FB: Liberty League

[Machiavelli]

Ice Bear will make his picks even though he is not consistent picker...nose picker yes, game/score picker not so much.

NCC 52
Del Val 10

Ice Bear says the score is closer than the game will be. A young Aggies team gets a taste of the next level. It will help for years to come...just not this year.

Salisbury 17
Mules 48

IB would love to see the Gulls run all ****ing over the Mules...but he just doesn't see it happening to that stingy Mules D that may prove to be damn close to that elite tier this season. Ice feels the Gulls are just not as close to that tier as the Mules are.

Ice Bear says unfortunately he sees sees the East getting monkey stomped and shut out this weekend.  Ice says it's been a great year in the east but this will be as far as our beloved region goes.

, I respect your honesty.

I think the monkeys will stay in their cages this weekend, but I do see Delaware Valley losing by 2 TDs and The Mules and Seagulls having an exciting game with the Mules winning by a TD, 52-45. The Mules are better than the Union D, but I don't see the Seagulls  denied multiple trips to the end zone. The only other comment I have is when does a team from Allentown, PA end up in the South region? ......I know the answer, but hey, lots of teams in the East are south of Allentown. I am rooting for Coach Milne to take the Mules all the way ....but if they faulter, I am happy to root on the Seagulls as a true champ from the East. If I am wrong on the close game forecast and the monkeys are out stomping, hats off to IB.

I mean how can you go against the team that goes to Mt. Union and wins?  On the other hand, that is probably the biggest game those guys have every won in their lives.  Let down games are ripe after situations like this.

I haven't watched the Mules much to be honest.  I'm guessing they can figure out a way to stop Salisbury and put some points on.  But I don't care how good the Mules defense was to this point in the season, defending the Triple Option is a different beast.

I'm actually interested in the St. Johns/Wheaton game.  I love how St. Johns goes from 5 wide to 22 personnel whenever they want.  I'm guessing Wheaton isn't going to gamble with cover 1/0 like Chapman did last week.

As for UWW and MHB.  MHB's TOP numbers are pathetic.  UWW wins this one 31:38 to 28:22

I'm still looking to see who Mount Union is playing this week.  Very strange not to see them in the quarterfinals.

Teams beating Mt. Union on the road in the playoffs have never won the next week in the past 25 years.  Except this year when NCC beat Del Val.  Is Del Val that bad that NCC could overcome the odds and all of the math and science that was stacked against them?  Is NCC that good?  I would drop Del Val out of the poll after that loss if we go by math alone....

Oh Jonny, math REALLY escaped your clutches (I'll go with an English major, maybe political science )

The man who picked NCC to beat DelVal 52 - 10.......................should not let math even enter his head, let alone touch his lips!!

Cozy you got me.  Political science/Spanish major.  I admit I screwed up and didn't check the Mt. Union history with teams beating them in the playoffs.  If I did I would have predicted a Del Val win.  I did not know Del Val was that bad though..... I'll remember this for next year....

I can count to ten in Spanish. Nice try on the response..................but falls way short. That "I would have picked DelVal to win" (on the road against a team that just put up 59 at Mount Union) is cute. Actually adorable. I look at the four predictions from the LL board (and Mach's "they will get destroyed", without a score) along with the D3 panel of experts...............and nobody applied your faulty logic and called for a DelVal victory. In fact, just about everybody called for a NCC very high score blowout. "Easily 38-7". THAT is cute, when they were also a fumble at the NCC 10 yard line away from "easily 24-21". Stick with the Spanish................and the political science. I took German. What a waste of time (but Swarthmore ran out of math classes)

Do you beat dead horses a lot with your math? I made a prediction. I was wrong. I've admitted it as such. There was no math involved, it was a simple prediction based on how I viewed particular teams, and I don't think I was alone in my thinking. Usually end of story???

But, most importantly, why haven't you told us what you're repping out at these days? If your bench press isn't super impressive(lord knows mine isn't), how fast can you go on your elliptical and what in the world do you have in your fanny pack? Glorious minds would like to know these things. I'd guess you have some of those little whippersnapper things that you throw on the ground and they pop really loud. Bang pops? Whippersnappers? I don't know what they call them down in Pennsyltucky, but that's my guess for what you have in your fanny pack.

[Jonny Utah]

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[Machiavelli]

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Fixed your equation. #IthacaStinksAtMath

[Bartman]

Flip it around, though, and go drive by drive for North Central in the first half, right? North Central didn't have the success against Del Val as it did against Mount Union or Muhlenberg.

True, but not bad: punt, TD, TD, P, Downs, FG.  17 points in first half of a playoff game, I bet NCC staff would take that.  Certainly not the offense they put up against MU or Muhl

...............at home, after putting up 59 points at Mount Union, against a team playing their third consecutive road playoff game. I'm pretty sure that the coaching staff (and offensive players) were thinking about a hell of a lot more than 17 (and something closer to what they did on the road vs. Muhlenberg in the national semi's)................as were many of the pundits on the LL board who 'predicted' the final NCC score in the 50's and 60's. If not for a fumble at the NCC 10, DelVal was driving yet again to make it a 24 - 21 game.

