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[NYfootball]

RPI loaded on youtube the entire game v Utica fyi.

https://youtu.be/R3Ou7V-4Esg

You can get a better grip about both teams i think, beyond the box scores.

[Pat Coleman]

I don't think any of them should be top 25 right now, don't get me wrong.

OK.

But not a single vote for any of the 3 feels weird.

This means that all 25 voters think the same way you do. In order for them to have a vote, then one of the 25 voters has to think they belong in the Top 25.

[Machiavelli]

I don't think any of them should be top 25 right now, don't get me wrong.

OK.

But not a single vote for any of the 3 feels weird.

This means that all 25 voters think the same way you do. In order for them to have a vote, then one of the 25 voters has to think they belong in the Top 25.

I didn't say it was some horrible conspiracy or miscarriage of justice or anything. Just that it feels weird not one voter thought one would sneak in there at 25.

[pumkinattack]

Does seem like Endicott who did everything short of winning vs. Wesley and blew out the other two teams should've merited some consideration, one or a few 25 ish type votes, especially when Brockport is carrying as much as they are and kind of non sensical that RPI has 30 pts, which means a few votes, not just one high one, and neither WPI or Endicott had any.  Some other less stellar 1 loss performances to date with votes as well.  Meanwhile Ithaca already at 13 is pretty interesting, they win a couple of more weeks and they drift into the top 10 the way this often works which would be way too high. 

Tells me a lot of voters are still anchored in last year.  Still not sure Hobart deserves to be top 25 but they're resume is as strong as any in the LL at this stage considering three teams are meriting voter consideration.  Alfred looks like they may be a 3-5 loss team, took most of the George Fox game to get into double digits and couldn't do it against a rebuilt IC defense.  They look more suspect than Brockport at this point.

[Oline89]

If Endicott WINS then sure they get a few votes, but a vote for losing?  It doesn't matter if it is a close loss, it shouldn't move you up in the polls.  With that theory, I can't understand why Susquehanna remains in the top 25.  A win vs JHU gets you in, but a loss vs Muhlenberg should drop you at least 4-5 spots and out of the top 25.  Agree Union or WPI should have gotten at least a few 25 position votes

[Oline89]

Does seem like Endicott who did everything short of winning vs. Wesley and blew out the other two teams should've merited some consideration, one or a few 25 ish type votes, especially when Brockport is carrying as much as they are and kind of non sensical that RPI has 30 pts, which means a few votes, not just one high one, and neither WPI or Endicott had any.  Some other less stellar 1 loss performances to date with votes as well.  Meanwhile Ithaca already at 13 is pretty interesting, they win a couple of more weeks and they drift into the top 10 the way this often works which would be way too high. 

Tells me a lot of voters are still anchored in last year.  Still not sure Hobart deserves to be top 25 but they're resume is as strong as any in the LL at this stage considering three teams are meriting voter consideration.  Alfred looks like they may be a 3-5 loss team, took most of the George Fox game to get into double digits and couldn't do it against a rebuilt IC defense.  They look more suspect than Brockport at this point.

Talk about anchored in last year, please explain the Linfield position to me.  They are 1-1 with a win against a non top 25 team (I know, the best 0-3 team in the country....). 

[Caz Bombers]

FFS, Mach, would you kindly reduce the size of the image on your signature, good grief that is obnoxious to scroll through all the time.

[Bombers798891]

FFS, Mach, would you kindly reduce the size of the image on your signature, good grief that is obnoxious to scroll through all the time.

Was just going to say the same thing

[Machiavelli]

FFS, Mach, would you kindly reduce the size of the image on your signature, good grief that is obnoxious to scroll through all the time.

Was just going to say the same thing

But how would UFanBill see it if it's any smaller?

[Bombers798891]

So, I was really into baseball HOF voting for about 10 years or so, and the issue Mach describes comes up a lot. People would say "I don't think the guy is a Hall of Famer, but he was very good, and I can't believe he got dropped from the ballot the first time he was eligible."

But voters are asked to make a binary choice, in both cases. You're either a HOF or you're not. You're either in the Top 25, or you're not. There isn't a space to check "Not worthy of being ranked, but still really good." It can sort of feel like that's what the ARV category is saying, but as Pat points out, it really isn't.

Ithaca rising to 13 sort of illustrates this point. Alfred was unranked, but receiving 36 points in the poll last week. Multiple voters looked at ICs win as a win over a ranked opponent.

[pumkinattack]

Does seem like Endicott who did everything short of winning vs. Wesley and blew out the other two teams should've merited some consideration, one or a few 25 ish type votes, especially when Brockport is carrying as much as they are and kind of non sensical that RPI has 30 pts, which means a few votes, not just one high one, and neither WPI or Endicott had any.  Some other less stellar 1 loss performances to date with votes as well.  Meanwhile Ithaca already at 13 is pretty interesting, they win a couple of more weeks and they drift into the top 10 the way this often works which would be way too high. 

Tells me a lot of voters are still anchored in last year.  Still not sure Hobart deserves to be top 25 but they're resume is as strong as any in the LL at this stage considering three teams are meriting voter consideration.  Alfred looks like they may be a 3-5 loss team, took most of the George Fox game to get into double digits and couldn't do it against a rebuilt IC defense.  They look more suspect than Brockport at this point.

Talk about anchored in last year, please explain the Linfield position to me.  They are 1-1 with a win against a non top 25 team (I know, the best 0-3 team in the country....).

