FB: Liberty League

[Oline89]

Not a great weekend overall for the LL.  2-3.  I would assume that the RPI loss drops them out of contention for the "potential" second playoff spot out of the league.  JHU losing now sets the table for a one loss team from the CC to get that spot (like Muhlenberg last year).  Great OOC games this weekend, looking forward to RPI-Utica, IC-AU and Hobart-Rowan, all will help us understand the how good each team really is.

I would think JHU losing jeopardizes that conference as a whole from going after that spot correct?

Well, last year it was the same the situation, JHU lost an early game then went undefeated.   Muhlenberg then lost to JHU, and beat a strong OOC team (St Thomas Moore).  This year the Mules beat TCNJ (not such a strong opponent).  So early, but still possible for LL to get two in. 

[Jonny Utah]

Not a great weekend overall for the LL.  2-3.  I would assume that the RPI loss drops them out of contention for the "potential" second playoff spot out of the league.  JHU losing now sets the table for a one loss team from the CC to get that spot (like Muhlenberg last year).  Great OOC games this weekend, looking forward to RPI-Utica, IC-AU and Hobart-Rowan, all will help us understand the how good each team really is.

I would think JHU losing jeopardizes that conference as a whole from going after that spot correct?

Well, last year it was the same the situation, JHU lost an early game then went undefeated.   Muhlenberg then lost to JHU, and beat a strong OOC team (St Thomas Moore).  This year the Mules beat TCNJ (not such a strong opponent).  So early, but still possible for LL to get two in.

True, I'm just looking at the odds of JHU running the table no isn't so great, only because this loss happened so early (simply a numbers game).  But LL teams going 9-1 is probably going to be just as tough but like you say, still early.

[Machiavelli]

[Caz Bombers]

_{jmcozenlaw and his posse looking for atheists, clowns, ice bears and people who talk in the third person.....}

+K for The Righteous Gemstones

[Bartman]

Oline, PA, IceLip, Jonny U...Thanks for addressing that post much more eloquently than I could. I do find it unfortunate that any player on any team in any town in any division is dealing with hardships like what was mentioned. No one likes hearing that and I think everyone likely feels for said player(s).

I happened to be haphazardly listening to the DVC/Wesley game while doing other things and heard the broadcaster mention a D2 transfer. I have no idea who they were talking about, a name, a position, and quite honestly if it was on DVC or Wesley(I took a stab and picked one of them). I'd be willing to guess there is likely more than 1 transfer on either of those teams. It was something that fit what I believe to be a ridiculous, highly opinionated and judgmental narrative in this message board. In my very typical satirical, sarcastic attempt at humor, I brought it to this board to further show my feelings on how foolish I think the discussion is. End of story there.

Note to outside posters, IceBear and I would very likely enjoy each other's company over beers talking about football in real life. However, on this message board, we disagree on pretty much everything. The best unintentional humor I've read is how we were packaged together in this discussion as if we were both bashing some poor unfortunate kid together, while we were actually both saying the polar opposite things referencing an entirely different conversation, both in sarcastic and satirical tones. Like UFanBill, the term clueless comes to mind here. It's another case of sticking your nose where it doesn't belong. This is a football message board. It used to be fun. People understood sarcasm, humor, and that most things were meant in good fun. My world doesn't change when the team I route for wins or loses. I like to have some friendly banter. But like everything in this day and age, the fun has been sucked right out of it because of overly sensitive PC douchebags.

Henry Rosenbagga has come to this board before to do his/her thing and play the holier than thou card. This is the same person who told us all how successful he/she is and how rich and powerful and how Wall Street algorithmically unchallenged 'they' are. (FYI - Typically, people who tell you how rich and successful they are usually aren't.) With that said, i'll be spending the rest of the day practicing my dives and swimming techniques in my Uncle Scrooge vault filled with gold coins.

Poor Mach , so often misunderstood , I considered showing mild sympathy for your misinterpreted and unfortunate D2 player comment, but surely you would "mach" me for needlessly supporting you....you are consistently sarcastic and very often football credible and Bartman appreciates your small contribution to keeping Bartman's world a little less boring....Ice Bear , on the other hand , is hopelessly a Dutchmen supporter , speaks the truth but also likes to keep the harmony and often amuses Bartman......I have spoken with the D3 board police, Facebook, Google and the NSA  on your behalf and no suspensions will be instituted as long as you don't change your identities again to ease the tracking of your content.   

[Bartman]

Ignoring the back-and-forth over the past page to focus on the football.

