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[ITH radio]

Here's my BP-HOB game preview: http://gohobart.blogspot.com/2019/09/week-1-brockport-game-preview.html

I think RPI & IC win going away. Union may struggle with Westfield but will eventually put them away. Rochester is going to struggle against CWRU and I think SLU will too against Utica. I think Buff St beats SJF in a close one.

[bluenote]

Is anybody here "watched"... I am... I feel like a prisoner in Russia!

[NYfootball]

Any predictions for opening weekend for LL teams?  IC, U and RPI should have easy wins. SLU should be able to put up points, but I don't know much about Utica.  SJF looked OK from what I saw in their preseason scrimmage, Buff St is supposed to be improved, so seems like a toss-up.  UR has a tough one against CWRU, could get ugly.  Hobart is much improved from last year, BPort has taken a step back (simply with the  loss of Joe G), so the game will be much closer than last year.  Smart money picks Bport all day, but I never claimed to be smart....

I'll give it a shot:

St. John Fisher 21 (rumor has it Fisher is starting a Freshman QB, or this may be larger gap)
Buff State        13

Brockport         28
Hobart             23 (If there is discussion about two QBs in the mix at Hobart, unless it's gamesmanship, they don't have one)

Allegheny         20
RPI                  31 (RPI lost alot of terrific defenders)

Ithaca              35 (Joe Germ will start and there may be a Wabi sighting late)
St. Vincent       7

Westfield          17
Union               28

St. Lawrence    14 (there may be a pass or two in this matchup)
Utica                45

Case West        52 
Rochester         7   (tough match for YJ)

[ITH radio]

https://theithacan.org/sports/quarterback-sneak-all-american-transfers-after-graduating/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIJTEI_Hg_Y

Fan counter point we got was this:


find this perplexing...if Joe (Germinerio) is paying for his own education (vis cash, student loans, grants, or educational scholarship), why would it be anyone elses comcern on where he attends, what he does, what sport he plays, or even if he graduates? Thats his business.

What do you guys' think?

[pumkinattack]

Any predictions for opening weekend for LL teams?  IC, U and RPI should have easy wins. SLU should be able to put up points, but I don't know much about Utica.  SJF looked OK from what I saw in their preseason scrimmage, Buff St is supposed to be improved, so seems like a toss-up.  UR has a tough one against CWRU, could get ugly.  Hobart is much improved from last year, BPort has taken a step back (simply with the  loss of Joe G), so the game will be much closer than last year.  Smart money picks Bport all day, but I never claimed to be smart....

I'll give it a shot:

St. John Fisher 21 (rumor has it Fisher is starting a Freshman QB, or this may be larger gap)
Buff State        13

Brockport         28
Hobart             23 (If there is discussion about two QBs in the mix at Hobart, unless it's gamesmanship, they don't have one)

Allegheny         20
RPI                  31 (RPI lost alot of terrific defenders)

Ithaca              35 (Joe Germ will start and there may be a Wabi sighting late)
St. Vincent       7

Westfield          17
Union               28

St. Lawrence    14 (there may be a pass or two in this matchup)
Utica                45

Case West        52 
Rochester         7   (tough match for YJ)

Re Hobart QB, this is a lazy trope/axiom that doesn't mean anything.  Worked out for FL with chris leak and Tim Tebow.  Hoffman is a drach recruit who Did quite well last year after sitting behind Sweeney for Two years while krewson was all LL as a athlete as a FR DeWall recruit.  Hoffman has earned his starting spot but krewson May be better.  Apparently not paying attention to D1 football or you'd see what's gone on at alabama and Clemson last two years.  That is as old as anything in football and just not true anymore. 

When you throw in the dad and what we know post RPI game re Germinerio its a very fair piece to write and worth questioning what a relatively new HC at IC wants to be representative of the program and institution whether it works out or not.0

[RolandWest]

Any predictions for opening weekend for LL teams?  IC, U and RPI should have easy wins. SLU should be able to put up points, but I don't know much about Utica.  SJF looked OK from what I saw in their preseason scrimmage, Buff St is supposed to be improved, so seems like a toss-up.  UR has a tough one against CWRU, could get ugly.  Hobart is much improved from last year, BPort has taken a step back (simply with the  loss of Joe G), so the game will be much closer than last year.  Smart money picks Bport all day, but I never claimed to be smart....

