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[Jonny Utah]

I'm pretty sure Fisher would play Michigan State if they were allowed to.

Good thing Fisher didn't play Michigan State today.

Imagine what Air Force would do to SJF.......

[Jonny Utah]

Union can't catch a break either.....

[boobyhasgameyo]

I'm pretty sure Fisher would play Michigan State if they were allowed to.

Good thing Fisher didn't play Michigan State today.

Imagine what Air Force would do to SJF.......

Ha!  I bet Air Force would beat them by a wider margin than Michigan State. 

[lewdogg11]

I know i've said this in the past and the Union people have scoffed at me out of their blind loyalty...But at what point is there enough embarrassment to actually think maybe there is a need for change with the coaching staff?  My feelings for Audino have never been hidden and i've always pulled for their failures, but now this is just affecting the league in such a negative way.  The LL used to have 3 teams that could compete against anyone in the East.  Union has lost 14 OOC games since 2010.  That is just awful and embarrassing.  This year is starting to look like it might reach a new low. 

[Bombers798891]

I know i've said this in the past and the Union people have scoffed at me out of their blind loyalty...But at what point is there enough embarrassment to actually think maybe there is a need for change with the coaching staff?  My feelings for Audino have never been hidden and i've always pulled for their failures, but now this is just affecting the league in such a negative way.  The LL used to have 3 teams that could compete against anyone in the East.  Union has lost 14 OOC games since 2010.  That is just awful and embarrassing.  This year is starting to look like it might reach a new low.

Not knowing any of the behind-the-scenes stuff, I kind of think you have a point. I mean, yes they contended for the LL title in 2011/2012, but 1-14 OOC is just dreadful. So if they're now struggling in conference too...

[ITH radio]

Going to address this on the show tonight, among other topics.

[dlippiel]

I know i've said this in the past and the Union people have scoffed at me out of their blind loyalty...But at what point is there enough embarrassment to actually think maybe there is a need for change with the coaching staff?  My feelings for Audino have never been hidden and i've always pulled for their failures, but now this is just affecting the league in such a negative way.  The LL used to have 3 teams that could compete against anyone in the East.  Union has lost 14 OOC games since 2010.  That is just awful and embarrassing.  This year is starting to look like it might reach a new low.

dlip has blind loyalty to Coach Audino for sure. With that being said this is and has to be, when looking at the results that past four/five seasons, a fair question for many to at least ask. Dlip will not scoff at anyone for asking this question.

[dlippiel]

dlip's write-up of Union's loss to Springfield and some of the questions it poses for the Dutchmen moving forward:

www.dlipthedutchman.blogspot.com

[dlippiel]

I know i've said this in the past and the Union people have scoffed at me out of their blind loyalty...But at what point is there enough embarrassment to actually think maybe there is a need for change with the coaching staff?  My feelings for Audino have never been hidden and i've always pulled for their failures, but now this is just affecting the league in such a negative way.  The LL used to have 3 teams that could compete against anyone in the East.  Union has lost 14 OOC games since 2010.  That is just awful and embarrassing.  This year is starting to look like it might reach a new low.

dlip has blind loyalty to Coach Audino for sure. With that being said this is and has to be, when looking at the results that past four/five seasons, a fair question for many to at least ask. slip will not scoff at anyone for asking this question.

However with that said Dlip is sure Union would not want to emulate the debacle that was the recent coaching carrousel at RPI. To Dlip RPI got exactly what it deserved for ****ting on someone as successful as Coach King. Dlip hopes for sure that if there ever is a day when something changes with Audino that The Union community would treat Audino with the utmost respect for all the great things he has done for Union Football.

Dlip also believes that to sit back and think that all of Union's struggles have to do with coaching is quite naive and shortsighted. The tundra that is DIII football has changed quite a bit in the past two decades. With a ton of DIII teams, a D1AA school right down the street, and as well as the growth of New England teams making FB more of a priority recruiting has is now an entirely different monster. Plus don't even get Dlip going on the amount of resources and prioritization a non scholarship D1 men's and women's hockey program takes. It changes the complete focus of an academic institutions athletic resources.

[Boxer7806]

I know i've said this in the past and the Union people have scoffed at me out of their blind loyalty...But at what point is there enough embarrassment to actually think maybe there is a need for change with the coaching staff?  My feelings for Audino have never been hidden and i've always pulled for their failures, but now this is just affecting the league in such a negative way.  The LL used to have 3 teams that could compete against anyone in the East.  Union has lost 14 OOC games since 2010.  That is just awful and embarrassing.  This year is starting to look like it might reach a new low.

dlip has blind loyalty to Coach Audino for sure. With that being said this is and has to be, when looking at the results that past four/five seasons, a fair question for many to at least ask. slip will not scoff at anyone for asking this question.

However with that said Dlip is sure Union would not want to emulate the debacle that was the recent coaching carrousel at RPI. To Dlip RPI got exactly what it deserved for ****ting on someone as successful as Coach King. Dlip hopes for sure that if there ever is a day when something changes with Audino that The Union community would treat Audino with the utmost respect for all the great things he has done for Union Football.

Dlip also believes that to sit back and think that all of Union's struggles have to do with coaching is quite naive and shortsighted. The tundra that is DIII football has changed quite a bit in the past two decades. With a ton of DIII teams, a D1AA school right down the street, and as well as the growth of New England teams making FB more of a priority recruiting has is now an entirely different monster. Plus don't even get Dlip going on the amount of resources and prioritization a non scholarship D1 men's and women's hockey program takes. It changes the complete focus of an academic institutions athletic resources.

