FB: Liberty League

[Bartman]

I saw the bang bang TD play live from the goal line and from what I saw the refs got it right.... The Saints needed to put the game away and didn't. They Still will probably move on with win against MMA and hopefully will get a competitive first round game . Frankly , having seen all three live in the last few weeks, there is very little separating SLU , RPI and Hobart when they play their best ball.

[Bartman]

For the first time, we have to discuss the second tiebreaker instead of the third tiebreaker if Union and USMMA beat RPI and SLU, respectively, and Hobart beats Rochester.  After head-to-head comes:

"2.    Comparison of records between tied institutions beginning with the lowest conference finisher and continuing through the highest conference finisher.  If more than two teams are tied, at the point one team has been eliminated, revert back to step 1 (head-to-head results)."

The three teams would have lost to different LL teams for their other LL loss.  Specifically, RPI's loss to Union, under this scenario, would eliminate RPI.  As such, we revert back to head-to-head between Hobart and SLU, which goes to Hobart.

Therefore, Hobart wins the LL by beating Rochester and hoping for Union and USMMA to win next week.  We do not reach the third tiebreaker like we used to when three teams each had one league loss.

Apologies for any confusion prior guidance may have caused.

Frank, thanks for the clarification, but I think the Saints SID is confused based on the 11/6 news release on D3 Football.com:

"The St. Lawrence University Football team heads to Hobart with a chance to clinch the regular-season Liberty League title as well as the automatic bid to the NCAA Division III Playoffs. The two teams met last year under similar circumstances only in 2015 St. Lawrence is the only team on the field with a chance to win the league title and the NCAA bid."

Hmmmm...the only team  on the field with a chance to win the league title and the NCAA bid.....this motivated a few of the Statesmen on Saturday ...thanks to the Saints SID.....who then posted the Saints loss was based on "a questionable call"....the only thing that is questionable is the SID's credibility.

Bad Karma for the Saints against the Mariners caused by the SID? 

[jknezek]

Between you and the ASC guys you like to parse words way too much. SLU was the only team that could clinch that day. Are you really that upset that he left off "that day" when discussing on the field?

Blows my mind how hard people can look for slights.

[Bartman]

Between you and the ASC guys you like to parse words way too much. SLU was the only team that could clinch that day. Are you really that upset that he left off "that day" when discussing on the field?

Blows my mind how hard people can look for slights.

Language is important, that is why I still favor the GPA of the starters as a tie breaker. However, the benefit of the doubt is yielded as that may have been the intent.  Forgiving is good for the soul.....but I am still hoping for the trifecta.....Statesmen, Mariners and Dutchmen wins...........the reward will be the Raiders 
  Oh, and I will check myself in for slighting therapy...I think you may have a point +k for your help

[ITH radio]

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ith/2015/11/09/in-the-huddlle--liberty-league-football-talk-show

[D O.C.]

Like the GPA as a tie breaker.
So should NCAA.

[bman]

Between you and the ASC guys you like to parse words way too much. SLU was the only team that could clinch that day. Are you really that upset that he left off "that day" when discussing on the field?

Blows my mind how hard people can look for slights.

jknezek....I know you have been on the WIAC board....the granddaddy of them all???

[jknezek]

Between you and the ASC guys you like to parse words way too much. SLU was the only team that could clinch that day. Are you really that upset that he left off "that day" when discussing on the field?

Blows my mind how hard people can look for slights.

jknezek....I know you have been on the WIAC board....the granddaddy of them all???

For the UWW guys I think it's just a case of anything anyone else says that isn't "you're the greatest ever" is a slight. They can tell each other a more honest assessment but coming from outside isn't really allowed. That being said, for close to a decade "you're the greatest" has worked for them and been pretty correct, so I think a lot of it is simply they need a way to stay engaged while rolling along most years.

[John McGraw]

From the local fish wrap up in Watertown in re: Saturday's game between Hobart and St. Lawrence

http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/sports/college-football-officiating-crew-suspended-after-calls-in-st-lawrence-game-video-20151112

CANTON — The seven men who worked as officials at last Saturday's St. Lawrence University football game against Hobart in Geneva will not work another game until next season.

Information obtained by the Times revealed that the crew who worked SLU's controversial 19-17 loss to the Statesmen has been suspended for the final week of the regular season.

[ITH radio]

Seems extreme to me but it's in the record books now.

[dlippiel]

From the local fish wrap up in Watertown in re: Saturday's game between Hobart and St. Lawrence

http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/sports/college-football-officiating-crew-suspended-after-calls-in-st-lawrence-game-video-20151112

CANTON — The seven men who worked as officials at last Saturday's St. Lawrence University football game against Hobart in Geneva will not work another game until next season.