One non-mathematical factor to consider, and I think it was mentioned by someone else, that NCC may have overlooked the Aggies considering how invinceable they probably felt after getting the win over UMU. The Del Val defense challenged them and they had to get off their Illinois lazy asses and fight for the win against Del Val which no doubt surprised them. So, after getting off to a slow start against Del Val, they weren't going to make that mistake again, and got prepared and pumped for the Mules which was evident from the start because many had said the Mules were another tough defense( OK, Kory Davis is not perfect, but players gotta play). This is a human factor that cannot be measured by math and the Mules got the wrath of NCC due to their slow start against a legitimately solid Aggie defense. I don't think you can say Del Val is superior to Muhlenberg or vice-versa...I think the Mules were overrated to some extent and Del Val showed significant improvement over the season and should be awesome next year. All the math is kinda dumb based on a couple of games, but both of these teams deserve to be in the lower end of the top ten which is not too shabby.  Now the question is, who deserves the Lambert Bowl for the best team in the East ......Mules, Salisbury or Delaware Valley, I would think the voters will turn to the 2 teams that had one loss in their final game in the NCAA tourney, and the Mules will get the nod unless they go for an undefeated Middlebury??

[Oline89]

Flip it around, though, and go drive by drive for North Central in the first half, right? North Central didn't have the success against Del Val as it did against Mount Union or Muhlenberg.

True, but not bad: punt, TD, TD, P, Downs, FG.  17 points in first half of a playoff game, I bet NCC staff would take that.  Certainly not the offense they put up against MU or Muhl

...............at home, after putting up 59 points at Mount Union, against a team playing their third consecutive road playoff game. I'm pretty sure that the coaching staff (and offensive players) were thinking about a hell of a lot more than 17 (and something closer to what they did on the road vs. Muhlenberg in the national semi's)................as were many of the pundits on the LL board who 'predicted' the final NCC score in the 50's and 60's. If not for a fumble at the NCC 10, DelVal was driving yet again to make it a 24 - 21 game.

One non-mathematical factor to consider, and I think it was mentioned by someone else, that NCC may have overlooked the Aggies considering how invinceable they probably felt after getting the win over UMU. The Del Val defense challenged them and they had to get off their Illinois lazy asses and fight for the win against Del Val which no doubt surprised them. So, after getting off to a slow start against Del Val, they weren't going to make that mistake again, and got prepared and pumped for the Mules which was evident from the start because many had said the Mules were another tough defense( OK, Kory Davis is not perfect, but players gotta play). This is a human factor that cannot be measured by math and the Mules got the wrath of NCC due to their slow start against a legitimately solid Aggie defense. I don't think you can say Del Val is superior to Muhlenberg or vice-versa...I think the Mules were overrated to some extent and Del Val showed significant improvement over the season and should be awesome next year. All the math is kinda dumb based on a couple of games, but both of these teams deserve to be in the lower end of the top ten which is not too shabby.  Now the question is, who deserves the Lambert Bowl for the best team in the East ......Mules, Salisbury or Delaware Valley, I would think the voters will turn to the 2 teams that had one loss in their final game in the NCAA tourney, and the Mules will get the nod unless they go for an undefeated Middlebury??

Lambert Bowl?  Are the Mules in the East for that?  I still go Salisbury over DelVal for the top spot.  Although the NJAC was down this year, overall the league is still superior to the MAC

[Doid23]

All the math is kinda dumb based on a couple of games...

Bartman, you clearly don't understand math, all you need is one game to make a point (ad-nauseam), two is almost overkill. And emotional factors have no impact at all when it comes to football games involving teenage/20 year old boys. 

I'm not sure what set JCoz off, he seemed like a good guy, maybe there is some history there? A Swarthmore math meet back in college that Muhlenburg crashed and kicked their ass in? We may never know...

[Bartman]

All the math is kinda dumb based on a couple of games...

Bartman, you clearly don't understand math, all you need is one game to make a point (ad-nauseam), two is almost overkill. And emotional factors have no impact at all when it comes to football games involving teenage/20 year old boys. 

I'm not sure what set JCoz off, he seemed like a good guy, maybe there is some history there? A Swarthmore math meet back in college that Muhlenburg crashed and kicked their ass in? We may never know...

The Muhenberg Math department has made great strides since that stunning Mathletes win by the Mules  over Swathmore. I think it was the same season that Muhlenberg beat Swathmore in their last football season in 2000. That said , I hope every college supports its mathletes and football program .....we need some real sophisticated analysis to keep up with the trending TOP analytics wave....hey I could see JU and Mach giving some internships to elite Swathmore math majors to develop the TOP analytics models of the future....ultimately leading to the return of football at Swathmore in order to have a human laboratory to test the TOP theories. I can see JCoz as the alum leading the charge for the Garnet

[Ice Bear]

Ice Bear says JM is all of a sudden very quiet...horse*&^% maybe?

