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[Bartman]

I think Jonny Utah wins the statistical analysis debate with Frank.......I would listen to a Jonny U podcast , just not with an excruciating analysis of TOP with Frank as the guest. Give me back Lime Jello with Mach

[unionpalooza]

Totally new topic:  the LL is going to be a wrecking ball next year.  All of Union, Hobart, Ithaca and RPI have plenty of talent coming back - they're all relatively young - and SLU seems to me to have all the makings of a legit team next year.  That's a pretty strong top 5.  Gotta assume they'll just clobber one another like the WIAC of old.

[Jonny Utah]

I think Jonny Utah wins the statistical analysis debate with Frank.......I would listen to a Jonny U podcast , just not with an excruciating analysis of TOP with Frank as the guest. Give me back Lime Jello with Mach

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/keeping-defense-field

You want to see some intense statistical analysis on TOP and the affects on the defense?  Read this masterpiece.  The author sums it up.

The Question:

Do Offenses Improve Defensive Performance By Extending Drives?

The home team is down by a touchdown with eight minutes left in the fourth quarter. For the second drive in a row, its offense sputters and punts after a three-and-out. The defense gets back on the field, beaten, broken, and exhausted. If the offense had been able to sustain drives, the defense might have had the energy to prevent the opposing offense from scoring another touchdown, effectively ending the game.

This is a common story told repeatedly by announcers during fourth quarters. If the offense had played better and allowed the defense to rest more, the defense would have played more effectively.



The authors conclusion:

Conventional wisdom holds that offenses affect the performance of their defense through their ability to extend drives, and allow the defense additional time to rest. This conventional wisdom does not seem to be supported by the data. As shown here, the number of plays an offense runs per drive has very little impact on the performance of the defense. One simple explanation for this result is that a team's defensive players aren't the only ones that rest while their offense drives down the field. The opposing offense gets to rest too. The net impact, as shown here, is negligible.

Taste it

[Oline89]

I think Jonny Utah wins the statistical analysis debate with Frank.......I would listen to a Jonny U podcast , just not with an excruciating analysis of TOP with Frank as the guest. Give me back Lime Jello with Mach

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/keeping-defense-field

You want to see some intense statistical analysis on TOP and the affects on the defense?  Read this masterpiece.  The author sums it up.

The Question:

Do Offenses Improve Defensive Performance By Extending Drives?

The home team is down by a touchdown with eight minutes left in the fourth quarter. For the second drive in a row, its offense sputters and punts after a three-and-out. The defense gets back on the field, beaten, broken, and exhausted. If the offense had been able to sustain drives, the defense might have had the energy to prevent the opposing offense from scoring another touchdown, effectively ending the game.

This is a common story told repeatedly by announcers during fourth quarters. If the offense had played better and allowed the defense to rest more, the defense would have played more effectively.



The authors conclusion:

Conventional wisdom holds that offenses affect the performance of their defense through their ability to extend drives, and allow the defense additional time to rest. This conventional wisdom does not seem to be supported by the data. As shown here, the number of plays an offense runs per drive has very little impact on the performance of the defense. One simple explanation for this result is that a team's defensive players aren't the only ones that rest while their offense drives down the field. The opposing offense gets to rest too. The net impact, as shown here, is negligible.

Taste it

I agree completely, these guys are athletes.  They don't get tired from playing 10 plays vs 3 plays.  However, conceptually a good way to beat IC is to keep Joe G on the sideline, run the ball more, keep the clock running. 

[Frank Rossi]

In the end they don't matter.

247 D3 coaches on Lines 1 through 247 for you, JU.  It matters a lot.  They scored 35 in the 2nd quarter vs. SLU and 28 in the 2nd quarter vs. Rochester.  It took both of those teams out of their game plans immediately.  It also is a false equivalency to use lesser teams to balance how the Ithaca defense is built this year.  Even a fatigued Ithaca defense in those games should still win.  The games we test should be frontrunners like HOB, UNI, RPI.  I don't have the time to dig into Hobart's box right now, but I'd be curious to see that game flow.

[Machiavelli]

I think Jonny Utah wins the statistical analysis debate with Frank.......I would listen to a Jonny U podcast , just not with an excruciating analysis of TOP with Frank as the guest. Give me back Lime Jello with Mach

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/keeping-defense-field

You want to see some intense statistical analysis on TOP and the affects on the defense?  Read this masterpiece.  The author sums it up.

The Question:

Do Offenses Improve Defensive Performance By Extending Drives?

