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[Machiavelli]

Based on what I said above, sometimes this works in a negative too. I could see the NCAA giving RPI a nice first round matchup(high % winnable), to be followed by Brockport(<10% winnable). Alternately, they could get a tougher matchup in Rd 1(more of a 50/50 type game), like DVC, and the winner could get like a W&J/Hopkins(another 50/50 or close type game(on paper)). Not taking away from those teams at all, but I think Brockport is in that full fledged Top Tier right now and likely won't be challenged until the Final 8 at the earliest. The selection committee tends to bury teams in Rd 2 who have a really favorable Rd 1 matchup.

These premature words will now jinx the Engineers as Tyler Grochot, the SLU QB passes for 500 yards and upsets RPI in Troy as the Statesmen narrowly defeat the Bombers at the Boz that day...then , the next week the Dutchmen win the Shoes and crush the dreams of the slide-rulers .... setting up an old fashion death match in Canton for the LL Title between Hobart and the Saints .......believe it and it will happen

Hey, i've been careful to premise this all as hypothetical IF RPI wins out.

[Bartman]

Based on what I said above, sometimes this works in a negative too. I could see the NCAA giving RPI a nice first round matchup(high % winnable), to be followed by Brockport(<10% winnable). Alternately, they could get a tougher matchup in Rd 1(more of a 50/50 type game), like DVC, and the winner could get like a W&J/Hopkins(another 50/50 or close type game(on paper)). Not taking away from those teams at all, but I think Brockport is in that full fledged Top Tier right now and likely won't be challenged until the Final 8 at the earliest. The selection committee tends to bury teams in Rd 2 who have a really favorable Rd 1 matchup.

These premature words will now jinx the Engineers as Tyler Grochot, the SLU QB passes for 500 yards and upsets RPI in Troy as the Statesmen narrowly defeat the Bombers at the Boz that day...then , the next week the Dutchmen win the Shoes and crush the dreams of the slide-rulers .... setting up an old fashion death match in Canton for the LL Title between Hobart and the Saints .......believe it and it will happen

Hey, i've been careful to premise this all as hypothetical IF RPI wins out.

Oh, and now "we" get all serious......anyway ,Tyler is the man on November 3....the entire Hobart Nation is behind you.....until November 10....

[ITH radio]

RPI's Top 25 rank doesn't play a role here but RPI is within 500 miles of Husson and that would probably be the most equitable matchup for Husson within 500 miles.

Agree

[Machiavelli]

RPI's Top 25 rank doesn't play a role here but RPI is within 500 miles of Husson and that would probably be the most equitable matchup for Husson within 500 miles.

Agree

It has to play a LITTLE role because it should play into Regional Rankings.

[Pat Coleman]

RPI's Top 25 rank doesn't play a role here but RPI is within 500 miles of Husson and that would probably be the most equitable matchup for Husson within 500 miles.

Agree

It has to play a LITTLE role because it should play into Regional Rankings.

Why or how should it play into regional rankings? Here's the criteria used:
http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs#3

[Machiavelli]

RPI's Top 25 rank doesn't play a role here but RPI is within 500 miles of Husson and that would probably be the most equitable matchup for Husson within 500 miles.

Agree

It has to play a LITTLE role because it should play into Regional Rankings.

Why or how should it play into regional rankings? Here's the criteria used:
http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs#3

I guess i'll rephrase a tiny bit, that I think your pollsters take a lot of that criteria into account with your rankings, and thoroughly know what they are doing, and RPI must be checking some of those boxes off, enough where they wouldn't be considered an undefeated MIT or god-forbid WConn and might get a favorable matchup rather than a Round 1 matchup against Brockport. That's all. Not being contentious, maybe just being hopeful, but amongst everything else, curious as to what everyone else thinks/thought.

[ITH radio]

If RPI ends up 9-0 (which is looking pretty likely) they will have a good seed, and should have a favorable 1st round match up imo.

[Ice Bear]

If RPI ends up 9-0 (which is looking pretty likely) they will have a good seed, and should have a favorable 1st round match up imo.

Agreed

[Jonny Utah]

So here's a Q:

If IC turns down a NYS Bowl Game bid, and Hobart does too, is there a point where the LL and the E8 realize that this game is not the draw they thought it might be?

I mean, maybe I'm putting too much stock in Ithaca basically having the stance of "We don't want a rematch" and Hobart will end up playing in it.

But at the same time, the rematch issue was predictable from the start, and it doesn't look like it's going away any time soon. At some point, I'm guessing the powers that be would want the game, which is being marketed as, "The top non NCAA playoff teams from the E8/LL" to actually feature the top non playoff teams

I get a feeling Swanstrom isn't going to be turning down any games.  Not sure how you turn around your teams mindset after a win or loss in the final game, but I get a feeling he will want to play this game.