I'll give it a shot:

St. John Fisher 21 (rumor has it Fisher is starting a Freshman QB, or this may be larger gap)
Buff State        13

Brockport         28
Hobart             23 (If there is discussion about two QBs in the mix at Hobart, unless it's gamesmanship, they don't have one)

Allegheny         20
RPI                  31 (RPI lost alot of terrific defenders)

Ithaca              35 (Joe Germ will start and there may be a Wabi sighting late)
St. Vincent       7

Westfield          17
Union               28

St. Lawrence    14 (there may be a pass or two in this matchup)
Utica                45

Case West        52 
Rochester         7   (tough match for YJ)

Re Hobart QB, this is a lazy trope/axiom that doesn't mean anything.  Worked out for FL with chris leak and Tim Tebow.  Hoffman is a drach recruit who Did quite well last year after sitting behind Sweeney for Two years while krewson was all LL as a athlete as a FR DeWall recruit.  Hoffman has earned his starting spot but krewson May be better.  Apparently not paying attention to D1 football or you'd see what's gone on at alabama and Clemson last two years.  That is as old as anything in football and just not true anymore. 

When you throw in the dad and what we know post RPI game re Germinerio its a very fair piece to write and worth questioning what a relatively new HC at IC wants to be representative of the program and institution whether it works out or not.0

What "do we know" regarding Germinerio and his exit from Brockport?  I would imagine it had to have been contentious, but do you have anything substantive to share?

If you have a chance to add a two time all region/POY type QB to replace a middling one (under 60 percent completion, 1.45:1 TD/INT ratio along with an offense that only averaged 22 points per game) you do it almost every time.  Happy to admit I'm wrong if you have a smoking gun regarding Joe's exit as opposed to vague platitudes.

[unionpalooza]

Re Joe G, I was going to ask the same thing - have seen multiple references to "after the RPI game" but no specifics.  Would love to know. 

More generally, the whole thing seems weird to me, but it's his life to live.  It does seem a little lame to me that IC has built a culture where they'd rather win 9 games with a three month rental than 7 games with what I assume will be a four-year student athlete, but the rules say they can, and everyone has the right to their priorities. 

[Jonny Utah]

Any predictions for opening weekend for LL teams?  IC, U and RPI should have easy wins. SLU should be able to put up points, but I don't know much about Utica.  SJF looked OK from what I saw in their preseason scrimmage, Buff St is supposed to be improved, so seems like a toss-up.  UR has a tough one against CWRU, could get ugly.  Hobart is much improved from last year, BPort has taken a step back (simply with the  loss of Joe G), so the game will be much closer than last year.  Smart money picks Bport all day, but I never claimed to be smart....

I'll give it a shot:

St. John Fisher 21 (rumor has it Fisher is starting a Freshman QB, or this may be larger gap)
Buff State        13

Brockport         28
Hobart             23 (If there is discussion about two QBs in the mix at Hobart, unless it's gamesmanship, they don't have one)

Allegheny         20
RPI                  31 (RPI lost alot of terrific defenders)

Ithaca              35 (Joe Germ will start and there may be a Wabi sighting late)
St. Vincent       7

Westfield          17
Union               28

St. Lawrence    14 (there may be a pass or two in this matchup)
Utica                45

Case West        52 
Rochester         7   (tough match for YJ)

Re Hobart QB, this is a lazy trope/axiom that doesn't mean anything.  Worked out for FL with chris leak and Tim Tebow.  Hoffman is a drach recruit who Did quite well last year after sitting behind Sweeney for Two years while krewson was all LL as a athlete as a FR DeWall recruit.  Hoffman has earned his starting spot but krewson May be better.  Apparently not paying attention to D1 football or you'd see what's gone on at alabama and Clemson last two years.  That is as old as anything in football and just not true anymore. 

When you throw in the dad and what we know post RPI game re Germinerio its a very fair piece to write and worth questioning what a relatively new HC at IC wants to be representative of the program and institution whether it works out or not.0

What is the issue with Hobart QBs and any questions on sportsmanship? 

[Ice Bear]

Ice Bear says Hobart beats Brockport...

[NYfootball]

My take on the Germinerio transfer:

I believe it is common knowledge that the player can be fiery (if under control, you want your QB like that) and rather animated if things don't go his way, which is on full display during the game. If you have been near his family at games, you can see where that comes from. It has been alleged that it spills over into the locker room as well.

On the field, he is not a typical 'pocket' 3000 yard passing qb, he moves and extends plays, even up to a few seconds, and sometimes takes off and runs. He is a very good athlete at that position at D3 level. Also, it cannot be stated enough, that he had a great unit around him. The defense was terrific too.

So the team experienced success, awards were received, leading to a possible inflated sense of personal value to the squad. Couple that with some poor parental advice, and he thought he could transfer to D1 as a quarterback. It doesn't help that some national nitwit wrote awhile ago that Germinerio could help Michigan. He can't, imo. His style and size would get him killed.

