FB: Liberty League

[Bartman]

Get over it. Union had a good season. They now have a good coach. I was impressed with how well they played, how hard they played and how quickly the program has turned around. Personally, I say bring Audino and Frank back. I liked when Union was a doormat and pathetic. But this success is good for the league, and it's great for the rivalry. So I guess i'm on board....kinda...

PS - As a Superfan, you should learn your AD's name. George O'Loughlin would be upset with being called John McClaughlin.

Machiavelli....OUT!

OK, let's just begin with the AD...The Union Athletic Director is Jim McLaughlin, Union'93, who was an All American offensive tackle for Union under coach John Audino...whoever George O'Loughlin is is irrelevant but Dlip got the name closer than you did Mach.
I watched the game from the same area as Dlip and really had no problem with the celebration by RPI, whether it was students or the annually present supportive ex-players contingent. I didn't see anything unusual but if Dlip did maybe I missed it. RPI did what they had to do to win the game... Union didn't. Good luck to the Engineers at Wesley. I think they may surprise many people and if they win, celebrate away.

Yikes...Dude... UFanBill scores a -130 on the sarcasm meter...



On a non-sarcastic tip, it would have been very easy for you to gang up about what you saw/didn't see, but I really appreciate the honesty.

FYI - Wesley scares the crap out of me. I think RPI needs to come out and hit, hit and keep hitting. Otherwise, i'd guess the size and speed of Wesley will overwhelm them. If RPI can manage to put a sense of scare and alligator arms into the mix, they might set a tone and be able to dictate the flow of the game. If Wesley comes out flying and gets a 2 score lead early, look out.

OK, I'm amused by Machiavelli....seems to have a similar voice to a past poster .....I did not watch the end of the RPI - Union game because I was not there, nor will I ever be there as a Hobart fan because it would be strange for many reasons....now, dlip is board favorite and jumping on  dlip with a new name like Machiavelli is overly aggressive .....although, I do feel the board could use some healthy sarcasm at times for everyone's amusement......Now back to football , I will be rooting for RPI against Wesley because since Hobart beat RPI, it will make us look good  , ....having said that , for RPI to beat Wesley they have to force the Wolverines into mistakes(penalties/turnovers) and get them flustered since Wesley at their worst can become unhinged and undisciplined(although it is an infrequent occurrence)...Wesley certainly has the better overall athletic talent but they are beatable, even by RPI(although  probably a 9.414% chance)... I think the RPI defense is VERY competitive with a 2.4 YPP against the run and a very opportunistic LB/DB corp with 22 int's...so I think you can stop Wesley..the question is with what frequency ....the second , more difficult task will be to score more points than Wesley with a good but not great offense...the play calling and execution will be critical...But it is possible, and the Engineers are the LL's only hope.....so don't screw it up

[Bartman]

Well Machiavelli or as Dlip points out Lew Dogg or 'gro...whatever...thanks for the complement (I think). As for my ability to recognize sarcasm, you have decided not to post using your previous handle so how am I supposed to know whether you are serious or just ignorant. There's been a lot of ignorance and "fake news" going around lately.  I should have gotten a clue from your new name...Machiavellianism is "the employment of cunning and duplicity in statecraft or in general conduct". Welcome back, oh cunning one. Why are you hiding?

Per the google machine, or the many leather bound books in my library, 'Machiavelli was an Italian war strategist and philosopher who wrote about faking his death to fool his enemies.' It's science.

Or this 

+k rap genius  is science

[Bartman]

Congrats to the 19 Statesmen(most in LL) who were just selected as All LL ..... 10 on First Team(9 Seniors), as well as Shane Sweeney as OPofY......Kyle Hackett , 10-10 in FGs best in the NCAA all divisions.......we will miss all the Seniors and look forward to the reload in 2018

[pumkinattack]

Well Machiavelli or as Dlip points out Lew Dogg or 'gro...whatever...thanks for the complement (I think). As for my ability to recognize sarcasm, you have decided not to post using your previous handle so how am I supposed to know whether you are serious or just ignorant. There's been a lot of ignorance and "fake news" going around lately.  I should have gotten a clue from your new name...Machiavellianism is "the employment of cunning and duplicity in statecraft or in general conduct". Welcome back, oh cunning one. Why are you hiding?

He's not hiding, just old school. 

The video coming out soon will go something like this (with some messed up image of FR in it):

"Grab your glocks when you see LewDogg, call the cops when you see LewDogg"

Per the google machine, or the many leather bound books in my library, 'Machiavelli was an Italian war strategist and philosopher who wrote about faking his death to fool his enemies.' It's science.

