FB: Liberty League

[Jonny Utah]

I think 0 has been a legal number in college football for maybe three years.

Ha, yea I just looked that up and saw that.  Looks like the reason is simply that teams have more than 100 players.  Makes me think back in the day where the "varsity" team at Ithaca was a set number (70?).  Most of the freshman played JV and then you had to be "invited" back as a sophomore to play on the varsity.  If you didn't make the cut you could come back and play JV which some kids did and some injured players did as well.

I'm still perplexed by two starters having the same number. 

[Bartman]

I think 0 has been a legal number in college football for maybe three years.

Ha, yea I just looked that up and saw that.  Looks like the reason is simply that teams have more than 100 players.  Makes me think back in the day where the "varsity" team at Ithaca was a set number (70?).  Most of the freshman played JV and then you had to be "invited" back as a sophomore to play on the varsity.  If you didn't make the cut you could come back and play JV which some kids did and some injured players did as well.

I'm still perplexed by two starters having the same number.

+k for George Plimpton(NB my Alex K quote below) and Jim Otto photos.....why not use fractions??

[Ice Bear]

I think 0 has been a legal number in college football for maybe three years.

Ha, yea I just looked that up and saw that.  Looks like the reason is simply that teams have more than 100 players.  Makes me think back in the day where the "varsity" team at Ithaca was a set number (70?).  Most of the freshman played JV and then you had to be "invited" back as a sophomore to play on the varsity.  If you didn't make the cut you could come back and play JV which some kids did and some injured players did as well.

I'm still perplexed by two starters having the same number.

Ice Bear says double numbers is ****ing stupid. Ice says have your own ****ing number, whatever it is, and be coo with it!

[UfanBill]

Double numbers are a function of two things. Rosters of over 100 players and No JV teams. so teams dress everybody for home games. So you'll see two players with the same number but they'll play on opposite sides of the ball, one offense one defense. Keep in mind the players with the same number are not supposed to be on the field at the same time EVER. It's a 5 yard illegal procedure penalty. Usually you'll see this happen only on special teams plays.

As I've mentioned before it's a pet peeve of mine when announcers and statisticians get it wrong. As in crediting a defensive player for offensive stats.

[Jonny Utah]

Double numbers are a function of two things. Rosters of over 100 players and No JV teams. so teams dress everybody for home games. So you'll see two players with the same number but they'll play on opposite sides of the ball, one offense one defense. Keep in mind the players with the same number are not supposed to be on the field at the same time EVER. It's a 5 yard illegal procedure penalty. Usually you'll see this happen only on special teams plays.

As I've mentioned before it's a pet peeve of mine when announcers and statisticians get it wrong. As in crediting a defensive player for offensive stats.

If you look at Union's webpage, under their football stats for individual receiving they have #1 (Dunneman) twice and #2 (Ross twice). Ross appears to have the same stats (like a typo) but Dunneman has two different columns with different stats.

[Bartman]

I think 0 has been a legal number in college football for maybe three years.

Ha, yea I just looked that up and saw that.  Looks like the reason is simply that teams have more than 100 players.  Makes me think back in the day where the "varsity" team at Ithaca was a set number (70?).  Most of the freshman played JV and then you had to be "invited" back as a sophomore to play on the varsity.  If you didn't make the cut you could come back and play JV which some kids did and some injured players did as well.

I'm still perplexed by two starters having the same number.

Ice Bear says double numbers is ****ing stupid. Ice says have your own ****ing number, whatever it is, and be coo with it!

Ice, Jim Otto played both ways for Miami in college, that's why he has double 0, one number for each position(OL/LB), the Raiders didn't want to argue with him, so they let him keep 00......he's kinda mean after 37 surgeries and never missing a start(when men were real men!) .....Bartman loves double numbers, but only on the same person, like Mr. Otto  

[Ice Bear]

I think 0 has been a legal number in college football for maybe three years.

Ha, yea I just looked that up and saw that.  Looks like the reason is simply that teams have more than 100 players.  Makes me think back in the day where the "varsity" team at Ithaca was a set number (70?).  Most of the freshman played JV and then you had to be "invited" back as a sophomore to play on the varsity.  If you didn't make the cut you could come back and play JV which some kids did and some injured players did as well.

I'm still perplexed by two starters having the same number.

Ice Bear says double numbers is ****ing stupid. Ice says have your own ****ing number, whatever it is, and be coo with it!