He isn't Eric Dungey, not the same arm or the same speed. They have similar styles, but not the same player, to take the physical abuse that playing like he does would certainly bring. He also is not a rhythm passer, at all. He is creative and guys come off routes to fill space while he roams around. Thats fine in High School and D3.

When no D1 or D2 schools were interested, he was in a bind. Can't go back to Brockport, so had to look around D3, and talked to at least one E8 team (who didn't bite), and I heard another LL team before heading to Ithaca.

He is a much different style player than Nabi, and adjusting to playing on grass will be interesting to watch unfold.

 

[Bartman]

https://theithacan.org/sports/quarterback-sneak-all-american-transfers-after-graduating/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIJTEI_Hg_Y

Fan counter point we got was this:


find this perplexing...if Joe (Germinerio) is paying for his own education (vis cash, student loans, grants, or educational scholarship), why would it be anyone elses comcern on where he attends, what he does, what sport he plays, or even if he graduates? Thats his business.

What do you guys' think?

First of all , it is within the rules of D3, if the institution waives its degree requirements for attendance. Any of us could take a semester at Ithaca without the requirement of pursuing a degree. It is clear from his response in the article that he has no intention of completing a degree at Ithaca. So it is a free country and Joe G. can do what he wants. I  suspect Joe was drawn to play at MetLife and an NFL scout look was a key part in his decision. That said, it bothers me because I love that D3 is isolated from the D1 world of listing transfers and the "business" of football. I personally think the game should be played by student athletes that reflect the overall educational institution priorities. In this case, Joe G is effectively a single purpose attendee of 12 academic credits that he doesn't even need to complete at the end of the semester. He said in the article that he rejected pursuing a grad degree because it would interfere with his football schedule. Personally, I would not have asked one of Hobart's QB's to sit for a year to accept Joe G. as a "here for the Fall" transfer, make my team better, and say may the best man win a competition. This is not to say I don't respect Joe's motivation to play for a team that just happens to be playing at MetLife this season and Joe may get a last look at a shot at the NFL. I just don't think it is right to my players that are committed to the entire community and want to walk across the stage for my institutions diploma, and not just 10 football games. Just one opinion.

[RolandWest]

My take on the Germinerio transfer:

I believe it is common knowledge that the player can be fiery (if under control, you want your QB like that) and rather animated if things don't go his way, which is on full display during the game. If you have been near his family at games, you can see where that comes from. It has been alleged that it spills over into the locker room as well.

On the field, he is not a typical 'pocket' 3000 yard passing qb, he moves and extends plays, even up to a few seconds, and sometimes takes off and runs. He is a very good athlete at that position at D3 level. Also, it cannot be stated enough, that he had a great unit around him. The defense was terrific too.

So the team experienced success, awards were received, leading to a possible inflated sense of personal value to the squad. Couple that with some poor parental advice, and he thought he could transfer to D1 as a quarterback. It doesn't help that some national nitwit wrote awhile ago that Germinerio could help Michigan. He can't, imo. His style and size would get him killed.

He isn't Eric Dungey, not the same arm or the same speed. They have similar styles, but not the same player, to take the physical abuse that playing like he does would certainly bring. He also is not a rhythm passer, at all. He is creative and guys come off routes to fill space while he roams around. Thats fine in High School and D3.

When no D1 or D2 schools were interested, he was in a bind. Can't go back to Brockport, so had to look around D3, and talked to at least one E8 team (who didn't bite), and I heard another LL team before heading to Ithaca.

He is a much different style player than Nabi, and adjusting to playing on grass will be interesting to watch unfold.

As someone who has watched every game he played at Brockport (family member of current Golden Eagle) and a former D3 assistant myself I would agree with some of the assessment.  His creativity extending plays is certainly a plus, but I think you're selling him short as an operator in the pocket.  I think part of the issue in terms of not being a rhythm passer come from the structure of the offense itself.  While it's not wholesale Tony Franklin system, it is heavily cribbed from that style with lots of "pick a side" type reads as opposed to pure progression/R4 type stuff.

My understanding of how the progression/coverage keys are taught makes it seem pretty vague (and therefore easier to get the signals crossed with receiver or fooled by well disguised coverages).  I will be interested to see how he functions in a different offense in that regard.  Maybe more structure does him good, or perhaps it stifles the freewheeling style he's done well with.

  He definitely has a fiery attitude from what I've seen (and heard reported back to me), but it was never framed as crossing the threshold towards detrimental to the team.   

I had not heard the aspect that he wanted to transfer to a D1 (or even FCS/D2) level school.  I think there's a part of all athletes that has to be irrationally confident, but that is a bridge too far.  The gulf in physical talent between even a strong D3 program like Brockport and higher levels can be very high.  Add in the fact that he would be a "rental" and it's hard to see who in his corner would've assumed transferring up was even feasible much less advisable.  Maybe that's where some enabling from the parents came in. 

