FB: Liberty League

[Machiavelli]

First off, quick apology to everyone I disagreed with on Joe G. After his week 1 performance, I will agree with and be a proponent of every reason you can give out as to why Ithaca shouldn't have him on the team or play him. Your reasons can be as outlandish, ridiculous, conniving, self-serving, or butt hurtedly as you want to make them. I will 100% agree WITH YOU AND i'll be happy to carry the torch. Hopefully Ithaca will bow down to the LLPP commentary before 11/9.

Next up, is it too soon to say the LL top 4 looks stronger than possibly ever this year? I KNOW it's only week 1, and really only Hobart had an impressive win, but RPI, Union, and Ithaca did everything that was expected of them, which rarely happens in Week 1.

Lastly, big shoutout to D3.com'er Ryan Tipps for his bold week 1 'Which Top 25 team is most likely to get upset' prediction. For those who didn't read it, here's the bold prediction:


Ryan's take: No. 19 RPI. Two teams on different trajectories: RPI graduated a huge number of starters, and Allegheny has lots coming back to upset the Engineer apple cart.

Very bold take and you woulda looked like an evil genius had Allegheny PULLED IT out. On that note, I just dropped $100 on the Raiders winning the Super Bowl this year.





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[Ice Bear]

First off, quick apology to everyone I disagreed with on Joe G. After his week 1 performance, I will agree with and be a proponent of every reason you can give out as to why Ithaca shouldn't have him on the team or play him. Your reasons can be as outlandish, ridiculous, conniving, self-serving, or butt hurtedly as you want to make them. I will 100% agree WITH YOU AND i'll be happy to carry the torch. Hopefully Ithaca will bow down to the LLPP commentary before 11/9.

Next up, is it too soon to say the LL top 4 looks stronger than possibly ever this year? I KNOW it's only week 1, and really only Hobart had an impressive win, but RPI, Union, and Ithaca did everything that was expected of them, which rarely happens in Week 1.

Lastly, big shoutout to D3.com'er Ryan Tipps for his bold week 1 'Which Top 25 team is most likely to get upset' prediction. For those who didn't read it, here's the bold prediction:


Ryan's take: No. 19 RPI. Two teams on different trajectories: RPI graduated a huge number of starters, and Allegheny has lots coming back to upset the Engineer apple cart.

Very bold take and you woulda looked like an evil genius had Allegheny PULLED IT out. On that note, I just dropped $100 on the Raiders winning the Super Bowl this year.





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Ice bear feels student athletes at the Division 3 level should be able to freely transfer to other Division 3 schools for the following reasons:

-any disagreement with a coach or current player
-they don't want to continue their education but just want to play sports
-if they lose a meaningful game and feel like turning their backs on their fellow players
-if they aspire to play in the NFL
-if their current team graduates many key players and will not be as strong the following year
-if they feel sad
-if they feel like they are better than everyone else...yet not good enough to play at the next level

[Machiavelli]

First off, quick apology to everyone I disagreed with on Joe G. After his week 1 performance, I will agree with and be a proponent of every reason you can give out as to why Ithaca shouldn't have him on the team or play him. Your reasons can be as outlandish, ridiculous, conniving, self-serving, or butt hurtedly as you want to make them. I will 100% agree WITH YOU AND i'll be happy to carry the torch. Hopefully Ithaca will bow down to the LLPP commentary before 11/9.

Next up, is it too soon to say the LL top 4 looks stronger than possibly ever this year? I KNOW it's only week 1, and really only Hobart had an impressive win, but RPI, Union, and Ithaca did everything that was expected of them, which rarely happens in Week 1.

Lastly, big shoutout to D3.com'er Ryan Tipps for his bold week 1 'Which Top 25 team is most likely to get upset' prediction. For those who didn't read it, here's the bold prediction:


Ryan's take: No. 19 RPI. Two teams on different trajectories: RPI graduated a huge number of starters, and Allegheny has lots coming back to upset the Engineer apple cart.

Very bold take and you woulda looked like an evil genius had Allegheny PULLED IT out. On that note, I just dropped $100 on the Raiders winning the Super Bowl this year.





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Ice bear feels student athletes at the Division 3 level should be able to freely transfer to other Division 3 schools for the following reasons:

-any disagreement with a coach or current player
-they don't want to continue their education but just want to play sports
-if they lose a meaningful game and feel like turning their backs on their fellow players
-if they aspire to play in the NFL
-if their current team graduates many key players and will not be as strong the following year
-if they feel sad
-if they feel like they are better than everyone else...yet not good enough to play at the next level

You're supposed to give reasons against this, not for it! You're killing my mojo! Down with Ithaca! They are immoral and wrong! Bench Joe G! Bench Joe G! Bench Joe G! .... Come on, everyone now... Bench Joe G! Bench Joe G!! Bench Joe G!!!

