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[ITH radio]

That is a correct statement. RPI has a chance to get one this wkd. Best matchup under the Wesley-DelVal one this wkd. Alfred-George Fox is also a very interesting one - would help the east big if the Saxons win it.

[Oline89]

So I have had the fortune of seeing Hobart play Brockport and Alfred in person.  Granted Alfred was a scrimmage.  To my eye, Brockport put a much stronger team on the field.  The big question going forward is the health of the Bport QB.  He left the game in the 3rd Q with some sort of hand/wrist injury.  Brockport's backups QB's really struggled to get a passing game going.

[pumkinattack]

I also just kind of want to see an LL team with an impressive win before I even think about two bids.

Westfield State, St. Vincent, and Allegheny are not a murderer's row of wins. And yes, it's fair to wonder what Brockport will have this year, given how terrible they were at QB in Week 1. That win by Hobart is great if it turn out that Port is still the class of the E8. It's less impressive if they're the third place team behind Alfred and Cortland. (And I've heard some good things about Fisher, particularly their transfer at RB).

Murdering the third place team in even a diluted E8 while knocking out their starting QB is probably sill better than beating WPI, fisher or Springfield.  At least one of the two of Rowan and MSU will likely finish top 3 in the NJAC.  It was every bit the bloodbath Brockport gave Hobart the year before and getting plenty of credit for it, brockport this year will likely be better than Hobart was last year. 
Sure seems like a lot of people are working a lot of mental gymnastics to dilute the hell out of the hobart game while propping up their own surely min weaker opponents.  We will see.  Going into the year no one questioned who the toughest schedule after Bart had one of the toughest in the country last year.  Roster turnover in the last two years makes it like a brand new program practically so there's going to be a lot more improvement coming from Geneva as the season progresses.

[Ice Bear]

I also just kind of want to see an LL team with an impressive win before I even think about two bids.

Westfield State, St. Vincent, and Allegheny are not a murderer's row of wins. And yes, it's fair to wonder what Brockport will have this year, given how terrible they were at QB in Week 1. That win by Hobart is great if it turn out that Port is still the class of the E8. It's less impressive if they're the third place team behind Alfred and Cortland. (And I've heard some good things about Fisher, particularly their transfer at RB).

Murdering the third place team in even a diluted E8 while knocking out their starting QB is probably sill better than beating WPI, fisher or Springfield.  At least one of the two of Rowan and MSU will likely finish top 3 in the NJAC.  It was every bit the bloodbath Brockport gave Hobart the year before and getting plenty of credit for it, brockport this year will likely be better than Hobart was last year. 
Sure seems like a lot of people are working a lot of mental gymnastics to dilute the hell out of the hobart game while propping up their own surely min weaker opponents.  We will see.  Going into the year no one questioned who the toughest schedule after Bart had one of the toughest in the country last year.  Roster turnover in the last two years makes it like a brand new program practically so there's going to be a lot more improvement coming from Geneva as the season progresses.

Ice Bear says Hobart hold your pumpkins up high after kicking Bports ass. Ice Bear says the Statesmen deserve it. Other three top LL teams will need to prove themselves against each other is all.

[NYfootball]

https://twitter.com/HobartFootball/status/1171501572871733249?s=09

Guys, i know this is only a few plays, and is a highlight for Hobart,  but this is not the same Brockport we saw the past couple of years.

[Bombers798891]

I also just kind of want to see an LL team with an impressive win before I even think about two bids.

Westfield State, St. Vincent, and Allegheny are not a murderer's row of wins. And yes, it's fair to wonder what Brockport will have this year, given how terrible they were at QB in Week 1. That win by Hobart is great if it turn out that Port is still the class of the E8. It's less impressive if they're the third place team behind Alfred and Cortland. (And I've heard some good things about Fisher, particularly their transfer at RB).

