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[south hill observer]

Regardless of what the officials did or did not do, the coaching staff (especially Swanstrom) has to protect the players. They have to calm them down, and get them to stop jawing. It's ridiculous to have four unsportsmanlike conduct calls on one play

I agree the players can't jaw, but this was not Swanstrom fault, the flags all came in about 3 seconds time. They were right to throw a flag but not 4. When there is a sideline infraction do they access a penalty for for each player or is it a team penalty accessed once ?

If it was that rapid fire, it's odd. Perhaps it wasn't on Swanstrom. Ultimately, it's obvious everyone lost control. There were what, 15 combined unsportsmanlike and personal foul penalties in the game? That's simply inexcusable.

By no means was this the game to look to if you want to teach a young player on how to play with good sportsmanship. Ugly on all 4 sides (Bombers,Seagulls,fans and refs). The positive that I take from this game is they had their backs to wall and just when it seemed they would self destruct Swanstrom pulled his team together and led them through the adversity by staying calm. when things got ugly our young HC shined. GO BOMBERS!!!

[Bombers798891]

Yes, so, onto the actual game.

What a game and a season for the Bombers. After starting off 0-2, the season could have gone south in a hurry. Instead, the Bombers regrouped and won 8 of 9, and very nearly the conference title. This was a great exclamation point on the season. How about the stones on Dan Swanstrom to call a trick play on 4th and 10 with the game on the line? And the poise by the first-year QB to rally the team and make three big throws—on a day where his top WR wasn't his usual dominant self.

Also, in a season that seemed mostly about the future—the first year coach, the freshmen QB, and the young WR core, it's worth a big tip of the cap to senior RB Tristan Brown, who capped off his career by closing out Cortaca and then with the game-winning and game-sealing TD runs here. The guy has worked very hard for four years, and what better way to go off into the sunset. I believe he finished his career as the 4th leading rusher in school history.

[Bartman]

Congrats to the Bombers for a great showing (football wise) against a very solid Salisbury and an excellent season....congrats also to RPI for winning the LL and representing the LL well by giving Wesley a fight and congrats to Union for getting the program back on track.......all these teams should be back strong next season and all will pose a challenge to each other along with Hobart, who I think was the best 7-3 nonplayoff team in the East...just disappointed we could not get a stronger start in a few games and finish a couple of more off.....oh well, til next year.....Happy Thanksgiving week to the LL faithful

[fisheralum91]

Ya started well against Fisher!

[Jonny Utah]

Geez Louise...just logged in to check out Ithaca score......first congratulations to IC on a tremendous second half comeback against a solid NJAC opponent...second, I checked the play by play... what the hell happened to get 4 unsportsmanlike penalties after a Salisbury score?...must have been some crazy dispute...but whatever it was it inspired the Bombers to kick some butt right afterwards....now those who were there might have a take on this and I am sure there are some regrets by players , coaches and probably officials as that many unsportsmanlike penalties is extremely unusual ...but man, as an opponent of the Bombers next season , I don't think you want to get them fired up like that....

If you look at this and the NJAC thread, all is explained.  Basically, the defensive coordinator got ejected for confronting an official for what might have been about a Salisbury TD.  Anyways, once he got ejected, a bunch of players started going at the officials and the flags hit the floor.  I am thrilled I got to see the game and the subsequent Salisbury kickoff from the Ithaca 10 yard line.....still can't believe it.

-Ski

Thanks Ski for the explanation....never, ever heard of a kickoff from there, sportscenter should be on that one.....how did the kickoff work out?....I think I would have given an onside a shot 

Here's the quandary.  The ball has to travel 10 yards to recover the onside kick.  If Salisbury kicked the ball into the endzone, they would have most likely got a touchback to the 25.  If the ball stops short of the endzone and nobody touches it, well, you have a live ball that could stay like that indefinitely.  So, the officials allowed Salisbury to touch the ball down at the 2 after squib kicking it.  Some Ithaca fans were pissed that a flag wasn't thrown, but I could see no other way that this could have been sorted out.  The play deserves to be on the play of the week as it is an extremely rare situation.  I was really amused at the whole thing.  Ejections, fights, yelling, flags..... it was a cornucopia of chaos.