With Union out of the race, who is the the challenger to Hobart? Is it St. Lawrence? I just can't get a feel for St. Lawrence... they go from winning the league (granted only a .500 team) to two years later going 0-10 then to last year going 7-3. The Morrisville win is looking better now then it did 3 weeks ago but at the same time they lost to Norwich who isn't even the best team in the ECFC. Springfield looks good, but again they lost to WNEC to open up the year, but I have a strange feeling that they are going to give Hobart fits this week. Then you have RPI who has killed the weaklings but lost a close one to Alfred who just lost to Hartwick and Ithaca (no shame in that). I'm just ranting here, but I have a weird feeling one of these three teams is going to take down Hobart and its going to make the East a freaking mess come playoff time. I'm not mad about it, just really intrigued by the parity in the east this year, especially after seeing Salisbury take down the East's best chance at keeping a Mount Union in the North bracket.

[ITH radio]

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ith/2014/10/05/in-the-huddlle--liberty-league-football-talk-show

Check out the podcast for discussion around mid season grades, among other topics in the LL, E8 and NJAC

[lewdogg11]

I know i've said this in the past and the Union people have scoffed at me out of their blind loyalty...But at what point is there enough embarrassment to actually think maybe there is a need for change with the coaching staff?  My feelings for Audino have never been hidden and i've always pulled for their failures, but now this is just affecting the league in such a negative way.  The LL used to have 3 teams that could compete against anyone in the East.  Union has lost 14 OOC games since 2010.  That is just awful and embarrassing.  This year is starting to look like it might reach a new low.

dlip has blind loyalty to Coach Audino for sure. With that being said this is and has to be, when looking at the results that past four/five seasons, a fair question for many to at least ask. slip will not scoff at anyone for asking this question.

However with that said Dlip is sure Union would not want to emulate the debacle that was the recent coaching carrousel at RPI. To Dlip RPI got exactly what it deserved for ****ting on someone as successful as Coach King. Dlip hopes for sure that if there ever is a day when something changes with Audino that The Union community would treat Audino with the utmost respect for all the great things he has done for Union Football.

Dlip also believes that to sit back and think that all of Union's struggles have to do with coaching is quite naive and shortsighted. The tundra that is DIII football has changed quite a bit in the past two decades. With a ton of DIII teams, a D1AA school right down the street, and as well as the growth of New England teams making FB more of a priority recruiting has is now an entirely different monster. Plus don't even get Dlip going on the amount of resources and prioritization a non scholarship D1 men's and women's hockey program takes. It changes the complete focus of an academic institutions athletic resources.

You are a tough one to nail down.  You weren't a football player.  You aren't a Union grad.  You're just a doid Super Fan.  It's admirable to a degree, I just don't understand the loyalty to Audino on your end, unless there is a more personal side to the story that I am unaware of.  Typically a super fan wants success for the program.  Union College football has not been a success story for a lot of years.  Winning games in the LL is no great feat.  They have been unable to win outside of the conference.  And your comments about the hockey program should actually benefit the program.  They were the NATIONAL CHAMPS last year.  A tiny school in upstate NY now has a name and can use that as a recruiting tool.  Maybe they will in the future.

RPI has had a rough few years trying to get some stability after some major flubs by the Administration, but maybe, just maybe, they have that stability and have found the right guy for the job.  They look like a different team on the field from what I can see.(the new uniforms are dope too)  Any issues from alumni regarding Coach King were due to results on the field and wanting better.  The Administration handled it extremely poorly, but in the long run, it's very likely that it was time for both sides to move on.

I know if I were a Union fan, i'd be ready for a change(long overdue).  As a Union hater, I love the failures, but for love of the League, they need to get better.  If they didn't win a LL game and only beat Utica and Ithaca, I'd probably be ok with that but it's just not happening.

[dlippiel]

Lew not going to argue with anything you just said. It makes sense. Dlip and his old man have this discussion daily. Dlip always tends to sit somewhere in the middle, hence his previous comments of not blaming anyone for asking these questions. You know it's funny Dlip is REALLY enjoying RPI's early season success and hopes they keep it up. He also concurs on the uniforms. ****in snazzy!

[ITH radio]

I think what's keeping Union fans on Audino's side is his longstanding service and dedication to the school. He's a great guy and, at least in the case of this season, is that the losses were all very close (TD or less) and to good teams (combined 16-3 mark). That said if they go 3-4 in the LL (or worse), like last season, there's not much to support the "tougher schedule" argument. The playoff absence is since 2005 is looking like it'll extend to 10 years which is pretty hard to believe.

It would only help the league is Union returned to form, but it doesn't seem like that's happening in 2014. Unless HOB is toppled, either SC, SLU or RPI are fighting for 8-2 and maybe 2-3 of them get an ECAC game.

It would really be big if the Dutchmen can take out WNEC to break the OOC loss streak. Still, this season looks like 5-5 best case, and I am not convinced they will beat the Golden Eagles or RPI for that matter.

[boobyhasgameyo]

I think what's keeping Union fans on Audino's side is his longstanding service and dedication to the school. He's a great guy and, at least in the case of this season, is that the losses were all very close (TD or less) and to good teams (combined 16-3 mark). That said if they go 3-4 in the LL (or worse), like last season, there's not much to support the "tougher schedule" argument. The playoff absence is since 2005 is looking like it'll extend to 10 years which is pretty hard to believe.

It would only help the league is Union returned to form, but it doesn't seem like that's happening in 2014. Unless HOB is toppled, either SC, SLU or RPI are fighting for 8-2 and maybe 2-3 of them get an ECAC game.

It would really be big if the Dutchmen can take out WNEC to break the OOC loss streak. Still, this season looks like 5-5 best case, and I am not convinced they will beat the Golden Eagles or RPI for that matter.

Minor correction - but they at least made the playoffs in 2006.  I remember Fisher playing them in the 1st round that year.