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[Oline89]

My understanding was it was a financial decision to not use their officials and pay for other services. The last ECAC bowl they played in was in 2003, they passed on one in 93 bc it was the same weekend of final exams.

I can't really speak to the hockey situation, other than they obviously left the ECAC West conf which is now defunct. Hobart's hockey team is in the NEHC while the WS team is in the UCHC.

Seems to me, that if they set money aside to play in the NY State Bowl, then just move it over and join the ECAC.  Not going to break the budget.

[ITH radio]

FB team certainly didn't mind being in the ECAC when they got the Lambert Cup in 2012 and 2014.

[NED3Guy]

I'm more familiar with some of the other New England D3 Hockey schools than I am Hobart, but I know the issues that lead to the formation of the NEHC, and the mass exodus from the ECAC (east and west) leagues was due to how the ECAC handled the gate at on campus playoff hockey games. My understanding is that they ECAC expected the institutions to staff the events, but expected a significant portion of the gate.

Once those schools left to form the NEHC there was bad blood between institutions (mainly at the AD level) and the ECAC management. That bad blood as I understand it lead to many schools opting to no longer pay ECAC member dues, thus no longer being eligible for ECAC Bowl Games, post season tournaments offered for other sports and ECAC Player of the Week / All Star recognition.

The $2,500 All Inclusive Membership price tag is not the issue for most schools.  (see membership fees):  http://www.ecacsports.com/documents/2018/6/13/ECAC_2018_19_Membership_D3_.pdf?)

[ITH radio]

That sounds right to me

[Jonny Utah]

So the Union/RPI game is on Youtube, and you can see the Union INT at the end of the game where the LB throws the ball over the building.  Kind of classless, but I am also in the Mach camp and enjoy seeing some of that stuff as well.  The West Virginia QB also did this in a game (after WVU had clinched the win) a few weeks ago as well.  I wouldn't be surprised if you see the NCAA crack down on this stuff in the future.  I could easily see suspending someone for a half/next game half, but I also wouldn't be surprised if you see the NCAA call the play back if it is really bad.

[MRMIKESMITH]

So the Union/RPI game is on Youtube, and you can see the Union INT at the end of the game where the LB throws the ball over the building.  Kind of classless, but I am also in the Mach camp and enjoy seeing some of that stuff as well.  The West Virginia QB also did this in a game (after WVU had clinched the win) a few weeks ago as well.  I wouldn't be surprised if you see the NCAA crack down on this stuff in the future.  I could easily see suspending someone for a half/next game half, but I also wouldn't be surprised if you see the NCAA call the play back if it is really bad.

The NCAA will not call the play back, similar events happens some year's ago with Northwestern vs. BYU in a walk-off win and can't remember which team had to replay the down and failed to win the game which had a trickled down effect on bowl eligibility and SOS for other teams. I can see the school being penalized financially or in your case a player having to sit out a quarter, I think two quarters is too harsh (same for helmet to helmet call).

[Jonny Utah]

So the Union/RPI game is on Youtube, and you can see the Union INT at the end of the game where the LB throws the ball over the building.  Kind of classless, but I am also in the Mach camp and enjoy seeing some of that stuff as well.  The West Virginia QB also did this in a game (after WVU had clinched the win) a few weeks ago as well.  I wouldn't be surprised if you see the NCAA crack down on this stuff in the future.  I could easily see suspending someone for a half/next game half, but I also wouldn't be surprised if you see the NCAA call the play back if it is really bad.

The NCAA will not call the play back, similar events happens some year's ago with Northwestern vs. BYU in a walk-off win and can't remember which team had to replay the down and failed to win the game which had a trickled down effect on bowl eligibility and SOS for other teams. I can see the school being penalized financially or in your case a player having to sit out a quarter, I think two quarters is too harsh (same for helmet to helmet call).

I should have said the NCAA might change the rule.  Right now a dead ball personal foul (throwing the ball over a building after a touchdown) is simply a 15 yard penalty.

[Machiavelli]

So the Union/RPI game is on Youtube, and you can see the Union INT at the end of the game where the LB throws the ball over the building.  Kind of classless, but I am also in the Mach camp and enjoy seeing some of that stuff as well.  The West Virginia QB also did this in a game (after WVU had clinched the win) a few weeks ago as well.  I wouldn't be surprised if you see the NCAA crack down on this stuff in the future.  I could easily see suspending someone for a half/next game half, but I also wouldn't be surprised if you see the NCAA call the play back if it is really bad.