-Ski

I'm thinking of this play and wondering if we know for sure whether or not the refs just made up rules along the way?  Why couldn't Wesley just decline one of the penalties and kick it from the 25?  I'm betting the ECAC will have an explanation for this, and that raises another question, were these ECAC refs? And does the ECAC still have their own officiating association?  I believe they used to so that's why I'm asking.

[Bartman]

All good questions, now I am extremely curious .....I think we need some research by the IC followers for an explanation

[wesleydad]

Geez Louise...just logged in to check out Ithaca score......first congratulations to IC on a tremendous second half comeback against a solid NJAC opponent...second, I checked the play by play... what the hell happened to get 4 unsportsmanlike penalties after a Salisbury score?...must have been some crazy dispute...but whatever it was it inspired the Bombers to kick some butt right afterwards....now those who were there might have a take on this and I am sure there are some regrets by players , coaches and probably officials as that many unsportsmanlike penalties is extremely unusual ...but man, as an opponent of the Bombers next season , I don't think you want to get them fired up like that....

If you look at this and the NJAC thread, all is explained.  Basically, the defensive coordinator got ejected for confronting an official for what might have been about a Salisbury TD.  Anyways, once he got ejected, a bunch of players started going at the officials and the flags hit the floor.  I am thrilled I got to see the game and the subsequent Salisbury kickoff from the Ithaca 10 yard line.....still can't believe it.

-Ski

Thanks Ski for the explanation....never, ever heard of a kickoff from there, sportscenter should be on that one.....how did the kickoff work out?....I think I would have given an onside a shot 

Here's the quandary.  The ball has to travel 10 yards to recover the onside kick.  If Salisbury kicked the ball into the endzone, they would have most likely got a touchback to the 25.  If the ball stops short of the endzone and nobody touches it, well, you have a live ball that could stay like that indefinitely.  So, the officials allowed Salisbury to touch the ball down at the 2 after squib kicking it.  Some Ithaca fans were pissed that a flag wasn't thrown, but I could see no other way that this could have been sorted out.  The play deserves to be on the play of the week as it is an extremely rare situation.  I was really amused at the whole thing.  Ejections, fights, yelling, flags..... it was a cornucopia of chaos.

-Ski

I'm thinking of this play and wondering if we know for sure whether or not the refs just made up rules along the way?  Why couldn't Wesley just decline one of the penalties and kick it from the 25?  I'm betting the ECAC will have an explanation for this, and that raises another question, were these ECAC refs? And does the ECAC still have their own officiating association?  I believe they used to so that's why I'm asking.

Utes, good question.  I am not sure you can decline a personal foul penalty, but in this case they should have been able to do something because kicking off from the 10 in not remotely logical and penalizes the kicking team.

[jamtod]

Geez Louise...just logged in to check out Ithaca score......first congratulations to IC on a tremendous second half comeback against a solid NJAC opponent...second, I checked the play by play... what the hell happened to get 4 unsportsmanlike penalties after a Salisbury score?...must have been some crazy dispute...but whatever it was it inspired the Bombers to kick some butt right afterwards....now those who were there might have a take on this and I am sure there are some regrets by players , coaches and probably officials as that many unsportsmanlike penalties is extremely unusual ...but man, as an opponent of the Bombers next season , I don't think you want to get them fired up like that....

If you look at this and the NJAC thread, all is explained.  Basically, the defensive coordinator got ejected for confronting an official for what might have been about a Salisbury TD.  Anyways, once he got ejected, a bunch of players started going at the officials and the flags hit the floor.  I am thrilled I got to see the game and the subsequent Salisbury kickoff from the Ithaca 10 yard line.....still can't believe it.