Or this 

+k rap genius  is science

[unionpalooza]

No way Mach is Lew or Gro. Those guys were funny, not bitchy.  Reminds me a lot more of redtackle - oh man, he and Frank used to get into the best fights.  It was like watching two sorority girls fight over the last thong in the VS sale bin. 

Well Machiavelli or as Dlip points out Lew Dogg or 'gro...whatever...thanks for the complement (I think). As for my ability to recognize sarcasm, you have decided not to post using your previous handle so how am I supposed to know whether you are serious or just ignorant. There's been a lot of ignorance and "fake news" going around lately.  I should have gotten a clue from your new name...Machiavellianism is "the employment of cunning and duplicity in statecraft or in general conduct". Welcome back, oh cunning one. Why are you hiding?

[Machiavelli]

No way Mach is Lew or Gro. Those guys were funny, not bitchy.  Reminds me a lot more of redtackle - oh man, he and Frank used to get into the best fights.  It was like watching two sorority girls fight over the last thong in the VS sale bin. 

Well Machiavelli or as Dlip points out Lew Dogg or 'gro...whatever...thanks for the complement (I think). As for my ability to recognize sarcasm, you have decided not to post using your previous handle so how am I supposed to know whether you are serious or just ignorant. There's been a lot of ignorance and "fake news" going around lately.  I should have gotten a clue from your new name...Machiavellianism is "the employment of cunning and duplicity in statecraft or in general conduct". Welcome back, oh cunning one. Why are you hiding?

Frank/RT/Sorority Girls/Undies...

[wesleydad]

Glad some have actually mentioned the game this weekend.  I think RPI will have trouble scoring against Wesley and think this game will end up like the Hobart?/RPI game, somewhere in the 31 - 10 range.  I look forward to seeing RPI since I have never seen them play before, nice to see new teams.  The Ithaca/Salisbury game also should be a good one.  I think there may be some points scored in that one.  Both teams are only a few plays away from being in the playoffs.

[@d3jason]

Well Machiavelli or as Dlip points out Lew Dogg or 'gro...whatever...thanks for the complement (I think). As for my ability to recognize sarcasm, you have decided not to post using your previous handle so how am I supposed to know whether you are serious or just ignorant. There's been a lot of ignorance and "fake news" going around lately.  I should have gotten a clue from your new name...Machiavellianism is "the employment of cunning and duplicity in statecraft or in general conduct". Welcome back, oh cunning one. Why are you hiding?

Per the google machine, or the many leather bound books in my library, 'Machiavelli was an Italian war strategist and philosopher who wrote about faking his death to fool his enemies.' It's science.

La Cheeserie?

[dlippiel]

No way Mach is Lew or Gro. Those guys were funny, not bitchy.  Reminds me a lot more of redtackle - oh man, he and Frank used to get into the best fights.  It was like watching two sorority girls fight over the last thong in the VS sale bin. 

Well Machiavelli or as Dlip points out Lew Dogg or 'gro...whatever...thanks for the complement (I think). As for my ability to recognize sarcasm, you have decided not to post using your previous handle so how am I supposed to know whether you are serious or just ignorant. There's been a lot of ignorance and "fake news" going around lately.  I should have gotten a clue from your new name...Machiavellianism is "the employment of cunning and duplicity in statecraft or in general conduct". Welcome back, oh cunning one. Why are you hiding?

Got to be SRT. dlip and him have gotten into it before. He is a super knowledgable football guy. Funny, dlip came onto the boards years ago like a douche just totally hating RPI and hammering them at every chance he had (that's how dlip grew up, a local just hating the Engineers) because they were always awful when dlip was a kid and he had that unreasonable rivalry kid hate going on. SRT took exception to this and basically told dlip to cut the ****. After awhile dlip got it and as a result over time he has really come to respect the RPI program as a whole (football only, he still can't stand the hockey team) and even root for them against all OOC opponents.

Also, a little known fact about SRT is that he was the original member of the ITH tandem. It began as SRT and Rossi (dlip believes, please correct him if he is wrong).

So in all honestly it's great to have a knowledgeable RPI poster (former player) like SRT back. To dlip he certainly made the boards better.

*If it's not SRT then please disregard this entire post.

[Jonny Utah]

LD operates a large scale turkey farm in the New England area and this is his busy season so I would be surprised if he had the time to post on this board.  Besides being a turkey farmer, LD is also a masters level mud wrestler, and although mud wrestling season is coming to an end, LD often times makes it to the championship rounds and goes on tour signing autographs and boobs for charity. 