The home team is down by a touchdown with eight minutes left in the fourth quarter. For the second drive in a row, its offense sputters and punts after a three-and-out. The defense gets back on the field, beaten, broken, and exhausted. If the offense had been able to sustain drives, the defense might have had the energy to prevent the opposing offense from scoring another touchdown, effectively ending the game.

This is a common story told repeatedly by announcers during fourth quarters. If the offense had played better and allowed the defense to rest more, the defense would have played more effectively.



The authors conclusion:

Conventional wisdom holds that offenses affect the performance of their defense through their ability to extend drives, and allow the defense additional time to rest. This conventional wisdom does not seem to be supported by the data. As shown here, the number of plays an offense runs per drive has very little impact on the performance of the defense. One simple explanation for this result is that a team's defensive players aren't the only ones that rest while their offense drives down the field. The opposing offense gets to rest too. The net impact, as shown here, is negligible.

Taste it

I agree completely, these guys are athletes.  They don't get tired from playing 10 plays vs 3 plays.  However, conceptually a good way to beat IC is to keep Joe G on the sideline, run the ball more, keep the clock running.

As an offensive guy, I was always forced to do push-ups and do HIIT on the stairclimber when the defense was on the field. Apparently I was lied to.

[Bartman]

OK, this is actually interesting, and I am really worried about myself that I now find TOP analysis interesting. I hate Jonny U for it.

As far as the QB situation, I think it is legimate to go to last year's starter, Nabi, after 2 pretty bad losses. Who knows, maybe Nabi is the better teammate that players want to play for especially after a very professional response to losing his starting job? It is a legitimate consideration. That said, I think Swanstrom would NEVER do it based on the exciting offense that the "good" Joe G can bring to Metlife and the hell he would have to pay if he started Nabi and they lost because Nabi may be kinda rusty now. The Germ is Swanstrom's boy and the boy needs to deliver on Saturday, plane and simple. I would be more worried about my recently trending swiss cheese defense.

[Machiavelli]

OK, this is actually interesting, and I am really worried about myself that I now find TOP analysis interesting. I hate Jonny U for it.

As far as the QB situation, I think it is legimate to go to last year's starter, Nabi, after 2 pretty bad losses. Who knows, maybe Nabi is the better teammate that players want to play for especially after a very professional response to losing his starting job? It is a legitimate consideration. That said, I think Swanstrom would NEVER do it based on the exciting offense that the "good" Joe G can bring to Metlife and the hell he would have to pay if he started Nabi and they lost because Nabi may be kinda rusty now. The Germ is Swanstrom's boy and the boy needs to deliver on Saturday, plane and simple. I would be more worried about my recently trending swiss cheese defense.

You are projecting here. None of us knows if this holds any water whatsoever. It most likely does not.

[Frank Rossi]

I think Jonny Utah wins the statistical analysis debate with Frank.......I would listen to a Jonny U podcast , just not with an excruciating analysis of TOP with Frank as the guest. Give me back Lime Jello with Mach

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/keeping-defense-field

You want to see some intense statistical analysis on TOP and the affects on the defense?  Read this masterpiece.  The author sums it up.

The Question:

Do Offenses Improve Defensive Performance By Extending Drives?

The home team is down by a touchdown with eight minutes left in the fourth quarter. For the second drive in a row, its offense sputters and punts after a three-and-out. The defense gets back on the field, beaten, broken, and exhausted. If the offense had been able to sustain drives, the defense might have had the energy to prevent the opposing offense from scoring another touchdown, effectively ending the game.

This is a common story told repeatedly by announcers during fourth quarters. If the offense had played better and allowed the defense to rest more, the defense would have played more effectively.



The authors conclusion:

Conventional wisdom holds that offenses affect the performance of their defense through their ability to extend drives, and allow the defense additional time to rest. This conventional wisdom does not seem to be supported by the data. As shown here, the number of plays an offense runs per drive has very little impact on the performance of the defense. One simple explanation for this result is that a team's defensive players aren't the only ones that rest while their offense drives down the field. The opposing offense gets to rest too. The net impact, as shown here, is negligible.

Taste it

Because NFL statistical analysis is so relevant to Division 3.  Defenses and defenders are built differently in the NFL.  When you walk the sideline and see players gassed and look at TOP when you see it (that's where I am almost every week of the season), I think it goes beyond statistical analysis and goes into reality when you have two more evenly-matched teams.

[UfanBill]

Listen I know Frank... and Mach, thanks for the complement... BUT I'm staying out of this. 

LET'S GO U

[Frank Rossi]

Listen I know Frank... and Mach, thanks for the complement... BUT I'm staying out of this. 

LET'S GO U

[Machiavelli]

Listen I know Frank... and Mach, thanks for the complement... BUT I'm staying out of this. 

