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[Machiavelli]

So who is the parent of a Ithaca player who verbally attacked Frank Rossi after the game on sat? Guy should not be allowed back on campus.

If you have attended any IC game this year, it is not hard to notice this particular guy....

I don't know anything about this story, but Frank is constantly finding himself in the middle of controversy. At what point do people start thinking maybe he's the problem?

not this time

I just don't buy it. Mount Union, basically the only name non-D3 fans know of, doesn't affiliate themselves with d3football.com over the same guy. I just won't buy it.

[south hill observer]

So who is the parent of a Ithaca player who verbally attacked Frank Rossi after the game on sat? Guy should not be allowed back on campus.

If you have attended any IC game this year, it is not hard to notice this particular guy....

I don't know anything about this story, but Frank is constantly finding himself in the middle of controversy. At what point do people start thinking maybe he's the problem?

not this time

I just don't buy it. Mount Union, basically the only name non-D3 fans know of, doesn't affiliate themselves with d3football.com over the same guy. I just won't buy it.

Does anybody actually know what happened ?

[Machiavelli]

[ITH radio]

Frank is at a funeral and can't defend himself, so I guess I will.

We have spoken the IC AD about the incident from this past Saturday (and from a couple of weeks ago that happened during the Hobart game) and they and their head of campus security are looking into it. Frank isn't afraid to report the good and bad of D3, and while not every school appreciates the latter, most fans and people in the D3 world do.

As far as the self righteous people that work at MU, I can't speak for them, but have lost all respect for that program based on our interactions over the past couple of years.

[Ithaca798891]

UPDATED:Gladney/Germinerio of 2019 thru 8 games(projected to 11 game schedule) vs. Shed/Sweeney of 2016(11 games):


          QB                           Yards                      Ints                     TDs

Sweeney(2016)                  3,436                       6                          36

Germinerio(2019)               3,614*(2629)          8.25*(6)                 38.5*(28)

        WR

Shed(2016)                         1284                                                    17

Gladney(2019)                    1115*(811)                                           16.5*(12)     

* Pro rata of 8 games projected to 11 games for comparison

Well, these All American Connections look pretty close when you project the IC combo for 11 games( Hobart ended the 2016 season by losing to Mount Union at the Boz 38-24 in the playoffs)Ithaca has RPI and Cortland left on the schedule, not exactly shut down secondaries....so look for the GladGerm to pull ahead

FWIW, Andrew Vito is averaging 113.3 yards per game

[tony/troy]

So who is the parent of a Ithaca player who verbally attacked Frank Rossi after the game on sat? Guy should not be allowed back on campus.

Had a similar experience myself several years ago with a visibly inebriated parent at an away game I drove to. Was in the process of getting a head start to my car while the winning team was taking knees during the last minute. The next thing I know, this drunk was in my face screaming at me over something I supposedly said about his son during a radio broadcast of a game a week or two before. The only problem was is that to this day I have yet to even utter a single word over the airwaves in my entire life. Not even a sports talk call in show.

However and unlike Frank's experience this past Saturday, my village idiot was so stupid that he went on his tirade within a few yards of a clearly visible security guy. Fortunately, that guy was not just some campus cop. He was a real one from the local city force and they handle things a little differently. Otis the drunk from the Andy Griffith show suddenly found himself with someone in his face telling him to shut his mouth and knock it off or else. Never did get to see what the or else was. The totally gassed fool quickly scurried off to safety like those loathsome bugs in a commercial kitchen that run for cover when the lights get turned on.

At minimum, Frank and I know both know that the two most frightening things about some parents are that they can vote (today, in fact) and that they can breed (any day).     

[Caz Bombers]

the Hat crew and the First Down Club disappears over the years and the quality of the Bomber fanbase takes a nosedive, whaddaya know.

[Jonny Utah]

the Hat crew and the First Down Club disappears over the years and the quality of the Bomber fanbase takes a nosedive, whaddaya know.