RT is like the Swarthmore College football program of d3boards.com.  He is not coming back unless huge donations are promised and adequate funding is provided.  He also is getting his 1990 ECAC man of the year trophy dusted off for his annual Christmas Party so he also probably doesn't have a lot of time either.

Frank always uses his real name and I'm guessing he is still smarting from Audino getting the boot from Union AD Gregory O'Laughlin and he might simply be focusing more on ITH as well.

Gro?  There was a gro sighting online recently, but the odds on him being Machiavelli is now standing at 2000-1.

Reg?  Reg never wrote posts on football as detailed as the one below was, he focused mainly on being a boss.

Could it be RedSwarm?  That dude had the IQ of an electronic toaster but did not have the ability to use sarcasm in the way Mach has.  Doubt it was him.

Maybe its better to leave "Mach" as is? 

[Machiavelli]

Machiavelli appears to be much like the Continuum Transfunctioner in that he is very mysterious and powerful and his mystery is only exceeded by his power.

[Machiavelli]

Glad some have actually mentioned the game this weekend.  I think RPI will have trouble scoring against Wesley and think this game will end up like the Hobart?/RPI game, somewhere in the 31 - 10 range.  I look forward to seeing RPI since I have never seen them play before, nice to see new teams.  The Ithaca/Salisbury game also should be a good one.  I think there may be some points scored in that one.  Both teams are only a few plays away from being in the playoffs.

Obviously I hope RPI can give Wesley a game. While I like RPI's team and, as mentioned on the playoff previews, the Program's trajectory, Wesley has been in another tier for a while and this year doesn't seem much different. Framingham played a tough half w/ them a few years back and I think that would be a good confidence builder going into next year and might actually surprise some people. And I hope i'm entirely wrong here, but I think Wesley, Brockport and DVC are at another level in this quadrant of the bracket and outside of those H2H games, the scores could be inflated.

That said, I think, since it's an 'East' bracket, RPI got a raw deal. Because of Husson being in Antarctica, Springfield and Husson both got a more favorable draw based on location. Realistically, the 'seeding' should have been:

1. DVC
2. Brockport
3. Wesley
4. Springfield
5. RPI
6. WNEC
7. Plymouth
8. Husson

An RPI @ Springfield game with the winner getting DVC would have made much more sense in an ideal world, but as we all know, d3 football is not ideal and doesn't always make a ton of logical sense, just financial sense. Husson has afforded playoff wins to MIT and WNEC in recent years and because of that, no matter where they match up nationally, they will have a chance to win a playoff game every year unless they get shipped out which is usually saved for the south and west coast. And one lucky New England team also gets a great shot for a playoff win. Most lower level playoff caliber teams don't have such a chance to win each year. Husson and Plymouth probably come in at 31 and 32 in the field and one has a legit shot to win.

[Jonny Utah]

Glad some have actually mentioned the game this weekend.  I think RPI will have trouble scoring against Wesley and think this game will end up like the Hobart?/RPI game, somewhere in the 31 - 10 range.  I look forward to seeing RPI since I have never seen them play before, nice to see new teams.  The Ithaca/Salisbury game also should be a good one.  I think there may be some points scored in that one.  Both teams are only a few plays away from being in the playoffs.

Obviously I hope RPI can give Wesley a game. While I like RPI's team and, as mentioned on the playoff previews, the Program's trajectory, Wesley has been in another tier for a while and this year doesn't seem much different. Framingham played a tough half w/ them a few years back and I think that would be a good confidence builder going into next year and might actually surprise some people. And I hope i'm entirely wrong here, but I think Wesley, Brockport and DVC are at another level in this quadrant of the bracket and outside of those H2H games, the scores could be inflated.

That said, I think, since it's an 'East' bracket, RPI got a raw deal. Because of Husson being in Antarctica, Springfield and Husson both got a more favorable draw based on location. Realistically, the 'seeding' should have been:

1. DVC
2. Brockport
3. Wesley
4. Springfield
5. RPI
6. WNEC
7. Plymouth
8. Husson

An RPI @ Springfield game with the winner getting DVC would have made much more sense in an ideal world, but as we all know, d3 football is not ideal and doesn't always make a ton of logical sense, just financial sense. Husson has afforded playoff wins to MIT and WNEC in recent years and because of that, no matter where they match up nationally, they will have a chance to win a playoff game every year unless they get shipped out which is usually saved for the south and west coast. And one lucky New England team also gets a great shot for a playoff win. Most lower level playoff caliber teams don't have such a chance to win each year. Husson and Plymouth probably come in at 31 and 32 in the field and one has a legit shot to win.