[NYfootball]

Pure slop by SLU tonight.   Unbelievably atrocious football.  I'd be surprised if we even won a game this year.

I think SLU is a good enough football team, play hard and don't quit and will win some games. They probably throw too much though, based on their personnel. I think you will have a better season this year.

You got a tough first game, Utica was the better team in all 3 phases, and didn't appear to show much of their offense. They used a 2 back set frequently. They are fast.

[NYfootball]

I'm not sure we know much yet, I think we could agree many teams played lower comp this week.

Ithaca has a bye and then play Alfred at home. That game will be a good gauge, and Ithaca having an extra week to prep for Alfred helps them.

RPI has a tough couple of weeks upcoming, WPI and then Utica. If they go 3-0, that will tell us alot about if their new guys are ready for a repeat.

Union has Anna Maria and Springfield, it's hard to tell if Springfield is good yet.

Hobart has Morrisville and Rowan, it may take longer to see what they really are, they had a great win over Brockport but I have questions about who that says more about.

[Machiavelli]

I'm not sure we know much yet, I think we could agree many teams played lower comp this week.

Ithaca has a bye and then play Alfred at home. That game will be a good gauge, and Ithaca having an extra week to prep for Alfred helps them.

RPI has a tough couple of weeks upcoming, WPI and then Utica. If they go 3-0, that will tell us alot about if their new guys are ready for a repeat.

Union has Anna Maria and Springfield, it's hard to tell if Springfield is good yet.

Hobart has Morrisville and Rowan, it may take longer to see what they really are, they had a great win over Brockport but I have questions about who that says more about.

I'd say Springfield is going to be no better than mediocre. WPI is a huge question mark for me right now though. I know they have a tendency to start strong and Woo St tends to be all over the map. But a 51-0 W with a 34-0 halftime score, no matter who you're playing, definitely can open some eyes. I'm paying attention to them. Utica seems to be tough most years and this seems no different. I feel like they are always on the brink of breaking through to the top tier, but drop a few games they should win. Definitely a good middle of the road opening 3 for RPI. Going 3-0 won't mean they are a world beater, but not going 0-3 will likely prove they aren't nearly as strong as a year ago. #FootballSeason

[Bartman]

First off, quick apology to everyone I disagreed with on Joe G. After his week 1 performance, I will agree with and be a proponent of every reason you can give out as to why Ithaca shouldn't have him on the team or play him. Your reasons can be as outlandish, ridiculous, conniving, self-serving, or butt hurtedly as you want to make them. I will 100% agree WITH YOU AND i'll be happy to carry the torch. Hopefully Ithaca will bow down to the LLPP commentary before 11/9.

Next up, is it too soon to say the LL top 4 looks stronger than possibly ever this year? I KNOW it's only week 1, and really only Hobart had an impressive win, but RPI, Union, and Ithaca did everything that was expected of them, which rarely happens in Week 1.

Lastly, big shoutout to D3.com'er Ryan Tipps for his bold week 1 'Which Top 25 team is most likely to get upset' prediction. For those who didn't read it, here's the bold prediction:


Ryan's take: No. 19 RPI. Two teams on different trajectories: RPI graduated a huge number of starters, and Allegheny has lots coming back to upset the Engineer apple cart.

Very bold take and you woulda looked like an evil genius had Allegheny PULLED IT out. On that note, I just dropped $100 on the Raiders winning the Super Bowl this year.





*This post has been edited to align with LLPP odd text formatting.

Ice bear feels student athletes at the Division 3 level should be able to freely transfer to other Division 3 schools for the following reasons:

-any disagreement with a coach or current player
-they don't want to continue their education but just want to play sports
-if they lose a meaningful game and feel like turning their backs on their fellow players
-if they aspire to play in the NFL
-if their current team graduates many key players and will not be as strong the following year
-if they feel sad
-if they feel like they are better than everyone else...yet not good enough to play at the next level

I need a large barrel to catch the dripping sarcasm from Mach. Nice concern by Ice Bear in  support  of athlete choice. It doesn't really matter now, each person and institution have made their choices , including an NCAA rules body that probably never anticipated this unique scenario that can only happen in D3. I wouldn't be surprised that a rules adjustment may appear in the future and be called the "Germinero" rule. I am totally cool with moving on, eagerly anticipating Hobart facing a talented Joe Germinerio IC team in Ithaca this year and enjoying  the awesome season a very strong LL will have , especially from the top four teams. I do think that the Liberty League will have 2 participants in the NCAA tourney this year....I would put $100 on that . 

[Machiavelli]

Bartman, I would NEVER be sarcastic.