Can't explain Linfield either and Rowan's D is strong, but their offense is weak.  If we had a consistent QB and not snapping the ball everywhere other than the midsection/chest of the QB/punter we win by 21 or more.  The passing was atrocious and Rown got one TD starting from their 7, the other on a short field off a INT (QB had two Ints and a fumble) and one play reverse.  Otherwise Hobart shut them down.  But the inability of our QB to make even the most simple of throws on a perfect day is a real problem and the only reason I have reservations about this hobart team.  (playcalling leaves something to be desired too, but that'll work itself out as I believe we've been using only 1/2-2/3 of the playbook first three games from what I understand).

Alfred clearly has issues on offense probably shouldn't have had 36 points before the weekend.  I heard this from the Hobart scrimmage too.  They're going to lose a couple of more games, will struggle vs. Brockports D.     

[Jonny Utah]

Does seem like Endicott who did everything short of winning vs. Wesley and blew out the other two teams should've merited some consideration, one or a few 25 ish type votes, especially when Brockport is carrying as much as they are and kind of non sensical that RPI has 30 pts, which means a few votes, not just one high one, and neither WPI or Endicott had any.  Some other less stellar 1 loss performances to date with votes as well.  Meanwhile Ithaca already at 13 is pretty interesting, they win a couple of more weeks and they drift into the top 10 the way this often works which would be way too high. 

Tells me a lot of voters are still anchored in last year.  Still not sure Hobart deserves to be top 25 but they're resume is as strong as any in the LL at this stage considering three teams are meriting voter consideration.  Alfred looks like they may be a 3-5 loss team, took most of the George Fox game to get into double digits and couldn't do it against a rebuilt IC defense.  They look more suspect than Brockport at this point.

Talk about anchored in last year, please explain the Linfield position to me.  They are 1-1 with a win against a non top 25 team (I know, the best 0-3 team in the country....).

I think that conference simply has earned the respect of two top 25 teams at this point (early with 0/1 loses) in the season.  Whitworth was solid last year and I think in general both Redlands and Linfield are where they should be, just like Ithaca and Hobart are where they should be (Ithaca may be a little high based on their recent history).

[Bombers798891]

Alfred clearly has issues on offense probably shouldn't have had 36 points before the weekend.  I heard this from the Hobart scrimmage too.  They're going to lose a couple of more games, will struggle vs. Brockports D.   

Yeah, as someone who was high on Alfred, I was underwhelmed Saturday. They had about 260 yards of offense before the game essentially ended when IC went up 27-3. They really can't throw the ball downfield at all. I was also really impressed by Utica yesterday against RPI. And Fisher with another nice win, looks like they could be trouble for the Saxons.

Utica/Cortland will be interesting next week.

[UfanBill]

FFS, Mach, would you kindly reduce the size of the image on your signature, good grief that is obnoxious to scroll through all the time.

Was just going to say the same thing

But how would UFanBill see it if it's any smaller?

Mach, it's precisely inane comments like this one that expose and define you . Are you really somehow proud of being so contemptible? I'm not amused but I suspect that's exactly what fuels you. Let me amend that. I know that's what fuels you. You've admitted it. You must be a hugh fan of #45. 

I too am surprised that Union did not get a single vote in the Top 25 Poll. After all they are coming off a 7-2 season where they did get a vote Week #11 last year after defeating eventual Final #11 RPI. So be it. Keep winning and they'll get recognition.

As far as WPI, Endicott or even WNE. Only Pat and the D3football.com hierarchy would know if New England is represented by any poll voters. The New England teams get very little respect nationally. Heck, they get little to no respect regionally. Rightfully so?. Last year Springfield rose to #25 Week #2 before losing to Union. The Dutchmen received 20 votes the following week.

I agree with pumpkinattack. Voters are anchored in not only last year but last decade. You have to pull a big upset over a ranked team and then sustain it to catch the national attention. Voters are also often slow to react. Some may not really stay up with the weekly results from around the country. Others may put great stock in regional polls such as our ERFP which will not reflect the past weeks sentiment until after their Top 25 votes are submitted. We may very well see something next week.   

[AUPepBand]

Mach, having his snack after posting tonight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnDRsGubqk0

Hilarious! Glad that the LL boards still having some fun.

Pep was impressed with the Bombers' freshman kicker...looks like Hobart's Kyle Hackett, who can be a game-winner any week, has met his match! Were it not for that AU punter's gutsy 25-yard run for a first down when the Bombers got greedy and went all-out to block it in the end zone, Pep would say the Bombers outdid the Saxons in special teams play. Bombers would certainly have added to their lead before halftime without that impromptu improvisation....wait, is Pep being redundant all over again? Had the AU punter broken it, could have been the game-changer the Saxons needed to make it more interesting.

Pep thought attendance at Butterfield was lackluster. Mind you, Alfred is not Cortland, but it just seems like there's been a real drop-off in Bomber spirit.
No pep band. No Ooga Boogas. No Man In Yellow Hats. Really quite a vanilla crowd compared to the fun Pep has had on South Hill in the past...just sayin'.
Had Pep brought them along this time, the Sound of the Saxons emanating from Butterfield's rooftop visitor stands would be a chant of "Where's your pep band?"

Waiting in a long line for concessions for a bottle of water before the game, Pep chatted with a Bomber recruit and his dad from Georgia. Invited them to come over and sit with the "good guys" in the second half. Funny thing, it appeared there were more workers in the concession stand than customers...but only one or two taking orders.

As for the game, Bombers on a mission. If the defense improves from week to week, Ithaca should prevail in the LL. Bombers are very good.

On Saxon Warriors!