Information obtained by the Times revealed that the crew who worked SLU's controversial 19-17 loss to the Statesmen has been suspended for the final week of the regular season.

Let dlip preface this statement by saying that he would never and probably could never be a good football official. He feels it is a very difficult job...with that said having watched D3 3 football for three decades IDHO BIG mistakes are made at almost every game dlip has seen. It has been very few and far between that dlip has witnessed officiating consistency on the D3 level. Officials are often out of position, overweight (unable to keep up or move out of the way, and generally ****ing clueless...

The questions dlip has are: What are they paid (meaning you get what you pay for usually)? How much training and/or certification do they need? What is the process of their evaluations if there are any?

Again, dlip is not trying to be a dick and pick on officials, he couldn't do the job. However if we are going to begin holding them accountable to the point where they can be suspended dlip feels answers to some of the questions he posed are important.

Plus dlip thinks Raymond just went ballistic and that's maybe why we are seeing this. dlip said it before and he'll say it again, he likes both SLU and Bart very much but he feels that if it was truly SLU's year they would have handled a two loss Hobart team thoroughly and not let the game come down to these calls in question.

[Jonny Utah]

From the local fish wrap up in Watertown in re: Saturday's game between Hobart and St. Lawrence

http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/sports/college-football-officiating-crew-suspended-after-calls-in-st-lawrence-game-video-20151112

CANTON — The seven men who worked as officials at last Saturday's St. Lawrence University football game against Hobart in Geneva will not work another game until next season.

Information obtained by the Times revealed that the crew who worked SLU's controversial 19-17 loss to the Statesmen has been suspended for the final week of the regular season.

Let dlip preface this statement by saying that he would never and probably could never be a good football official. He feels it is a very difficult job...with that said having watched D3 3 football for three decades IDHO BIG mistakes are made at almost every game dlip has seen. It has been very few and far between that dlip has witnessed officiating consistency on the D3 level. Officials are often out of position, overweight (unable to keep up or move out of the way, and generally ****ing clueless...

The questions dlip has are: What are they paid (meaning you get what you pay for usually)? How much training and/or certification do they need? What is the process of their evaluations if there are any?

Again, dlip is not trying to be a dick and pick on officials, he couldn't do the job. However if we are going to begin holding them accountable to the point where they can be suspended dlip feels answers to some of the questions he posed are important.

Plus dlip thinks Raymond just went ballistic and that's maybe why we are seeing this. dlip said it before and he'll say it again, he likes both SLU and Bart very much but he feels that if it was truly SLU's year they would have handled a two loss Hobart team thoroughly and not let the game come down to these calls in question.

Not sure what replay would have done with that last catch.  It looks impossible to tell who ended up catching the ball from that film anyway.  Looks like they should have pretty much let them battle it out on the ground for possession.  Dual possession?  That's lame.

But it seems the bigger issue was when they said 16 out of 20 calls were reviewed and found out to be wrong?  That is bad.

Back in Cortaca 1997, I had a TD called back due to some phantom holding call on a fricking bootleg on an interior lineman.  I'm still pissed to this day about that one.  Refs are useless!!!!

Rant over.

[Jonny Utah]

And Kevin Morris' name was being thrown around on the NESCAC board for the next Williams coach, I see he did coach at Union and Albany as well although I don't know where he is from.

Could he be Union's head coach next year?

[ITH radio]

Aside from Hobart being flagged 6 more times than SLU, saints had advantages in TOP (about 5 mins), turnovers (+1) and field position.

Carey says 16 plays were pointed out as "bad calls" so does that mean those included plays that didn't go Hobart's way (like the no TD call at end of 1st half)?

Regardless I hate when good games end up being called into question bc of officiating. SLU had their chances in this one and should have probably handled a two loss LL team like dlip said.

[Jonny Utah]

Aside from Hobart being flagged 6 more times than SLU, saints had advantages in TOP (about 5 mins), turnovers (+1) and field position.

Carey says 16 plays were pointed out as "bad calls" so does that mean those included plays that didn't go Hobart's way (like the no TD call at end of 1st half)?

Regardless I hate when good games end up being called into question bc of officiating. SLU had their chances in this one and should have probably handled a two loss LL team like dlip said.

Probably not, it looks like the SLU AD was the one who "appealed" the 20 plays.  I would also love to know if they faulted the refs on those 16?  Even that last disputed call in the endzone looks like it wasn't the wrong call, just not a call the refs usually make.  Was their proof that the SLU player actually had the ball or am I missing something?