank Rossi]

Lets see Frank, we conveniently throw in blizzard conditions for Gallo, but throw out Cortaca for Pitcher.  We call the NJAC watered down like the LL is so much stronger.  Hermann is a good dual threat QB but his total yardage is less than Pitcher, his pass efficiency is less, total TDs and points responsible for are less.  His winning percentage is less.  Not sure I buy your argument.

Running QBs end up with less yardage by the nature of the run.  It wasn't a blizzard... It was a torrential rainstorm with swirling wind during the entire game -- receivers couldn't look up because the rain pelted them so bad.  What were the conditions for Cortaca?  And I brought to the front the key games for each team in their respective conference and showed the 1-2 records in those games.  Just sayin'...

[Bombers798891]

Lets see Frank, we conveniently throw in blizzard conditions for Gallo, but throw out Cortaca for Pitcher.  We call the NJAC watered down like the LL is so much stronger.  Hermann is a good dual threat QB but his total yardage is less than Pitcher, his pass efficiency is less, total TDs and points responsible for are less.  His winning percentage is less.  Not sure I buy your argument.

Running QBs end up with less yardage by the nature of the run.  It wasn't a blizzard... It was a torrential rainstorm with swirling wind during the entire game -- receivers couldn't look up because the rain pelted them so bad.  What were the conditions for Cortaca?  And I brought to the front the key games for each team in their respective conference and showed the 1-2 records in those games.  Just sayin'...

What was Union's record in "key conference games"? The only other team in the LL to have a winning record beat Union by 17 points. It's pretty hard to have key conference games when your conference has one good team in it...

Also, the two teams had a common opponent. Cortland beat them, badly, on the road. Union lost to them (not as badly as the score would indicate, but still) at home.

Just sayin...

[Frank Rossi]

Lets see Frank, we conveniently throw in blizzard conditions for Gallo, but throw out Cortaca for Pitcher.  We call the NJAC watered down like the LL is so much stronger.  Hermann is a good dual threat QB but his total yardage is less than Pitcher, his pass efficiency is less, total TDs and points responsible for are less.  His winning percentage is less.  Not sure I buy your argument.

Running QBs end up with less yardage by the nature of the run.  It wasn't a blizzard... It was a torrential rainstorm with swirling wind during the entire game -- receivers couldn't look up because the rain pelted them so bad.  What were the conditions for Cortaca?  And I brought to the front the key games for each team in their respective conference and showed the 1-2 records in those games.  Just sayin'...

What was Union's record in "key conference games"? The only other team in the LL to have a winning record beat Union by 17 points. It's pretty hard to have key conference games when your conference has one good team in it...

Also, the two teams had a common opponent. Cortland beat them, badly, on the road. Union lost to them (not as badly as the score would indicate, but still) at home.

Just sayin...

It's not Union's QB that was up for the honor.  WRs don't touch the ball every down or every other down.  The logic isn't too hard here.  I explained why QBs might not get selected.  Oh, by the way, Union was 5-1 in the LL.  So, I'm not really sure your logic follows well there, either.

[Bombers798891]

Lets see Frank, we conveniently throw in blizzard conditions for Gallo, but throw out Cortaca for Pitcher.  We call the NJAC watered down like the LL is so much stronger.  Hermann is a good dual threat QB but his total yardage is less than Pitcher, his pass efficiency is less, total TDs and points responsible for are less.  His winning percentage is less.  Not sure I buy your argument.

Running QBs end up with less yardage by the nature of the run.  It wasn't a blizzard... It was a torrential rainstorm with swirling wind during the entire game -- receivers couldn't look up because the rain pelted them so bad.  What were the conditions for Cortaca?  And I brought to the front the key games for each team in their respective conference and showed the 1-2 records in those games.  Just sayin'...

What was Union's record in "key conference games"? The only other team in the LL to have a winning record beat Union by 17 points. It's pretty hard to have key conference games when your conference has one good team in it...

Also, the two teams had a common opponent. Cortland beat them, badly, on the road. Union lost to them (not as badly as the score would indicate, but still) at home.

Just sayin...

It's not Union's QB that was up for the honor.  WRs don't touch the ball every down or every other down.  The logic isn't too hard here.  I explained why QBs might not get selected.  Oh, by the way, Union was 5-1 in the LL.  So, I'm not really sure your logic follows well there, either.

Yeah, and not-surprisingly, the "1" came in the only conference game they played against a team that finished with a winning record. It's not exactly a "key" game when the teams are below average and none of them have a shot at winning the conference crown.

Babin's numbers were just as good as Gallo's, BTW, so the argument for Pitcher based on SOS could easily be applied to him.

[dlippiel]

This is getting ridiculous, mother****ers are just crying here over spilled milk. Please stop the bitching. Listen, there are definitely a few other players who could have received this honor. Yet, dlip can say, with confidence, that any astute football fan who watched Justin play, would concurr, that he was as, or more, dominate than any other player in the region.

Bombers lets go ****in easy on the Union bashing. To dlip, if they played IC at the end of the year, the result would have been much different than than the first time.