FB: Liberty League

[Bartman]

FINAL:Gladney/Germinerio of 2019 (11 games) vs. Shed/Sweeney of 2016(11 games):


          QB                           Yards                      Ints                     TDs

Sweeney(2016)                  3,436                       6                          36

Germinerio(2019)               3,388                      10                         33

        WR

Shed(2016)                         1284                                                    17

Gladney(2019)                     1161                                                    16     


Two great All American QB/WR combinations in the LL. The Germ was also a running threat with 7 rushing TDs, but I loved Sweeney's skill as a pure pocket passer.

Shed was faster but Gladney was more physical.

A Great pleasure to have watched these young men

Who's next?

[Garnet]

Ithaca gets stuffed on the goal line and loses 20-17 to W&J. I continue not to understand why we play these Who Cares Bowls put on by an ECAC that has long since failed to justify its own existence. The season couldn't have ended after the Jug win...why, exactly?

Well I know why Hobart wanted to play one more game, because it is f***ing awesome to win a post season game.  It rewards a team with a great record (but not good enough to make the NCAA's), the team can see how they measure up against top competition, and it certainly helps with recruiting.  However, I agree, in IC's case, ending on a win an Metlife couldn't have gotten better.

Oline,
      It was f***ing awesome and the Statesmen have some great mojo for the 2020 season . Plus it feels like we won the E8 this year

[Oline89]

Ithaca gets stuffed on the goal line and loses 20-17 to W&J. I continue not to understand why we play these Who Cares Bowls put on by an ECAC that has long since failed to justify its own existence. The season couldn't have ended after the Jug win...why, exactly?

Well I know why Hobart wanted to play one more game, because it is f***ing awesome to win a post season game.  It rewards a team with a great record (but not good enough to make the NCAA's), the team can see how they measure up against top competition, and it certainly helps with recruiting.  However, I agree, in IC's case, ending on a win an Metlife couldn't have gotten better.

Oline,
      It was f***ing awesome and the Statesmen have some great mojo for the 2020 season . Plus it feels like we won the E8 this year

Cute meme.  I hope you get my point that to win a post season game (which is f***ing awesome), you have to commit to play the game. 

[Bengalsrule]

Congrats to UNION. Good luck vs Salisbury!

[Garnet]

O line,

My quoting skills are not good.  The meme was supposed to be attached to Mach's post.....

Re: FB: Liberty League
« Reply #52828 on: November 24, 2019, 08:41:46 pm »
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So in the spirit of the things that actually matter, I've found, generally speaking, when Salisbury has a tight game, they tend to dominate TOP. When they win big(SUNY-Maritime excluded) they either lose the TOP battle or it's very close.

What does this mean? Again, generally speaking, if Salisbury's offense is clicking on all cylinders and you can't stop them, they score a lot more points than you. If you can slow them down, you will have opportunities to score. And if you score more than them, and you win the TOP battle(or keep it close), there's a 60% chance that you win, every time.

[unionpalooza]

Finally got watch a little Salisbury film on their site. Their triple option is a little different than Springfield's - they rely much more heavily on backside cut blocks, with less effective FB dives but more dynamic QB cutback lanes.  And of course, they can throw the ball.  Harder to gauge their defense - they seem stout up the middle, but have trouble covering deeper balls and runs that bounce outside.

Should be a good one.

[Pat Coleman]

Their triple option is really a spread option.

Sherm Wood was a guest on podcast episode 247 earlier this season:
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2019/10/04/atn-podcast-247-the-one-with-buy-or-sell/

(BTW, Jeff Behrman will be our guest on episode 263 this week.)

[unionpalooza]

Their triple option is really a spread option.

Sherm Wood was a guest on podcast episode 247 earlier this season:
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2019/10/04/atn-podcast-247-the-one-with-buy-or-sell/

(BTW, Jeff Behrman will be our guest on episode 263 this week.)

Thanks, Pat.  Great interview.  Though, his response notwithstanding, from what I watched, they seem to run plenty of traditional triple option.

[Pat Coleman]

Their triple option is really a spread option.

Sherm Wood was a guest on podcast episode 247 earlier this season:
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2019/10/04/atn-podcast-247-the-one-with-buy-or-sell/

(BTW, Jeff Behrman will be our guest on episode 263 this week.)

Thanks, Pat.  Great interview.  Though, his response notwithstanding, from what I watched, they seem to run plenty of traditional triple option.

I gotcha. I don't pretend to be a triple option connoisseur, but when I think about the Springfield teams and the Salisbury teams, the fact that Salisbury can and will throw the ball and seem to be able to do it competently makes all the difference that I'm interested in. 

[Jonny Utah]

Their triple option is really a spread option.

Sherm Wood was a guest on podcast episode 247 earlier this season:
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2019/10/04/atn-podcast-247-the-one-with-buy-or-sell/

(BTW, Jeff Behrman will be our guest on episode 263 this week.)

Thanks, Pat.  Great interview.  Though, his response notwithstanding, from what I watched, they seem to run plenty of traditional triple option.

I gotcha. I don't pretend to be a triple option connoisseur, but when I think about the Springfield teams and the Salisbury teams, the fact that Salisbury can and will throw the ball and seem to be able to do it competently makes all the difference that I'm interested in.

The standard "triple option" has changed a lot, and many are calling RPO spread option teams "triple option teams". 

https://247sports.com/Article/mike-gundy-bedlam-comments-oklahoma-jalen-hurts-triple-option-spread--139228391/

You would never watch Oklahoma and think they do anything like Springfield or Salisbury, but they do read defensive lineman and the QB will pull the ball based on that read.  That is the exact thing Springfield or Salisbury does. 