Murdering the third place team in even a diluted E8 while knocking out their starting QB is probably sill better than beating WPI, fisher or Springfield.  At least one of the two of Rowan and MSU will likely finish top 3 in the NJAC.  It was every bit the bloodbath Brockport gave Hobart the year before and getting plenty of credit for it, brockport this year will likely be better than Hobart was last year. 
Sure seems like a lot of people are working a lot of mental gymnastics to dilute the hell out of the hobart game while propping up their own surely min weaker opponents.  We will see.  Going into the year no one questioned who the toughest schedule after Bart had one of the toughest in the country last year.  Roster turnover in the last two years makes it like a brand new program practically so there's going to be a lot more improvement coming from Geneva as the season progresses.

Having serious concerns about a team that unexpectedly lost its starting quarterback, and then went out in Week 1 and got terrible production from the quarterback spot is not "mental gymnastics"

By my count, Brockport had 9 guys on the all-region team last year, and exactly one of them returned.
Why shouldn't a 33-7 loss be concerning given that level of losses? Hobart is going to be good this year, but so are Cortland and Alfred. And if Hobart can lose by 49 to Port last year and win by 26 this year, I'm certainly not going to discount the possibility that the good teams in the E8 can do something similar, and relegate the Golden Eagles to 3rd in the conference .

I also should point out that I didn't say Port wasn't a good win. Just that, in the context of a two-bid conference, which is the point I was responding to, it might not be the type of win that a 9-1 Pool C team can hang its hat on in this era of 5 at large bids. If Brockport goes say, 7-3, and finishes 3rd in a good E8, they're still a good team and it's still a good win for Hobart, and barring a total collapse, it's certainly world's better than beating St. Vincent and the rest of the teams the LL contenders beat last week. It just might not be a "sit up and take notice " win. There could be a lot of teams with those types of wins over good, not great teams on their resume come playoff time.

Who knows, maybe Port is still really good and Hobart is just that much better, and this is their year to go 12-1 and terrorize the region. I'm fine being wrong.

[pumkinattack]

Just beating a marginally better Cortland or alfred by day 3-10pts isn't the same as a blowout
Though, which it was.  Let's not forget the other three Hobart losses were very close including to rP and IC last year and two of the top FR recruits for Hobart last year were injured are back in CJ calero (6 tackles) and Mike Zaccone (1 reception for TD) and DeWall has tossed or run off a ton of kids if you look at the roster turnover. Seriously calero is a stud look at his HS performance better than brandon Sheds accolades out of FL, also lost top tackler FR aguilar after and five and Captain jayson prince was injured all year. App had to deal with losing prior years top recruit dakota harvey.  OL is mostly turned over this is dewalls aecond year.  The OL is very young/new and remade so hobart is still an experiment but seems dismissive, especially when the ERFP has them 4, which is posters here and D3 has them #13, like that RPI game justifies them being inside top #20 or IC replacing a ton of It's D, which was its strength last year don't matter.  We will see but brockport didn't go to trash, everyone was swinging from Morrison's balls two years ago before injury, they'll be ok.  I've seem teams get more benefit 3-4 weeks in for lesser performances most years than either Brockport or hobart is getting after week 1 whereas any Hobart fan would've told you 6-3 after that BPort Loss lay year (Endicott never should've happened) while Union is beating their chest for beating up on New England sisters locally and nationally. 

We don't know what hobart is but there's talent, last year too, just a lot of attitudes most of which were run off and an entirely new D philosophy.  Have to look at them fresh.  Not like a carryover from last year.  As for a Brockport, again, no one was as dismissive of Hobart after the blowout last year until endicott compared with how people are down on bPort.  It's very inconsistent eand I'm seeing this "clearly IC, Union and RPI are great, maybe hobarts in the mix" sort of talk off week after work one which is odd.  Even the "oh those NJAC schools are trash, clearly Cortland Alfred are better" talk is so speculative it all adds
Up to a lot of work to reframe arguments.