[Ice Bear]

Ice Bear feels that the Pride aren't going to be very good this year, or at least good compared to the top teams in the East. The loss to UWNE/WNECU/CNEWU/NWCUE... is somewhat telling. Union will have a ****ing iceberg size step up when they face the now mighty Pumpkins. On the other hand Utica looks really good to Ice Bear this season and he feels that if RPI is 3-0 they really will be for real once again. Tipps was off his ****ing rocker for picking against the Engineers in week #1.

[Machiavelli]

Ice Bear feels that the Pride aren't going to be very good this year, or at least good compared to the top teams in the East. The loss to UWNE/WNECU/CNEWU/NWCUE... is somewhat telling. Union will have a ****ing iceberg size step up when they face the now mighty Pumpkins. On the other hand Utica looks really good to Ice Bear this season and he feels that if RPI is 3-0 they really will be for real once again. Tipps was off his ****ing rocker for picking against the Engineers in week #1.

Hobart's win looks GREAT on paper this early in the season. But it's yet to be determined if Brockport is really any good this year. As much as Germinerio has gotten bashed here, he was a major part of their success the last 2 years. The defense was nails, but he struggled vs. 2 good defenses(Ithaca and RPI). Clearly their defense isn't quite as good this year. Not saying Brockport WILL be down this year, but they COULD be down this year. Time will tell how good of a win it was for Hobart, but for right now, it looks very good.

[Machiavelli]

I also feel the LL will be significantly better than the E8 this year. Particularly at the top half. Bottom half of the LL is complete garbage unfortunately.

[ITH radio]

A few random comments:

WNE played Frostburg tough in the playoffs last season and has an experienced squad back this year. Alec Coleman is a legit dual threat. They and Endicott appear to be the best teams in NE after WK 1.

The MASCAC looked BAD so the torch seems to have been passed to the private schools this season. The NEWMAC had a rough wkd too with SC and MIT losing the way they did. WPI has their biggest SR class in program history, plus two (finally) healthy 1k type of RBs. Frank picked them to win the NEWMAC and that pick looks pretty good rn. If WPI beats RPI, that'll say a lot for C Rob's group.

The (RPI) Engineers D gave up a lot of yards to the Gators but that could have been in garbage time. Like Hobart, RPI feasted on turnovers (so did Endicott btw who otherwise had bad rushing numbers, just like Hobart, but their QB threw the ball really well, taking advantage of the good FP).

BP may or may not be the top team in the E8 anymore. I think Cortland is the likely heir apparent but Utica, a team we called as the "sleeper" in that league, has a talented squad and could beat teams like BP and Alfred to make things interesting.

If I had to rank confs after 1 wk of games, I'd go with 1. NJ, 2. LL, 3. E8, 4. MAC, 5. CCC, 6. NEW, 7. MAS, 8. ECFC (sorry NESCAC, you'd probably be around 3.5 if you played anyone else in the region).

We've got some good interviews and highlights from the wkd. Stay tuned.

[Bombers798891]

I'm not sure about the two bids. It really depends how strong the E8 is.

Union's non E8 OOC looks awful. Hobart's not getting a lot of help so far from the NJAC, and a Mach says, who knows what we're gonna get from B-Port. Allegheny and Anna Maria won't be helping RPI.

The best bet might be a 9-1 IC. Alfred was 8-3 last year, and won impressively in Week 1. Ditto Cortland, who went 7-4. Heck, even Fisher took care of a team that waxed them the year before.

If those teams finish 1-2-3 in the E8, and IC beats them all, but loses to RPI, that might put them in. It helps, I think, that the IC-RPI game is late in the year. If both teams were undefeated, a close loss might not do a lot of damage.

[ITH radio]

RPI beating WPI this wkd could be big for them down the stretch. In a 3 way tie scenario where say RPI loses to Hobart (who will be the home team), beats IC (at home on RPI's SR day) and IC beats HOB (Statesmen haven't been able to ever win at Butterfield); RPI would win the Pool A based on the teams with wins over .500 tiebreaker. Sub in Union for RPI and it's advantage IC, assuming they beat ALF and CORT.

[Machiavelli]

RPI beating WPI this wkd could be big for them down the stretch. In a 3 way tie scenario where say RPI loses to Hobart (who will be the home team), beats IC (at home on RPI's SR day) and IC beats HOB (Statesmen haven't been able to ever win at Butterfield); RPI would win the Pool A based on the teams with wins over .500 tiebreaker. Sub in Union for RPI and it's advantage IC, assuming they beat ALF and CORT.

Beating WPI could also be huge for SOS if there were a 9-1 tie in the LL. I could see WPI winning 8 or 9 with that schedule.