The NCAA will not call the play back, similar events happens some year's ago with Northwestern vs. BYU in a walk-off win and can't remember which team had to replay the down and failed to win the game which had a trickled down effect on bowl eligibility and SOS for other teams. I can see the school being penalized financially or in your case a player having to sit out a quarter, I think two quarters is too harsh (same for helmet to helmet call).

I should have said the NCAA might change the rule.  Right now a dead ball personal foul (throwing the ball over a building after a touchdown) is simply a 15 yard penalty.

In this case, enforced on the extra point, making it pretty much useless.

[Jonny Utah]

So the Union/RPI game is on Youtube, and you can see the Union INT at the end of the game where the LB throws the ball over the building.  Kind of classless, but I am also in the Mach camp and enjoy seeing some of that stuff as well.  The West Virginia QB also did this in a game (after WVU had clinched the win) a few weeks ago as well.  I wouldn't be surprised if you see the NCAA crack down on this stuff in the future.  I could easily see suspending someone for a half/next game half, but I also wouldn't be surprised if you see the NCAA call the play back if it is really bad.

The NCAA will not call the play back, similar events happens some year's ago with Northwestern vs. BYU in a walk-off win and can't remember which team had to replay the down and failed to win the game which had a trickled down effect on bowl eligibility and SOS for other teams. I can see the school being penalized financially or in your case a player having to sit out a quarter, I think two quarters is too harsh (same for helmet to helmet call).

I should have said the NCAA might change the rule.  Right now a dead ball personal foul (throwing the ball over a building after a touchdown) is simply a 15 yard penalty.

In this case, enforced on the extra point, making it pretty much useless.

What is going on over there at Union anyway? You would never see such stuff under an Audino coached team.  (I mean throwing a ball over a building, not beating RPI which we know was rare)

[UfanBill]

So the Union/RPI game is on Youtube, and you can see the Union INT at the end of the game where the LB throws the ball over the building.  Kind of classless, but I am also in the Mach camp and enjoy seeing some of that stuff as well.  The West Virginia QB also did this in a game (after WVU had clinched the win) a few weeks ago as well.  I wouldn't be surprised if you see the NCAA crack down on this stuff in the future.  I could easily see suspending someone for a half/next game half, but I also wouldn't be surprised if you see the NCAA call the play back if it is really bad.

The NCAA will not call the play back, similar events happens some year's ago with Northwestern vs. BYU in a walk-off win and can't remember which team had to replay the down and failed to win the game which had a trickled down effect on bowl eligibility and SOS for other teams. I can see the school being penalized financially or in your case a player having to sit out a quarter, I think two quarters is too harsh (same for helmet to helmet call).

I should have said the NCAA might change the rule.  Right now a dead ball personal foul (throwing the ball over a building after a touchdown) is simply a 15 yard penalty.

In this case, enforced on the extra point, making it pretty much useless.

What is going on over there at Union anyway?[/b} You would never see such stuff under an Audino coached team.  (I mean throwing a ball over a building, not beating RPI which we know was rare)

What's going on at Union? It's called winning! You RPI boys have already said you're dismayed that coach Audino is gone. Here at Union while we respect the run Audino had, we're ecstatic about what coach Behrman has brought. Hurts you guys doesn't it? 
As for the pick 6 and heave on the roof. As I've already pointed out...that was LL 1st team LB Jack Reilly just letting out his emotions to cumulate and emphasize and outstanding  career.
        Honors and Awards:
- All-Liberty League First Team (2017, 2018)
- All-Liberty League Honorable Mention (2016)
- D3football.com Team of the Week (9/4/18)
- Liberty League Rookie of the Week (10/12/15)
- CoSIDA Academic All-District First Team (2018)
- Liberty League All-Academic Team (2016, 2017, 2018)
- William A. Pike Award winner (2017-18)
- Harold Moore Sophomore Athletic Prize (2016-17)

The last thing Jack had left was to win back the Shoes. That pick 6 "sealed the deal". Just so you know when Reilly came off the field after the heave he was met by coach Behrman who got in his face and chewed him out for the action....Minutes later he hugged him. Love coach Behrman.
As for the penaltie(s) enforced. 15 yards was marked off on the extra point(Union kicker drilled it anyway) and two additional 15 yarders were accessed on the kickoff for Union players rushing the field in celebration. You RPI guys might not like it but that "dudes chuck on to the roof" is sure to go down in Union football lore. 