Call it what you want, Springfield and Salisbury run the same thing (under center).  I'm guessing Salisbury has a better QB and WR set where they can throw more and that's the major difference.  If you watch SC the last few years they are changing a little from the base formation they have used for 30 years.  Salisbury still runs that base flexbone formation that is the base "triple Optoin" formation and offense.

[Ithaca798891]

Joe G is a semifinalist for the Gagliardi, and was not the OPOY in his own conference.

Outside of scenarios where two guys from the same conference get this far, has that ever happened? I'm not really calling either decision into question, just mildly curious

[MRMIKESMITH]

Their triple option is really a spread option.

Sherm Wood was a guest on podcast episode 247 earlier this season:
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2019/10/04/atn-podcast-247-the-one-with-buy-or-sell/

(BTW, Jeff Behrman will be our guest on episode 263 this week.)

Thanks, Pat.  Great interview.  Though, his response notwithstanding, from what I watched, they seem to run plenty of traditional triple option.

I gotcha. I don't pretend to be a triple option connoisseur, but when I think about the Springfield teams and the Salisbury teams, the fact that Salisbury can and will throw the ball and seem to be able to do it competently makes all the difference that I'm interested in.

The standard "triple option" has changed a lot, and many are calling RPO spread option teams "triple option teams". 

https://247sports.com/Article/mike-gundy-bedlam-comments-oklahoma-jalen-hurts-triple-option-spread--139228391/

You would never watch Oklahoma and think they do anything like Springfield or Salisbury, but they do read defensive lineman and the QB will pull the ball based on that read.  That is the exact thing Springfield or Salisbury does. 

Call it what you want, Springfield and Salisbury run the same thing (under center).  I'm guessing Salisbury has a better QB and WR set where they can throw more and that's the major difference.  If you watch SC the last few years they are changing a little from the base formation they have used for 30 years.  Salisbury still runs that base flexbone formation that is the base "triple Optoin" formation and offense.

I agree with Jonny Utah in his assessment and Gundy assessment on Oklahoma. As far as Salisbury concerned, it's the same triple option they have been running the last 20 years. I think the difference between Salisbury and Springfield are simply the athletes. Regarding passing the ball, I think the coordinator has made a more conscious effort to throw basic pass plays and not the standard "gimmick" play-action pass that they usually do, they still do that too, but to put it plain and simple, I haven't seen the Oklahoma spread, where they run it out of shot-gun and motion slot receivers and such. Do they have the personnel to do it this year, absolutely, but will they, highly unlikely. Do I think Salisbury is different from the 2011, 2008, 2004 teams, absolutely. Will they face similar issues those teams faced later in the rounds, absolutely. As a fan, I want them to be able to come out in shot-gun/pistol or whatever and pass and run comfortably out of it and still have the standard triple-option at their disposal. I just haven't seen that and probably will not. However, until then it is no a "spread-option", it is still the standard triple option, but with basic pass plays include this year. With the team having a significant amount of Sophomores and Juniors starting, can they add the Oregon/Oklahoma spread in the next upcoming year, they can, but that would take the offensive coordinator and HC having a long talk about taking the offense to the top tier level, similar to what UMHB did when moving from the tradition I-Form option to shot-gun option, the plays were the same, but it allowed you to effectively throw the ball and keep defenses from putting 9 in the box, which is what Salisbury see's quite often.

[unionpalooza]

Joe G is a semifinalist for the Gagliardi, and was not the OPOY in his own conference.

Outside of scenarios where two guys from the same conference get this far, has that ever happened? I'm not really calling either decision into question, just mildly curious

I suspect it's happened many many times.  I think Gagliardi semifinalists are almost always seniors, so no underclassman POY would ever make the list.

[Pat Coleman]

Joe G is a semifinalist for the Gagliardi, and was not the OPOY in his own conference.

Outside of scenarios where two guys from the same conference get this far, has that ever happened? I'm not really calling either decision into question, just mildly curious

I suspect it's happened many many times.  I think Gagliardi semifinalists are almost always seniors, so no underclassman POY would ever make the list.

Agreed. As a sophomore, Irabor would have a hard time getting the Gagliardi. Not sure if Union nominated him, but if they didn't, then I wouldn't be too upset. Two more years remaining.

[UfanBill]

Joe G is a semifinalist for the Gagliardi, and was not the OPOY in his own conference.

Outside of scenarios where two guys from the same conference get this far, has that ever happened? I'm not really calling either decision into question, just mildly curious

I suspect it's happened many many times.  I think Gagliardi semifinalists are almost always seniors, so no underclassman POY would ever make the list.

Agreed. As a sophomore, Irabor would have a hard time getting the Gagliardi. Not sure if Union nominated him, but if they didn't, then I wouldn't be too upset. Two more years remaining.

Look I love Ike Irabor but he is not the best running back Union has ever had. At least not yet. That would be Tom Arcidiacono'06 who ran for 4,915 yards and 54 TDs in his career. Arcidiacono was a Gagliardi finalist in 2005...I'd also point out that Irabor has a fumbling issue which almost derailed the Dutchmen's comeback last week. Late in the 3rd quarter aginst CWRU Ike fumbled at his own 5 yard line and fortunately for Union it was recovered by an offensive lineman. They went on to complete a 96 yard scoring drive. He has fumbled 9 times in 10 games this season, losing 5, more than all his other teammates combined. It's an issue and something his spinning, jumping running style brings into play. He and his coaches have been working on it. He needs to clean that up to be thought as a Gagliardi candidate.