2700 people at the game Saturday which is good in terms of recent Ithaca and Liberty League attendance figures in general, but I think in the old days a good Union/Ithaca game like this might get 5,000.  That could just be the old man in me who remembers crowds bigger than they probably were, and when Al Bundy scored 4 touchdowns for Polk high back in 1966, I'm sure they got about 10K.

[Ice Bear]

the Hat crew and the First Down Club disappears over the years and the quality of the Bomber fanbase takes a nosedive, whaddaya know.

2700 people at the game Saturday which is good in terms of recent Ithaca and Liberty League attendance figures in general, but I think in the old days a good Union/Ithaca game like this might get 5,000.  That could just be the old man in me who remembers crowds bigger than they probably were, and when Al Bundy scored 4 touchdowns for Polk high back in 1966, I'm sure they got about 10K.

Let's Rock

[Ithaca798891]

the Hat crew and the First Down Club disappears over the years and the quality of the Bomber fanbase takes a nosedive, whaddaya know.

2700 people at the game Saturday which is good in terms of recent Ithaca and Liberty League attendance figures in general, but I think in the old days a good Union/Ithaca game like this might get 5,000.  That could just be the old man in me who remembers crowds bigger than they probably were, and when Al Bundy scored 4 touchdowns for Polk high back in 1966, I'm sure they got about 10K.

That's an excellent crowd by non-Cortaca IC standards, IMO. Ithaca's the kind of place where the weather is a double-edged sword. When it's lousy, you want to stay indoors. When it's great, you want to go hiking, or downtown. It's just going to be a tough, tough, draw.

[Machiavelli]

Frank is at a funeral and can't defend himself, so I guess I will.

We have spoken the IC AD about the incident from this past Saturday (and from a couple of weeks ago that happened during the Hobart game) and they and their head of campus security are looking into it. Frank isn't afraid to report the good and bad of D3, and while not every school appreciates the latter, most fans and people in the D3 world do.

As far as the self righteous people that work at MU, I can't speak for them, but have lost all respect for that program based on our interactions over the past couple of years.

There isn't anything to defend. Facts are facts. This is my last post on the subject, but no matter who was in the right or in the wrong in this case, Frank gets off being in the middle of controversy. He's got a lot of public facing stuff on Facebook, and legitimately, almost ALL of it it is controversial, calling people out, we're the victim(s), you're wrong, get out your pitchforks, etc etc. Always. And he clearly surrounds himself with enablers who always come to his defense with this gang mentality. Seriously, how can 1 person be in the middle of so many sh!t storms, without injecting himself into them with a lot of purpose and intent. It's what he lives for and when things turn slightly upside down, he goes after the other party in a very public facing and dirty way. It's honestly an addiction, a sickness and an epidemic in our society. It's what social media has ultimately become and it's sad.

I honestly don't think Frank is a bad guy. I think he does a lot of good for d3 sports and probably just in general, his community, etc. But he often hides behind the good he does and uses that good as 'examples' of how he's the 'good guy', typically when he takes things too far and injects himself, his beliefs, and his opinions where they really don't belong. Problem is, he thinks those all belong in just about every situation. Social Media and the internet is his adrenaline and he clearly thinks his thoughts and opinions are more valuable than they really are in the big picture.

One thing I also know is that you don't lose a debate with Frank. Even if you are right, he'll spin it in his favor, and then the gang members will come out of the woodwork to support him. He'll go to the well saying he gave his phone # out and it could have all been resolved. It's like a blackmail in a sense. Call me or else! It's just not worth it. Mr X unfortunately didn't know this and now he will be bashed by the entire gang and Frank will hold his head high feeling that he 'won'. You don't always have to win, Frank. He was defending his son, who did NOTHING wrong, illegal, whatever it is. All he did was something you didn't agree with, and you felt it necessary to put a young man on blast because you didn't agree. Period. I'd defend my children to the death so I can't really blame him.