Ice, Jim Otto played both ways for Miami in college, that's why he has double 0, one number for each position(OL/LB), the Raiders didn't want to argue with him, so they let him keep 00......he's kinda mean after 37 surgeries and never missing a start(when men were real men!) .....Bartman loves double numbers, but only on the same person, like Mr. Otto

Ice says that's some pretty cool info! +k Ice says he hopes Bart throttles Keystone this weekend.

[UfanBill]

Bartman...I always assumed Otto wore 00 because his name started with O and ended with O. 

Utah...The Union statistician is asleep at the switch. Whoever it is, SID or subordinate, there is no excuse for not getting it right. They also have not published a paper game program for 2 seasons now. Blaming Covid for making the program 100% digital. OK...but I don't like it. Especially when they've failed to provide a Two Deep. There's a link to it but it's blank. 

[Ice Bear]

Bartman...I always assumed Otto wore 00 because his name started with O and ended with O. 

Utah...The Union statistician is asleep at the switch. Whoever it is, SID or subordinate, there is no excuse for not getting it right. They also have not published a paper game program for 2 seasons now. Blaming Covid for making the program 100% digital. OK...but I don't like it. Especially when they've failed to provide a Two Deep. There's a link to it but it's blank. 

Ice Bear is with you on this 100% Ufan. It's ****ing embarrassing that there isn't, at the very least, a two deep paper with rosters available for fans at each game. Ice believes were talking maybe 300-400 copies at best. Ice says on top of that the ****ing digital two deep (like you mentioned) doesn't even work. Ice asks how much does it cost one student to attend Union for one year...and they can't/won't put this **** out? ****ing brutal.

[Bartman]

Bartman...I always assumed Otto wore 00 because his name started with O and ended with O. 

Utah...The Union statistician is asleep at the switch. Whoever it is, SID or subordinate, there is no excuse for not getting it right. They also have not published a paper game program for 2 seasons now. Blaming Covid for making the program 100% digital. OK...but I don't like it. Especially when they've failed to provide a Two Deep. There's a link to it but it's blank. 

UFan, You are right again, but I still like my Double zero explanation...he did play both ways and he did have 37 surgeries...but his name is spelled 0tt0

As far as digital programs, they are the thing now. My son makes copies of the rosters and game notes .....and makes me think they still give paper programs....it makes me feel better.....then he just looks at his phone the whole game  Hobart has a smaller SID staff than Union, but the 2 deep is always up on Friday.....I wish our SID staff could play as well, they'd be awesome. Of course , we did a live stat hick up during one game....thank goodness the SID knows how to keep handwritten
play by play stats.

Good luck to the Dutchmen tomorrow

[Pat Coleman]

I don't have specific knowledge of what goes on at Union, but there are definitely coaches who do not want that 2-deep info shared.

[Ice Bear]

I don't have specific knowledge of what goes on at Union, but there are definitely coaches who do not want that 2-deep info shared.

Ice Bear says this makes sense. It's just something that Ice was used to getting, a program with the two deep. It was a great thing to have when watching a game. Ice hates going on his phone over and over to the roster etc.

[unionpalooza]

I don't have specific knowledge of what goes on at Union, but there are definitely coaches who do not want that 2-deep info shared.

Ice Bear says this makes sense. It's just something that Ice was used to getting, a program with the two deep. It was a great thing to have when watching a game. Ice hates going on his phone over and over to the roster etc.

Depth charts are going out of style at all levels of college football, and it's a coaching thing, not an SID.  As for the digital programs, as Bartman notes, that's the new world.  I too also miss the old program, but sports information departments are chronically understaffed and underfunded, so let's maybe give them a break.  What D3 SIDS do for college athletes on shoestring budgets is Herculean.

[Ice Bear]

I don't have specific knowledge of what goes on at Union, but there are definitely coaches who do not want that 2-deep info shared.

Ice Bear says this makes sense. It's just something that Ice was used to getting, a program with the two deep. It was a great thing to have when watching a game. Ice hates going on his phone over and over to the roster etc.

Depth charts are going out of style at all levels of college football, and it's a coaching thing, not an SID.  As for the digital programs, as Bartman notes, that's the new world.  I too also miss the old program, but sports information departments are chronically understaffed and underfunded, so let's maybe give them a break.  What D3 SIDS do for college athletes on shoestring budgets is Herculean.

Ice Bear says great post Palooza! +k

[UfanBill]

Ask and you shall receive?...Suddenly voila the Game Notes for tomorrow's Union vs Utica game includes the Two Deep. Thank you.