Math, TOP, and Net Worth define D3 football

[unionpalooza]

Ice Bear says JM is all of a sudden very quiet...horse*&^% maybe?

Math, TOP, and Net Worth define D3 football

Nah, think he challenged some dude from the North boards to a contest to see who could name the most digits of pi, and they're still going.  Like herpes, he'll be back.

[jmcozenlaw]

Ice Bear says JM is all of a sudden very quiet...horse*&^% maybe?

Math, TOP, and Net Worth define D3 football

JM is very busy closing out the year and making his well-to-do clients....................even more well-to-do (that's what not listening to the geniuses on CNBC, Fox, CNN and MSNBC will do for you...........it let's you think for yourself). I'm still waiting for the 20-%-25% drop in the markets, immediately after the election results OVER THREE YEARS AGO. Stupidity reigns supreme. Do your own research and turn off Cramer, Cavuto and the Cooper-Maddow-Lemon clowns. You'll live longer.

Oh, and Union, the pi contest is for clowns. Algo's and black boxes...................THAT is where the money is at. Didn't they teach you that at Union?? Tsk. Tsk. Now run along Union, and take your antibiotics (the Upstate NY girls will do that to you )

Ice, one has to be multi-dimensional (as I'm sure that you are), so I'll surely see you (and your predictions) over on the hoops boards (as well as following wrestling) after the season comes to a close on Friday night. Our coaches demanded we play at least two, if not three sports in high school...................so following more than one is second nature.

Let's go make even more money in 2020..................and be generous with it (that's in the Bible).

[jmcozenlaw]

Ice Bear says JM is all of a sudden very quiet...horse*&^% maybe?

Math, TOP, and Net Worth define D3 football

Nah, think he challenged some dude from the North boards to a contest to see who could name the most digits of pi, and they're still going.  Like herpes, he'll be back.

Union, you're hanging out with the wrong types of girls. You never have to worry about herpes coming back..................if you never get it in the first. Up your game.............or continue with your phub exploits

[Machiavelli]

It just gets better and better and better...It's literally amazing stuff.

Speaking of the bible, I thank the dear lord every day for guys like Cozy Rosenbagga. If he only had any idea of his true value. Not some stock market value. Not some TOP ranking value. Just true, LLPP sentimental value. If only...

[UfanBill]

Back to some football news. The ECAC announced their awards and Union coach Jeff Behrman was named Division III coach of the year...RB Ike Irabor and DE Vince DiCaterino were named to the first team. Six other Dutchmen...TE Spencer Crystal, LT Tim Driscoll, C Ryan Ehrets, DL Daniel Gioioso, LB Colin Lama and P Will Halpin were named to the second team. The 8 Dutchmen honored is the most for any team.

[Bartman]

Back to some football news. The ECAC announced their awards and Union coach Jeff Behrman was named Division III coach of the year...RB Ike Irabor and DE Vince DiCaterino were named to the first team. Six other Dutchmen...TE Spencer Crystal, LT Tim Driscoll, C Ryan Ehrets, DL Daniel Gioioso, LB Colin Lama and P Will Halpin were named to the second team. The 8 Dutchmen honored is the most for any team.

UfanBill,
    Congratulations, but only dues paying ECAC members are entitled to being named. Hobart pulled out of the ECAC a few years ago based on decisions by the prior commissioner, and quite a few other schools also pulled out. I understand Commissioner Cloonan is an improvement, so Hobart may reconsidering their participation.

[UfanBill]

Back to some football news. The ECAC announced their awards and Union coach Jeff Behrman was named Division III coach of the year...RB Ike Irabor and DE Vince DiCaterino were named to the first team. Six other Dutchmen...TE Spencer Crystal, LT Tim Driscoll, C Ryan Ehrets, DL Daniel Gioioso, LB Colin Lama and P Will Halpin were named to the second team. The 8 Dutchmen honored is the most for any team.

UfanBill,
    Congratulations, but only dues paying ECAC members are entitled to being named. Hobart pulled out of the ECAC a few years ago based on decisions by the prior commissioner, and quite a few other schools also pulled out. I understand Commissioner Cloonan is an improvement, so Hobart may reconsidering their participation.

Bartman...You would certainly have a better handle on why Hobart is not an ECAC member than I. Rochester is also not an ECAC member. 

Other LL players named to the All ECAC 1st Team include from Ithaca QB Joe Germinerio, WR Will Gladney, OL Kyle Berna, DL John Hadac and K Nicholas Bahamonde, along with St. Lawrence LB Ethan Roberts. Ithaca DB Anthony Robinson made 2nd team. No players from RPI earned designation.

Here's the full team...http://www.ecacsports.com/news/2019/12/18/ecac-announces-2019-division-iii-football-all-ecac.aspx?path=football ...Congratulations to ALL.