This post is simply meant to be helpful, shedding light on reality, and I hope the rest of you don't simply fall victim to the 'gang mentality' because it doesn't get you anywhere, and you won't win anything.

As far as the player in question...Well, all I can say is many ex-players, like myself, would have loved to have one more crack at playing when our bodies still could pull it off. You don't realize when it's over it's over. You only get so many chances and so many years to do it. Do what makes you happy. I went on Co-Op Spring semester of my Senior year and I skipped my final year of eligibility due to an unhealthy situation, but I needed to be in school to graduate. If I could do it all over again, I would've tried somehow to graduate and not waste that year of eligibility and I would've played somewhere else as a post grad. I wasn't ready for grad school yet at that time, so I would've been enrolled just to play one last season of football, just like this player. I have zero qualms about his decision and honestly, it makes a ton of sense to me. Anyone who thinks that is wrong clearly never played the sport, or is lying to themselves, or just loves arguing about everything. Some people are fortunate enough to have the balls to make an unpopular decision to do what they want to do, and I doubt he will regret his decision when all is said and done.

Moving on....

[unionpalooza]

Too much dancing around the real point - I am correct to assume from all this that the parent in question was Papa Germinerio?

[Jonny Utah]

Too much dancing around the real point - I am correct to assume from all this that the parent in question was Papa Germinerio?

Yea.

I saw something Frank posted on his Facebook page and asked him about it.  He gave me a reasonable answer.  Bottom line is that he should feel safe at an Ithaca football game without being threatened or bullied by anyone.  But I don't want speak for with him either and I wasn't there.  Frank is Frank.  Like ITH said, he reports on the good and bad of d3football and that isn't going to make everyone happy.  We can agree or disagree with his opinions on transfers, or with his basic fact reporting on felony juvenile cases for d3football stars (Mt. Union QB situation).  But like ITH said again, people like to read about those things, and we can thank Frank for doing the legwork for us.  I'm sure Mt. Union didn't appreciate Frank digging into a student's case and making it public, but it was public, and it was news, and I was someone who was at least interested in reading it.  And those were Facts as well.  I think part of the problem is that d3football.com is the only game in town.  Notre Dame isn't going to tell ESPN that they aren't allowed on campus because ESPN wrote some negative story about some player right?  Why should d3football.com be any different?  If Frank reported on something that wasn't true or was lied about, then put out a statement.  Don't be a bunch of babies and shut the program down to the one place that actually cares about you.  (I should add that a lot of this is third hand, so if some of it is untrue or there is more to add then correct me)

But to Mach's point, he also hits a lot of nails on the head.  Frank on this board at least has been tough to argue with.  From the original Audino issue at Union and his issues with the school, to the current beefs that keep coming up, Frank finds himself in a lot of ****storms for whatever reason. Some of that has to come back to him, but even he has admitted some of that in the past.  To Mach's point about social media, that also can be an issue, and the perception of Frank and the incidents that are reported on don't always come out clean. 

I think the bottom line here is that Frank does a great job at what he does, and has the balls to confront situations that others might be afraid to take on.  He also has the right to feel safe on the Ithaca campus, and shouldn't have to deal with that kind of nonsense if it's true.  But Frank is a big boy, he can speak for himself. 

[Pat Coleman]

I told Frank this personally as well -- just take it to security at the first sign of an issue. Especially as a credentialed person, you should have the ability to work free from harassment. But in the event that an issue like this happens and surprises you, I can understand where that might not be the first course of action which comes to mind.

[Bartman]

Reading this, I'm thinking Ithaca-Brockport in the Playoffs might need some extra security......seriously(changed my mind and Edited out NCAA avoidance.).... although it is high on my favorites....great story line and an athletic BPort defense focused on their ex QB...and June Bug ready to erase The Germ legacy in one game.....while IC hopes to just meet Union one more time