Thoughts on the LL after two weeks:

Union: Wins are wins, but there are wins that tell us something and wins that tell us nothing. A win over Anna Maria tells us nothing. Union might be ready to take the LL, they might be in a second-tier in the conference, but we won't know until they play someone that can challenge them.

Buff State: They're clearly more competitive that they were last year, but they're still a step or two below the Hobart/IC/RPI/Union quartet.

St. Lawrence: Last year they lost by 3 to Utica and beat Norwich by 33 en route to a 2-8 season. This year, Utica beat them by 26, and Norwich beat them. I'm abandoning my typical "I don't like to judge teams before they get a home game" approach. St. Lawrence is maybe a bit above Rochester, but who knows.

Hobart: They topped a decent Morrisville team on the road, and the offense did a great job cashing in on great field position for the second week in a row (four of their five TD drives started in Morrisville territory.) That's how you win tough games down the line, by not squandering chances like that. Not the best defensive performance (allowed 6.0 YPP and four long scoring drives of 75 yards plus). But that's still a solid win, and evidence that Hobart is going to be in the mix for a LL title.

RPI: Every year, it seems like RPI just has a game where they just lay an egg on offense. Sometimes (like against IC last year) they win those games anyway. This year, it didn't go so well. I'm still not a believer in Utica (two home wins over teams that are not good does not get my engine revving), but they might be a good test to see if this week was RPI's annual offensive no show, or something to worry about.

IC: No new information. They're going to score if they're healthy, so everything is going to hinge on the young secondary coming together and stabilizing the back end for the Bombers' D.

Rochester: Still not good.

Thank you Bombers for keeping the LL content about football. I was going to give my insights, but they are so close to yours , I will just say +k and nice summary after week 2.

I was also wondering why the Morrisville( a legit E8 contender IMO) win by Hobart was considered a bad win by the D3 Top 25 posters, having slipped in points this week. I guess the logic is Mville is a mediocre team, and Brockport's win over Fram St. was unimpressive, so the Hobart wins are not worthy of the Top 25. Now , I don't know that Hobart is really a top 25 team yet, but I watched quite a bit of the Wesley-Del Val game and they don't look any better than the play I saw in the RPI, WPI game, and frankly the Hobart offense, despite its early season imperfections is better than any of the offenses I saw from those 4 teams. Time will tell.

Ithaca is still the favorite to win the LL, and I think there is still a chance of 2 LL teams making the dance.

[NYfootball]

Ignoring the back-and-forth over the past page to focus on the football.

Thoughts on the LL after two weeks:

Union: Wins are wins, but there are wins that tell us something and wins that tell us nothing. A win over Anna Maria tells us nothing. Union might be ready to take the LL, they might be in a second-tier in the conference, but we won't know until they play someone that can challenge them.

Buff State: They're clearly more competitive that they were last year, but they're still a step or two below the Hobart/IC/RPI/Union quartet.

St. Lawrence: Last year they lost by 3 to Utica and beat Norwich by 33 en route to a 2-8 season. This year, Utica beat them by 26, and Norwich beat them. I'm abandoning my typical "I don't like to judge teams before they get a home game" approach. St. Lawrence is maybe a bit above Rochester, but who knows.

Hobart: They topped a decent Morrisville team on the road, and the offense did a great job cashing in on great field position for the second week in a row (four of their five TD drives started in Morrisville territory.) That's how you win tough games down the line, by not squandering chances like that. Not the best defensive performance (allowed 6.0 YPP and four long scoring drives of 75 yards plus). But that's still a solid win, and evidence that Hobart is going to be in the mix for a LL title.

RPI: Every year, it seems like RPI just has a game where they just lay an egg on offense. Sometimes (like against IC last year) they win those games anyway. This year, it didn't go so well. I'm still not a believer in Utica (two home wins over teams that are not good does not get my engine revving), but they might be a good test to see if this week was RPI's annual offensive no show, or something to worry about.

IC: No new information. They're going to score if they're healthy, so everything is going to hinge on the young secondary coming together and stabilizing the back end for the Bombers' D.

Rochester: Still not good.

Union: I agree. we really don't have any idea how good they are yet. Is Springfield a test? Dunno

Buff State: They are big and Athletic on defense, coaching meh. If they improve on offense they won't be an easy out.

St. Law: I think they will win some games, Norwich is better this year

Hobart: They have been opportunistic and have capitalized on them. May take to week 4 to get a good gauge.

RPI: I dont know how well Utica will travel to RPI, but I expect a dog fight.