[Jonny Utah]

Just beating a marginally better Cortland or alfred by day 3-10pts isn't the same as a blowout
Though, which it was.  Let's not forget the other three Hobart losses were very close including to rP and IC last year and two of the top FR recruits for Hobart last year were injured are back in CJ calero (6 tackles) and Mike Zaccone (1 reception for TD) and DeWall has tossed or run off a ton of kids if you look at the roster turnover. Seriously calero is a stud look at his HS performance better than brandon Sheds accolades out of FL, also lost top tackler FR aguilar after and five and Captain jayson prince was injured all year. App had to deal with losing prior years top recruit dakota harvey.  OL is mostly turned over this is dewalls aecond year.  The OL is very young/new and remade so hobart is still an experiment but seems dismissive, especially when the ERFP has them 4, which is posters here and D3 has them #13, like that RPI game justifies them being inside top #20 or IC replacing a ton of It's D, which was its strength last year don't matter.  We will see but brockport didn't go to trash, everyone was swinging from Morrison's balls two years ago before injury, they'll be ok.  I've seem teams get more benefit 3-4 weeks in for lesser performances most years than either Brockport or hobart is getting after week 1 whereas any Hobart fan would've told you 6-3 after that BPort Loss lay year (Endicott never should've happened) while Union is beating their chest for beating up on New England sisters locally and nationally. 

We don't know what hobart is but there's talent, last year too, just a lot of attitudes most of which were run off and an entirely new D philosophy.  Have to look at them fresh.  Not like a carryover from last year.  As for a Brockport, again, no one was as dismissive of Hobart after the blowout last year until endicott compared with how people are down on bPort.  It's very inconsistent eand I'm seeing this "clearly IC, Union and RPI are great, maybe hobarts in the mix" sort of talk off week after work one which is odd.  Even the "oh those NJAC schools are trash, clearly Cortland Alfred are better" talk is so speculative it all adds
Up to a lot of work to reframe arguments.

Where are you getting the "maybe Hobart's in the mix" talk? I've gotten the impression that everyone on this chat at least has the LL top 4 teams being pretty much the same.  But I think everyone has a right to question any team in week one at this point, but no one would question Hobart being with Union, IC, or RPI even if they lost this game (because we probably would have all assumed Brockport was a top 25 team like they were ranked right?)

I think you are taking this too personal.  I've never gotten the impression that Union people are "beating their chest" over anything.  Ithaca and Union both looked almost perfect against what will probably turn out to be bad teams, and Brockport should be a question after losing what they lost.  If Cortland and Alfred beat Brockport (putting them in 1st and 2nd place like bombers was alluding to, meaning they both beat Brockport) then beating them would be better than beating Brockport in week 1 by 30 points, and even then you would need to take Brockport's final record into consideration. 

[Ice Bear]

Just beating a marginally better Cortland or alfred by day 3-10pts isn't the same as a blowout
Though, which it was.  Let's not forget the other three Hobart losses were very close including to rP and IC last year and two of the top FR recruits for Hobart last year were injured are back in CJ calero (6 tackles) and Mike Zaccone (1 reception for TD) and DeWall has tossed or run off a ton of kids if you look at the roster turnover. Seriously calero is a stud look at his HS performance better than brandon Sheds accolades out of FL, also lost top tackler FR aguilar after and five and Captain jayson prince was injured all year. App had to deal with losing prior years top recruit dakota harvey.  OL is mostly turned over this is dewalls aecond year.  The OL is very young/new and remade so hobart is still an experiment but seems dismissive, especially when the ERFP has them 4, which is posters here and D3 has them #13, like that RPI game justifies them being inside top #20 or IC replacing a ton of It's D, which was its strength last year don't matter.  We will see but brockport didn't go to trash, everyone was swinging from Morrison's balls two years ago before injury, they'll be ok.  I've seem teams get more benefit 3-4 weeks in for lesser performances most years than either Brockport or hobart is getting after week 1 whereas any Hobart fan would've told you 6-3 after that BPort Loss lay year (Endicott never should've happened) while Union is beating their chest for beating up on New England sisters locally and nationally. 