Don't know about Wesley, Frostburg, or anyone else in the NJAC or MAC.  Very little crossover with these leagues except with each other for that one open date.  Just by looking at scores, Del Val appears to be the top dog and then Frosty and Wesley Snipes come in a close second.

Wesleydad always has a cool head and seems to have a good grasp on who is good and who isn't.  I think he has mentioned he has not seen a lot of live games this year, so I would be interested in hearing his take.

[dlippiel]

dlip has said this before and will say it again, he won't be surprised to see Wesley standing alone from the East when it's all said and done. Obviously they have shown that, for periods of time they are a tier above most east teams (top 5 nationally) however loses like the one to Del Val (first game of the season) make us wonder if they are vulnerable. dlip thinks if they played again the result maybe different. Right now based on his "gut" and having watched all three teams play (not based on current records although he takes H2H into account) he would order them like this:

1.) Brockport (with a healthy Germinerio)
2.) Wesley
3.) Del Val

He certainly may be wrong but who the **** knows...

[wesleydad]

Glad some have actually mentioned the game this weekend.  I think RPI will have trouble scoring against Wesley and think this game will end up like the Hobart?/RPI game, somewhere in the 31 - 10 range.  I look forward to seeing RPI since I have never seen them play before, nice to see new teams.  The Ithaca/Salisbury game also should be a good one.  I think there may be some points scored in that one.  Both teams are only a few plays away from being in the playoffs.

Obviously I hope RPI can give Wesley a game. While I like RPI's team and, as mentioned on the playoff previews, the Program's trajectory, Wesley has been in another tier for a while and this year doesn't seem much different. Framingham played a tough half w/ them a few years back and I think that would be a good confidence builder going into next year and might actually surprise some people. And I hope i'm entirely wrong here, but I think Wesley, Brockport and DVC are at another level in this quadrant of the bracket and outside of those H2H games, the scores could be inflated.

That said, I think, since it's an 'East' bracket, RPI got a raw deal. Because of Husson being in Antarctica, Springfield and Husson both got a more favorable draw based on location. Realistically, the 'seeding' should have been:

1. DVC
2. Brockport
3. Wesley
4. Springfield
5. RPI
6. WNEC
7. Plymouth
8. Husson

An RPI @ Springfield game with the winner getting DVC would have made much more sense in an ideal world, but as we all know, d3 football is not ideal and doesn't always make a ton of logical sense, just financial sense. Husson has afforded playoff wins to MIT and WNEC in recent years and because of that, no matter where they match up nationally, they will have a chance to win a playoff game every year unless they get shipped out which is usually saved for the south and west coast. And one lucky New England team also gets a great shot for a playoff win. Most lower level playoff caliber teams don't have such a chance to win each year. Husson and Plymouth probably come in at 31 and 32 in the field and one has a legit shot to win.

Don't know about Wesley, Frostburg, or anyone else in the NJAC or MAC.  Very little crossover with these leagues except with each other for that one open date.  Just by looking at scores, Del Val appears to be the top dog and then Frosty and Wesley Snipes come in a close second.

Wesleydad always has a cool head and seems to have a good grasp on who is good and who isn't.  I think he has mentioned he has not seen a lot of live games this year, so I would be interested in hearing his take.

The 1 - 8 looks ok.  I think Del Val, Brockport, and Wesley are well above the other 5.  Frostburg has dropped off a bit in the overall game since the loss to Wesley.  They have started struggling to score.  I did not see many games live but watched a boat load of them online.  I like Springfield and they will not be an easy game for anyone who plays them.  WNEC has shown they can compete in the playoffs.  Husson and Plymouth are nice teams, but do not challenge the others.  Wesley played a horrible first half against Del Val and trailed 22 - 7.  Got the game close, but mistakes ended any chance.  The defense shut down Del Val most of the game, 9 points were from non-offensive scores, int return and a safety.  Wesley moved the ball, but did not score.  Both teams are better now than they were in game one.  If I had to pick a winner right now I would take Wesley.  The X factor to me is the injuries at Brockport.  If Germanario can not go, they are average.  If the running back is not able to play, they are a good defense that will struggle to score against either Del Val or Wesley.  I believe these 3 teams, if Brockport is healthy would be a good game in the quarters for anyone in the country.  The winner of this bracket should not be a pushover for the winner of the UHMB bracket.