YJ: oh dear lord

[Ice Bear]

Oline, PA, IceLip, Jonny U...Thanks for addressing that post much more eloquently than I could. I do find it unfortunate that any player on any team in any town in any division is dealing with hardships like what was mentioned. No one likes hearing that and I think everyone likely feels for said player(s).

I happened to be haphazardly listening to the DVC/Wesley game while doing other things and heard the broadcaster mention a D2 transfer. I have no idea who they were talking about, a name, a position, and quite honestly if it was on DVC or Wesley(I took a stab and picked one of them). I'd be willing to guess there is likely more than 1 transfer on either of those teams. It was something that fit what I believe to be a ridiculous, highly opinionated and judgmental narrative in this message board. In my very typical satirical, sarcastic attempt at humor, I brought it to this board to further show my feelings on how foolish I think the discussion is. End of story there.

Note to outside posters, IceBear and I would very likely enjoy each other's company over beers talking about football in real life. However, on this message board, we disagree on pretty much everything. The best unintentional humor I've read is how we were packaged together in this discussion as if we were both bashing some poor unfortunate kid together, while we were actually both saying the polar opposite things referencing an entirely different conversation, both in sarcastic and satirical tones. Like UFanBill, the term clueless comes to mind here. It's another case of sticking your nose where it doesn't belong. This is a football message board. It used to be fun. People understood sarcasm, humor, and that most things were meant in good fun. My world doesn't change when the team I route for wins or loses. I like to have some friendly banter. But like everything in this day and age, the fun has been sucked right out of it because of overly sensitive PC douchebags.

Henry Rosenbagga has come to this board before to do his/her thing and play the holier than thou card. This is the same person who told us all how successful he/she is and how rich and powerful and how Wall Street algorithmically unchallenged 'they' are. (FYI - Typically, people who tell you how rich and successful they are usually aren't.) With that said, i'll be spending the rest of the day practicing my dives and swimming techniques in my Uncle Scrooge vault filled with gold coins.

Ice Bear feels this is very true...he is blushing

[Ice Bear]

_{jmcozenlaw and his posse looking for atheists, clowns, ice bears and people who talk in the third person.....}

Ice Bear says...this is ****ing hilarious

[Ice Bear]

Ignoring the back-and-forth over the past page to focus on the football.

Thoughts on the LL after two weeks:

Union: Wins are wins, but there are wins that tell us something and wins that tell us nothing. A win over Anna Maria tells us nothing. Union might be ready to take the LL, they might be in a second-tier in the conference, but we won't know until they play someone that can challenge them.

Buff State: They're clearly more competitive that they were last year, but they're still a step or two below the Hobart/IC/RPI/Union quartet.

St. Lawrence: Last year they lost by 3 to Utica and beat Norwich by 33 en route to a 2-8 season. This year, Utica beat them by 26, and Norwich beat them. I'm abandoning my typical "I don't like to judge teams before they get a home game" approach. St. Lawrence is maybe a bit above Rochester, but who knows.

Hobart: They topped a decent Morrisville team on the road, and the offense did a great job cashing in on great field position for the second week in a row (four of their five TD drives started in Morrisville territory.) That's how you win tough games down the line, by not squandering chances like that. Not the best defensive performance (allowed 6.0 YPP and four long scoring drives of 75 yards plus). But that's still a solid win, and evidence that Hobart is going to be in the mix for a LL title.

RPI: Every year, it seems like RPI just has a game where they just lay an egg on offense. Sometimes (like against IC last year) they win those games anyway. This year, it didn't go so well. I'm still not a believer in Utica (two home wins over teams that are not good does not get my engine revving), but they might be a good test to see if this week was RPI's annual offensive no show, or something to worry about.

IC: No new information. They're going to score if they're healthy, so everything is going to hinge on the young secondary coming together and stabilizing the back end for the Bombers' D.

Rochester: Still not good.

Union: I agree. we really don't have any idea how good they are yet. Is Springfield a test? Dunno

Buff State: They are big and Athletic on defense, coaching meh. If they improve on offense they won't be an easy out.

St. Law: I think they will win some games, Norwich is better this year

Hobart: They have been opportunistic and have capitalized on them. May take to week 4 to get a good gauge.

RPI: I dont know how well Utica will travel to RPI, but I expect a dog fight.

YJ: oh dear lord

Ice Bear says no. Ice Bear says that while the 2019 Pride certainly is a step up from the likes of Westfield and Anna "Pavoratti" Maria a loss for Bear's beloved Dutch would look pretty ****ing bad and a win still won't tell us ****. Ice Bear says until Hobart...The Dutch are the lone mystery of the LL's top 4.