We don't know what hobart is but there's talent, last year too, just a lot of attitudes most of which were run off and an entirely new D philosophy.  Have to look at them fresh.  Not like a carryover from last year.  As for a Brockport, again, no one was as dismissive of Hobart after the blowout last year until endicott compared with how people are down on bPort.  It's very inconsistent eand I'm seeing this "clearly IC, Union and RPI are great, maybe hobarts in the mix" sort of talk off week after work one which is odd.  Even the "oh those NJAC schools are trash, clearly Cortland Alfred are better" talk is so speculative it all adds
Up to a lot of work to reframe arguments.

Ice Bear, nor any Union fans he knows have beaten their chests about anything...however please remember we were 0 and ****ing 10 not long ago. Ice Bear says Unions fans have a right to be happy about being in the mix again after that ****ing drop of shame that took place. ****, Ice Bear would celebrate a win over a drunken club team after all that shiat...

[Bombers798891]

  Even the "oh those NJAC schools are trash, clearly Cortland Alfred are better" talk is so speculative it all adds Up to a lot of work to reframe arguments.

None of these arguments have anything to do with Hobart, though.

Brockport lost nearly all of its of all-region players from last year, including their QB unexpectedly, and then went out in Week 1 and lost its first regular season game since 2016, by 26 points . If you think I wouldn't be saying the same thing about them had they lost to anyone else on their schedule, you're just wrong. That is a super concerning result for Brockport.

And my opinions on Alfred and Cortland compared to Montclair and Rowan have zero to do with Hobart. But it's worth pointing out that the voters have both the Saxons and Red Dragons RV, and Montclair and Rowan not, so I'm certainly not alone in how I perceive them.

[ITH radio]

Very heartwarming story on IC FB player Joe Spor, Jr, who lost his father, a firefighter / first responder in the 9-11 attacks I found via the IC FB twitter feed. I also posted about a former teammate in the gohobart.blogspot.com blog and we'll run the Zaloom 9-11 tribute in today's ITH episode.

Never Forget.

[Bartman]

Very heartwarming story on IC FB player Joe Spor, Jr, who lost his father, a firefighter / first responder in the 9-11 attacks I found via the IC FB twitter feed. I also posted about a former teammate in the gohobart.blogspot.com blog and we'll run the Zaloom 9-11 tribute in today's ITH episode.

Never Forget.

+k for the remembrance.

[Bartman]

For this weekend:

    Buff State      17(6)     The LL glow looks good for the newbies
    Fishermen      14(23)

    Hobart            24(33)     The embarrassment from last year motivates the Statesmen
    Brockport        21(7)

    RPI                 21(52)      The Engineers are still putting things together, but escape with a win
    Allegheny        14(14)

    Ithaca              38(66)     Not much doubt. Joe G and Nabi both perform well
    St. Vincent        10(28)

    Union                28(42)    The Dutchmen feel like a legit LL Title contender
    Westfield           10(7)

    Utica                 35(40)     The Larries are no match this week
    SLU                  14(14)

    Case Western    35(37)     Flashes of some good football from the Yellow jackets, but no W     
    U or R                21(6)

6-1 in  Week 1 and the LL goes 4-3 in OOC games

   Week 2:

Hobart      31        Mville         14            Statesmen win but would rather be at home as Mustangs go for a couple of gallops

Rochester 14        Endicott     31            The Gulls prove too much for the slowly improving Yellowjackets

RPI            28        WPI           21            No easy win for the LL Engineers as this one goes down to the final minute

Union        52         Ana Maria   7            Dutchmen break some passing records

SLU          28          Norwich     14          The Larries celebrate a win over the Cadets

Buff State  14        Utica           28           Bengals need to sharpen their teeth a little more to get their first win

[Machiavelli]

I posted this over on the NEWMAC board but thought maybe someone here knows as well.

Random question but are there any WPI people here that could tell me if I could bring a dog to Alumni stadium? My gut says it's no big deal and I can sit on the hill but wanted to check if anyone knows before we made the drive.

[ITH radio]

There is nothing on their stadium page that says it's prohibited. You can email rusty@wpi.edu to clarify.