LET'S GO U

Wasn't looking for you to be involved, nor would I expect it. Simply stating an observation. But clearly someone is taking a victory lap over your post, because, well...because that is all that particular someone cares about, regardless of the topic.

I'll be over here drowning my sorrows over, yet, another loss in life.

[Bartman]

OK, this is actually interesting, and I am really worried about myself that I now find TOP analysis interesting. I hate Jonny U for it.

As far as the QB situation, I think it is legimate to go to last year's starter, Nabi, after 2 pretty bad losses. Who knows, maybe Nabi is the better teammate that players want to play for especially after a very professional response to losing his starting job? It is a legitimate consideration. That said, I think Swanstrom would NEVER do it based on the exciting offense that the "good" Joe G can bring to Metlife and the hell he would have to pay if he started Nabi and they lost because Nabi may be kinda rusty now. The Germ is Swanstrom's boy and the boy needs to deliver on Saturday, plane and simple. I would be more worried about my recently trending swiss cheese defense.

You are projecting here. None of us knows if this holds any water whatsoever. It most likely does not.

You are the one  projecting here.....I actually said who knows

[Ice Bear]

You're welcome, Everyone.

[EDIT: And hopefully this means Mach will stop stalking my Facebook page now.  That was just plain creepy.  I need a shower.]

Maybe i'll just need to stick around since I actually enjoy the site, the people here(sans YOU), and have an idea about football and reality.

But, you're welcome 'everyone'? There you go with your gang mentality and the 2 people who might actually have your back. Go ahead and keep moving along like you have a clue. Be miserable. Feel important. I'll keep talking football and actual real life. I won't hint that anyone is an alcoholic or go down that path at all with anyone as you might not know that person's story. I'll rise above your BS. Go back to your troll cave. It's much more enjoyable when you're there anyway.

And for the record, i'm in fact not an alcoholic. I'm a family man with a wife and children. They are what is most important. I have a great job. I try making things right in the world and helping people. Sure, once upon a time I was a young immature kid, always looking for a quick laugh. I was a dick sometimes. I still am a bit now, but mostly in good fun. There is a difference. But I grew up. That's the reason I once retired from this site, because I realized there's no winning with people like you, and you're not worth my time, effort, or frustrations. But you're not gonna win this time. I've enjoyed this football season, and I don't need to retire again, because i'll miss it, and i'll be upset that I did. I enjoy the banter with other posters. Even UFanBill who I thought was cut from the same cloth as you, but has a heart and ultimately is a good man who has the ability to peak around the corner and see what's over there.

Go ahead and make your nasty comments and shoot below the belt as you so often do. It's not gonna bother me one bit. I'm over it. Someone on here said you were running your mouth about the Ithaca thing on FB so I checked it out as i'm sure many others did. And your true character shows up there, bright and clear. You always have a crusade to fight with someone. Take a deep breathe, soak in the fresh air. You never know when life might change on a dime. It's a waste of the time we get on this earth to be constantly miserable and nasty. Give it a shot, maybe you'll find true happiness. Maybe you do need that shower after all.

Please do stick around, Mach.  I disagree with you at least 50% of the time, and stand apart the great U/RPI divide, but your absolute candor and total lack of BS makes you an indispensable participant here.

Ice agrees 100%. Don't you ****ing go anywhere Mach. We may not agree on a lot but it's fun as **** and Ice can say the LLPP is such a great board because we all have fun here and learn ****.

[Machiavelli]

OK, this is actually interesting, and I am really worried about myself that I now find TOP analysis interesting. I hate Jonny U for it.

As far as the QB situation, I think it is legimate to go to last year's starter, Nabi, after 2 pretty bad losses. Who knows, maybe Nabi is the better teammate that players want to play for especially after a very professional response to losing his starting job? It is a legitimate consideration. That said, I think Swanstrom would NEVER do it based on the exciting offense that the "good" Joe G can bring to Metlife and the hell he would have to pay if he started Nabi and they lost because Nabi may be kinda rusty now. The Germ is Swanstrom's boy and the boy needs to deliver on Saturday, plane and simple. I would be more worried about my recently trending swiss cheese defense.

You are projecting here. None of us knows if this holds any water whatsoever. It most likely does not.

You are the one  projecting here.....I actually said who knows

Maybe I am. But I just think everyone is taking the 2 losses, dumping it on the kid, and now he's ruined the team and locker room while everyone else is standing in line behind the other kid. Union had a great game plan and executed it. They are also a very good team. RPI came out ready and played to their potential.  Ithaca's game plans and execution fell flat in consecutive weeks. There's only the potential of more to the story because it's been planted there. But from a football perspective, this happens all the time.