-Ski

Thanks Ski for the explanation....never, ever heard of a kickoff from there, sportscenter should be on that one.....how did the kickoff work out?....I think I would have given an onside a shot 

Here's the quandary.  The ball has to travel 10 yards to recover the onside kick.  If Salisbury kicked the ball into the endzone, they would have most likely got a touchback to the 25.  If the ball stops short of the endzone and nobody touches it, well, you have a live ball that could stay like that indefinitely.  So, the officials allowed Salisbury to touch the ball down at the 2 after squib kicking it.  Some Ithaca fans were pissed that a flag wasn't thrown, but I could see no other way that this could have been sorted out.  The play deserves to be on the play of the week as it is an extremely rare situation.  I was really amused at the whole thing.  Ejections, fights, yelling, flags..... it was a cornucopia of chaos.

-Ski

I'm thinking of this play and wondering if we know for sure whether or not the refs just made up rules along the way?  Why couldn't Wesley just decline one of the penalties and kick it from the 25?  I'm betting the ECAC will have an explanation for this, and that raises another question, were these ECAC refs? And does the ECAC still have their own officiating association?  I believe they used to so that's why I'm asking.

Utes, good question.  I am not sure you can decline a personal foul penalty, but in this case they should have been able to do something because kicking off from the 10 in not remotely logical and penalizes the kicking team.

Interesting. Under what circumstances do the penalties compound? In the UST vs Eureka game on Saturday, there was a return where 3 penalties were called on Eureka. Two were declined and the largest was accepted (a facemask I think? Or a personal foul?). I presume only one could be assessed.

[south hill observer]

Yes, so, onto the actual game.

What a game and a season for the Bombers. After starting off 0-2, the season could have gone south in a hurry. Instead, the Bombers regrouped and won 8 of 9, and very nearly the conference title. This was a great exclamation point on the season. How about the stones on Dan Swanstrom to call a trick play on 4th and 10 with the game on the line? And the poise by the first-year QB to rally the team and make three big throws—on a day where his top WR wasn't his usual dominant self.

Also, in a season that seemed mostly about the future—the first year coach, the freshmen QB, and the young WR core, it's worth a big tip of the cap to senior RB Tristan Brown, who capped off his career by closing out Cortaca and then with the game-winning and game-sealing TD runs here. The guy has worked very hard for four years, and what better way to go off into the sunset. I believe he finished his career as the 4th leading rusher in school history.

The seniors went out on a high note for sure. LB Kenny Bradley made every 3rd down stop in the 4th qtr with some big hits. WR Jared Bauer was awarded MVP for clutch receptions and TDs. Schemm stepped it up in the run defense and Brown ran hard all night.

Staring 0-2 was rough but lets not forget that Nabi and Vito didn't start until game 3. Do I think we would have beaten Brockport ? absolutely not, but I think it would have been a bit closer than 33-0.

[Jonny Utah]

Geez Louise...just logged in to check out Ithaca score......first congratulations to IC on a tremendous second half comeback against a solid NJAC opponent...second, I checked the play by play... what the hell happened to get 4 unsportsmanlike penalties after a Salisbury score?...must have been some crazy dispute...but whatever it was it inspired the Bombers to kick some butt right afterwards....now those who were there might have a take on this and I am sure there are some regrets by players , coaches and probably officials as that many unsportsmanlike penalties is extremely unusual ...but man, as an opponent of the Bombers next season , I don't think you want to get them fired up like that....

If you look at this and the NJAC thread, all is explained.  Basically, the defensive coordinator got ejected for confronting an official for what might have been about a Salisbury TD.  Anyways, once he got ejected, a bunch of players started going at the officials and the flags hit the floor.  I am thrilled I got to see the game and the subsequent Salisbury kickoff from the Ithaca 10 yard line.....still can't believe it.