FYI that "national outlet" that said Joe G should transfer to Michigan is Barstool Sports, not exactly a descendant of Grantland Rice journalism.  I very much doubt that had anything to do with inflated self worth.  It's one half step above the Onion. 

[Bartman]

https://theithacan.org/sports/quarterback-sneak-all-american-transfers-after-graduating/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIJTEI_Hg_Y

Fan counter point we got was this:


find this perplexing...if Joe (Germinerio) is paying for his own education (vis cash, student loans, grants, or educational scholarship), why would it be anyone elses comcern on where he attends, what he does, what sport he plays, or even if he graduates? Thats his business.

What do you guys' think?

I had not watched the youtube prior to my earlier post. I have to agree with Frank's comments. I must also say I am extremely impressed with how Nabi has handled the situation. If Nabi is not the starter by game four, he could also play the transfer game by leaving the team and IC  , legitimately have two years of eligibility left and seek a degree from a school that won't bench him for a "Fall" transfer. I am sure I will get a few negative karma's for this from IC faithful or Joe G fans, but that's what I think.

[RolandWest]

https://theithacan.org/sports/quarterback-sneak-all-american-transfers-after-graduating/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIJTEI_Hg_Y

Fan counter point we got was this:


find this perplexing...if Joe (Germinerio) is paying for his own education (vis cash, student loans, grants, or educational scholarship), why would it be anyone elses comcern on where he attends, what he does, what sport he plays, or even if he graduates? Thats his business.

What do you guys' think?

I had not watched the youtube prior to my earlier post. I have to agree with Frank's comments. I must also say I am extremely impressed with how Nabi has handled the situation. If Nabi is not the starter by game four, he could also play the transfer game by leaving the team and IC  , legitimately have two years of eligibility left and seek a degree from a school that won't bench him for a "Fall" transfer. I am sure I will get a few negative karma's for this from IC faithful or Joe G fans, but that's what I think.

Nabi would have one year left of eligibility in that scenario.  The Division III eligibility clock is not the same as FBS.  From NCAA website:

"Division II 10-semester/15-quarter clock: If you play at a Division II or III school, you have the first 10 semesters or 15 quarters in which you are enrolled as a full-time student to complete your four seasons of competition. You use a semester or quarter any time you attend class as a fulltime student or are enrolled part-time and compete for the school. You do not use a term if you only attend part-time with no competition or are not enrolled for a term."

"Season of competition: NCAA student-athletes are allowed to compete for four seasons in one sport. Division I and II student-athletes who compete for any amount of time during a season use up one season in their sport. Division III student-athletes who practice or compete after the first date of competition in their sport use up one season in their sport. "

In order to do as you suggested, Nabi would've had to withdraw from school before classes started at IC (or at least drop down to part time)  If he left after game four, he would still only have one year of football eligibility remaining.

[Bartman]

https://theithacan.org/sports/quarterback-sneak-all-american-transfers-after-graduating/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIJTEI_Hg_Y

Fan counter point we got was this:


find this perplexing...if Joe (Germinerio) is paying for his own education (vis cash, student loans, grants, or educational scholarship), why would it be anyone elses comcern on where he attends, what he does, what sport he plays, or even if he graduates? Thats his business.

What do you guys' think?

I had not watched the youtube prior to my earlier post. I have to agree with Frank's comments. I must also say I am extremely impressed with how Nabi has handled the situation. If Nabi is not the starter by game four, he could also play the transfer game by leaving the team and IC  , legitimately have two years of eligibility left and seek a degree from a school that won't bench him for a "Fall" transfer. I am sure I will get a few negative karma's for this from IC faithful or Joe G fans, but that's what I think.

Nabi would have one year left of eligibility in that scenario.  The Division III eligibility clock is not the same as FBS.  From NCAA website:

"Division II 10-semester/15-quarter clock: If you play at a Division II or III school, you have the first 10 semesters or 15 quarters in which you are enrolled as a full-time student to complete your four seasons of competition. You use a semester or quarter any time you attend class as a fulltime student or are enrolled part-time and compete for the school. You do not use a term if you only attend part-time with no competition or are not enrolled for a term."

"Season of competition: NCAA student-athletes are allowed to compete for four seasons in one sport. Division I and II student-athletes who compete for any amount of time during a season use up one season in their sport. Division III student-athletes who practice or compete after the first date of competition in their sport use up one season in their sport. "

In order to do as you suggested, Nabi would've had to withdraw from school before classes started at IC (or at least drop down to part time)  If he left after game four, he would still only have one year of football eligibility remaining.

Thanks for the clarification, my bad. All the more reason to be impressed with Nabi's attitude.