[ITH radio]

Swanstrom will definitely take one more game. However, if given the choice of hosting at home (ECACs will not be at a central location most likely) vs. a NJAC or other new program vs. a rematch against a team they already played, my best guess is IC picks the ECAC home game.

[Bombers798891]

So here's a Q:

If IC turns down a NYS Bowl Game bid, and Hobart does too, is there a point where the LL and the E8 realize that this game is not the draw they thought it might be?

I mean, maybe I'm putting too much stock in Ithaca basically having the stance of "We don't want a rematch" and Hobart will end up playing in it.

But at the same time, the rematch issue was predictable from the start, and it doesn't look like it's going away any time soon. At some point, I'm guessing the powers that be would want the game, which is being marketed as, "The top non NCAA playoff teams from the E8/LL" to actually feature the top non playoff teams

I get a feeling Swanstrom isn't going to be turning down any games.  Not sure how you turn around your teams mindset after a win or loss in the final game, but I get a feeling he will want to play this game.

I think he'll want to play in an ECAC game. But I'm not sure he sees the value in a rematch with a team he's already beaten

[Jonny Utah]

So here's a Q:

If IC turns down a NYS Bowl Game bid, and Hobart does too, is there a point where the LL and the E8 realize that this game is not the draw they thought it might be?

I mean, maybe I'm putting too much stock in Ithaca basically having the stance of "We don't want a rematch" and Hobart will end up playing in it.

But at the same time, the rematch issue was predictable from the start, and it doesn't look like it's going away any time soon. At some point, I'm guessing the powers that be would want the game, which is being marketed as, "The top non NCAA playoff teams from the E8/LL" to actually feature the top non playoff teams

I get a feeling Swanstrom isn't going to be turning down any games.  Not sure how you turn around your teams mindset after a win or loss in the final game, but I get a feeling he will want to play this game.

I think he'll want to play in an ECAC game. But I'm not sure he sees the value in a rematch with a team he's already beaten

yea I can remember what the deal is, can Ithaca still do ECACs if they choose?  Or do they have to choose the LL/E8 matchup if they end up in 2nd.  Common sense tells us that they wouldn't "force" Cortland and Ithaca to play another game.

[Oline89]

So here's a Q:

If IC turns down a NYS Bowl Game bid, and Hobart does too, is there a point where the LL and the E8 realize that this game is not the draw they thought it might be?

I mean, maybe I'm putting too much stock in Ithaca basically having the stance of "We don't want a rematch" and Hobart will end up playing in it.

But at the same time, the rematch issue was predictable from the start, and it doesn't look like it's going away any time soon. At some point, I'm guessing the powers that be would want the game, which is being marketed as, "The top non NCAA playoff teams from the E8/LL" to actually feature the top non playoff teams

I get a feeling Swanstrom isn't going to be turning down any games.  Not sure how you turn around your teams mindset after a win or loss in the final game, but I get a feeling he will want to play this game.

I think he'll want to play in an ECAC game. But I'm not sure he sees the value in a rematch with a team he's already beaten

yea I can remember what the deal is, can Ithaca still do ECACs if they choose?  Or do they have to choose the LL/E8 matchup if they end up in 2nd.  Common sense tells us that they wouldn't "force" Cortland and Ithaca to play another game.

Last year Ithaca opted out of the NYS bowl, and played Salisbury in the ECAC.  Union took their place and played Cortland in the NYS bowl. 

[Jonny Utah]

So here's a Q:

If IC turns down a NYS Bowl Game bid, and Hobart does too, is there a point where the LL and the E8 realize that this game is not the draw they thought it might be?

I mean, maybe I'm putting too much stock in Ithaca basically having the stance of "We don't want a rematch" and Hobart will end up playing in it.

But at the same time, the rematch issue was predictable from the start, and it doesn't look like it's going away any time soon. At some point, I'm guessing the powers that be would want the game, which is being marketed as, "The top non NCAA playoff teams from the E8/LL" to actually feature the top non playoff teams

I get a feeling Swanstrom isn't going to be turning down any games.  Not sure how you turn around your teams mindset after a win or loss in the final game, but I get a feeling he will want to play this game.

I think he'll want to play in an ECAC game. But I'm not sure he sees the value in a rematch with a team he's already beaten

yea I can remember what the deal is, can Ithaca still do ECACs if they choose?  Or do they have to choose the LL/E8 matchup if they end up in 2nd.  Common sense tells us that they wouldn't "force" Cortland and Ithaca to play another game.

Last year Ithaca opted out of the NYS bowl, and played Salisbury in the ECAC.  Union took their place and played Cortland in the NYS bowl.

Duh ok, not sure why I didn't remember that.  I assume they would do the same this year.  (or Cortland would)

[Caz Bombers]

I think we can pretty much pencil in Cortland vs. Hobart in the NYS Bowl for next month, unless of course the scarlet geckos knock off Brockport. Gross, I know, but not out of the realm of possibility by any means.