[Machiavelli]

I don't think we can definitively classify 'what' RPI is just yet either because we have no idea what WPI is. I know it's hard to look at WPI in a real strong light just because they are historically meh, but maybe just maybe they have something decent over there. Probably not, but maybe. Worcester St appears to be god awful so that WPI win doesn't mean anything except they did blow the doors off. If it were like 24-0, maybe i'd feel differently.

But as mentioned above somewhere, RPI's offense was terrible. The big wideout Nick Smith(# 13) looks like a man amongst boys though and they really need to feed that guy.

[pumkinattack]

I think we'll know w rowan, record may be 0-3 for them but it's a hell of an 0-3, they're better than MSU the week later.  People shouldn't eat sucked in by records or box scores.  Frank rossi made the latter mistake in his interpretations (or just narrow arguments rather) often in the past. 

Only thing on IC until they show against some decent defenses is Sweeney and Shed are every bit G & g are and were not omnipotent their sr year.  Weak playcalling and a weak d can have a major influence on a good passing game.  Especially one reliant on long passes. 

For RPI, 3 pts against what is probably not a top 25 team, good though WPI may be, is a signal of something and their returning QB was 54% completion last year in a world where 60% is considered a floor for decent.

[Pat Coleman]

I was also wondering why the Morrisville( a legit E8 contender IMO) win by Hobart was considered a bad win by the D3 Top 25 posters, having slipped in points this week. I guess the logic is Mville is a mediocre team, and Brockport's win over Fram St. was unimpressive, so the Hobart wins are not worthy of the Top 25.

There are other games that also happened this week. For example, a lot of people felt like they had to make room for Susquehanna on their ballot, but very few people eliminated Johns Hopkins from theirs. I'm guessing Susquehanna is above Hobart on a lot of ballots, resulting in Hobart losing points.

[pumkinattack]

That's alright when we're both in since Susquehanna rise has come with a Hobart trainer HC!

[NED3Guy]

Ignoring the back-and-forth over the past page to focus on the football.

Thoughts on the LL after two weeks:

Union: Wins are wins, but there are wins that tell us something and wins that tell us nothing. A win over Anna Maria tells us nothing. Union might be ready to take the LL, they might be in a second-tier in the conference, but we won't know until they play someone that can challenge them.

Buff State: They're clearly more competitive that they were last year, but they're still a step or two below the Hobart/IC/RPI/Union quartet.

St. Lawrence: Last year they lost by 3 to Utica and beat Norwich by 33 en route to a 2-8 season. This year, Utica beat them by 26, and Norwich beat them. I'm abandoning my typical "I don't like to judge teams before they get a home game" approach. St. Lawrence is maybe a bit above Rochester, but who knows.

Hobart: They topped a decent Morrisville team on the road, and the offense did a great job cashing in on great field position for the second week in a row (four of their five TD drives started in Morrisville territory.) That's how you win tough games down the line, by not squandering chances like that. Not the best defensive performance (allowed 6.0 YPP and four long scoring drives of 75 yards plus). But that's still a solid win, and evidence that Hobart is going to be in the mix for a LL title.

RPI: Every year, it seems like RPI just has a game where they just lay an egg on offense. Sometimes (like against IC last year) they win those games anyway. This year, it didn't go so well. I'm still not a believer in Utica (two home wins over teams that are not good does not get my engine revving), but they might be a good test to see if this week was RPI's annual offensive no show, or something to worry about.

IC: No new information. They're going to score if they're healthy, so everything is going to hinge on the young secondary coming together and stabilizing the back end for the Bombers' D.

Rochester: Still not good.

Union: I agree. we really don't have any idea how good they are yet. Is Springfield a test? Dunno

Buff State: They are big and Athletic on defense, coaching meh. If they improve on offense they won't be an easy out.

St. Law: I think they will win some games, Norwich is better this year

Hobart: They have been opportunistic and have capitalized on them. May take to week 4 to get a good gauge.

RPI: I dont know how well Utica will travel to RPI, but I expect a dog fight.

YJ: oh dear lord

If SLU is going to find a few wins on the schedule this year, the next two weeks are a good place to start. Morrisville and Hartwick both heading up to Canton, should put both in the Saints "wheel-house" for winnable games. (Hartwick much more so than Morrisville). After that the month of October might not go so well for the Saints, but they close out the year with U of R and Buff State so they could finish on a high note I suppose.

Funny how when you replace Brockport and Thomas More on the 2018 schedule with Hartwick and Buff State this year; things have a way of looking a lot more optimistic...even after losing to a Norwich team that SLU hadn't lost to since 2014.