-Ski

Thanks Ski for the explanation....never, ever heard of a kickoff from there, sportscenter should be on that one.....how did the kickoff work out?....I think I would have given an onside a shot 

Here's the quandary.  The ball has to travel 10 yards to recover the onside kick.  If Salisbury kicked the ball into the endzone, they would have most likely got a touchback to the 25.  If the ball stops short of the endzone and nobody touches it, well, you have a live ball that could stay like that indefinitely.  So, the officials allowed Salisbury to touch the ball down at the 2 after squib kicking it.  Some Ithaca fans were pissed that a flag wasn't thrown, but I could see no other way that this could have been sorted out.  The play deserves to be on the play of the week as it is an extremely rare situation.  I was really amused at the whole thing.  Ejections, fights, yelling, flags..... it was a cornucopia of chaos.

-Ski

I'm thinking of this play and wondering if we know for sure whether or not the refs just made up rules along the way?  Why couldn't Wesley just decline one of the penalties and kick it from the 25?  I'm betting the ECAC will have an explanation for this, and that raises another question, were these ECAC refs? And does the ECAC still have their own officiating association?  I believe they used to so that's why I'm asking.

Utes, good question.  I am not sure you can decline a personal foul penalty, but in this case they should have been able to do something because kicking off from the 10 in not remotely logical and penalizes the kicking team.

Or why not go offsides and take a five yard penalty or a delay of game?  I also wondered what you would need to do to have penalties compounded like that, I've never seen any one get penalized more than 15 yards (except for NFL pass interference penalties)

[Jonny Utah]

Now I'm thinking of a way to make compounding penalties is if the coach or players keep yapping after the refs tell them to stop? 

Ref:  "Ok coach, that last play was a 15 yard penalty, we are moving the ball up 15 yards..."

Coach:  "Hey ref, go f#$* yourself"

Ref:  "Ok, thats another 15 yards."

Coach:  "Go stick 15 yards up your a$$!"

Ref:  "These 15 yards are going to really hurt if you don't stop"

Coach:  "That's what your mom said!!"

Ref:  "15 more yards", now we are going to kick off from the 10 and let the other team be able to recover it within the 10 yards"

Or something like that?

[Pat Coleman]

They tried to take a delay of game, but it was declined.

[jamtod]

Or why not go offsides and take a five yard penalty or a delay of game?  I also wondered what you would need to do to have penalties compounded like that, I've never seen any one get penalized more than 15 yards (except for NFL pass interference penalties)

I believe this was addressed at some point. They did try to take a delay of game, but the penalty was declined.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Now I'm thinking of a way to make compounding penalties is if the coach or players keep yapping after the refs tell them to stop? 

Ref:  "Ok coach, that last play was a 15 yard penalty, we are moving the ball up 15 yards..."

Coach:  "Hey ref, go f#$* yourself"

Ref:  "Ok, thats another 15 yards."

Coach:  "Go stick 15 yards up your a$$!"

Ref:  "These 15 yards are going to really hurt if you don't stop"

Coach:  "That's what your mom said!!"

Ref:  "15 more yards", now we are going to kick off from the 10 and let the other team be able to recover it within the 10 yards"

Or something like that?

I don't know the rule book, but wouldn't a competent ref just eject the coach (and call security, if needed)?

Kicking off from the opponent's 10 has just got to be something new in the history of football!

[Jonny Utah]

Or why not go offsides and take a five yard penalty or a delay of game?  I also wondered what you would need to do to have penalties compounded like that, I've never seen any one get penalized more than 15 yards (except for NFL pass interference penalties)

I believe this was addressed at some point. They did try to take a delay of game, but the penalty was declined.

Ok so Rule 10.  Article 1.  Section D says:

d. Penalties as stated are not enforced if in conflict with other rules.

So that basically means Salsbury could kick within 10 yards without a penalty?