[Jonny Utah]

So the Union/RPI game is on Youtube, and you can see the Union INT at the end of the game where the LB throws the ball over the building.  Kind of classless, but I am also in the Mach camp and enjoy seeing some of that stuff as well.  The West Virginia QB also did this in a game (after WVU had clinched the win) a few weeks ago as well.  I wouldn't be surprised if you see the NCAA crack down on this stuff in the future.  I could easily see suspending someone for a half/next game half, but I also wouldn't be surprised if you see the NCAA call the play back if it is really bad.

The NCAA will not call the play back, similar events happens some year's ago with Northwestern vs. BYU in a walk-off win and can't remember which team had to replay the down and failed to win the game which had a trickled down effect on bowl eligibility and SOS for other teams. I can see the school being penalized financially or in your case a player having to sit out a quarter, I think two quarters is too harsh (same for helmet to helmet call).

I should have said the NCAA might change the rule.  Right now a dead ball personal foul (throwing the ball over a building after a touchdown) is simply a 15 yard penalty.

In this case, enforced on the extra point, making it pretty much useless.

What is going on over there at Union anyway?[/b} You would never see such stuff under an Audino coached team.  (I mean throwing a ball over a building, not beating RPI which we know was rare)

What's going on at Union? It's called winning! You RPI boys have already said you're dismayed that coach Audino is gone. Here at Union while we respect the run Audino had, we're ecstatic about what coach Behrman has brought. Hurts you guys doesn't it? 
As for the pick 6 and heave on the roof. As I've already pointed out...that was LL 1st team LB Jack Reilly just letting out his emotions to cumulate and emphasize and outstanding  career.
        Honors and Awards:
- All-Liberty League First Team (2017, 2018)
- All-Liberty League Honorable Mention (2016)
- D3football.com Team of the Week (9/4/18)
- Liberty League Rookie of the Week (10/12/15)
- CoSIDA Academic All-District First Team (2018)
- Liberty League All-Academic Team (2016, 2017, 2018)
- William A. Pike Award winner (2017-18)
- Harold Moore Sophomore Athletic Prize (2016-17)

The last thing Jack had left was to win back the Shoes. That pick 6 "sealed the deal". Just so you know when Reilly came off the field after the heave he was met by coach Behrman who got in his face and chewed him out for the action....Minutes later he hugged him. Love coach Behrman.
As for the penaltie(s) enforced. 15 yards was marked off on the extra point(Union kicker drilled it anyway) and two additional 15 yarders were accessed on the kickoff for Union players rushing the field in celebration. You RPI guys might not like it but that "dudes chuck on to the roof" is sure to go down in Union football lore. 

1.  I'm an Ithaca guy.
2.  If an RPI player did that, and RPI blew out Union, you would probably be the first one complaining about it.
3.  Who cares who the LB is or what awards he won?  He was unsportsmanlike and a sore winner.  I'm not going to lose any sleep over it but it was pretty classless. 
4.  Union should want national championships as part of their football lore, not some spoiled baby who can't handle scoring a TD in a big game disrespecting his team, college, and opponent.

On a separate note, I actually do like the Union QB.  Union also had a great offensive gameplan, and I think if you want to beat Union, you need to be physical with their Wrs have have a decent pass rush up middle.  Loved the play action game by Union as well.

[wally_wabash]

Don't stick a building six feet off the end line if you don't want the other guys to throw a football up on the roof, amirite? 

[Jonny Utah]

Don't stick a building six feet off the end line if you don't want the other guys to throw a football up on the roof, amirite?

Also true.

[Frank Rossi]

As a Union guy who has had to deal with two MASCAC episodes in four days as a media personality, here's my take:

1) Win with f'ing class;
2) Understand that what seems like stupid childish behavior can escalate beyond control;
3) Don't ever drink from the Shoes unless you disinfect the hell out of them;
4) Instead of acting like a jackass, go knock on your AD's door and demand bowl game access since you deserve a postseason berth.  In other words, rise above the "adults" who seem hell-bent on not rewarding success.

Having said that, congrats to the players for putting together a great season.  When I get to sit down with new Union President Harris later this year, I'll tout that fact while trying to resolve other issues that have sat uncorrected for way too long.

[UfanBill]

Throwing the ball up on the roof is no different than throwing the ball into the stands( it happens all the time). It's punishable by a 15 yd unsportsmanlike penalty. Two such penalties in the same game means expulsion.  In the NFL throwing the ball into the stands would bring a penalty and a $6,076 fine. Handing the ball to a fan is not fined or penalized.