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[Ice Bear]

UMass Dartmouth doesn't seem like any kind of pushover, for a MASCAC champ. Weak league, sure, but they didn't play a single one-score game in conference. Losing to Anna Maria and allowing 63 points in the process is pretty horrible but I guess everyone gets one bad week.

One common opponent - Bridgewater State - very similar final scores. Mobile QB and we saw the other day what Boyes did to them with his legs. Sophomore WR Angel Sanchez has put up consistent monster numbers (7 games with 120 or more receiving yards).

They've historically been an also-ran but have all of a sudden won 18 games the past two seasons without a coaching change. Either they switched schemes or made some recruiting changes. Lot of New England kids on the roster, obviously.

Hopefully Johnny Utah can give us his insight into the Corsairs.

I have zero insight into this Umass Dartmouth team.  In fact I have never seen them play or even been to that campus.  Just a little out of my range.  Like others have said here, the New England conference champs are not pushovers any more at all.  Especially a team like this who seemed to have won this conference without much pushback.  No close games, no tie breakers, etc.

Ice agrees Utah...head on a swivel with these mother****ers!

Bartman also agrees. Their only loss was against Anna Maria that was a track meet and UMass D had 4 turnovers. Otherwise they sailed through their  schedule. Be ready Ithaca to prepare for a team the skill set of Cortland, don't be overconfident or you'll have a 2008 Curry flashback.

Ice says it is that time of year where the ghosts of Dem Spicy Boyz start dancing all around the region.

[UfanBill]

The Liberty League announced their 2022 Football Awards and All-League Teams...https://libertyleagueathletics.com/news/2022/11/14/liberty-league-reveals-2022-football-awards-and-all-league-teams.aspx

As would be expected league champion Ithaca College was well represented having 10 of it's players named First Team including Offensive POY QB A.J.Wingfield, Defensive POY LB Matt Desimpliciis, Special Teams POY K Nicholas Bahamonde and Coaching Staff of the Year headed by Michael Toerper. Union's WR Nicholas Dunneman was named Rookie of the Year.

There are many familiar names getting recognition for multiple times but one name that's not on the list sticks out to me, a Union fan, and it speaks of the struggles of the Union defense this season. Austin St. Pierre was named to the 2019 2nd team as a sophomore and 1st team as a senior. The aggressive hard hitting safety was a terror on opposing RBs and WRs. At least once a game he would make a hit that led to a crowd gasp. He came back for his 5th year this fall, was named a captain and seemed poised for another great season. It didn't really happen. In Union's first game surprisingly #9 lined up in a new position. Instead of strong safety he was at linebacker. OK, seemed like a sensible move. He'd be closer to the line of scrimmage thus closer to the action. It didn't work out. St. Pierre only had 35 total tacles, 18 solo, finishing fourth among Union linebackers. His crunching hits never happened. Often he seemed confused about exactly what his defensive assignment needed to be. He seemed handcuffed to his area not free to roam as he did at safety. Defensively he was never a factor...Did the Union coaching staff make a mistake moving St. Pierre to LB? Did he request the move? Whichever is true St. Pierre sacrificed his season for the good of the team. I think he should get recognition for that.   

[Jonny Utah]

Maybe a dumb question, as I have not looked at other boards on this page where I am sure it was discussed, but do we know of any "seniors" this year who are going to come back for a 5th covid year?  Just looked up David Krewson for Hobart but it looks like he has played 4 years including the covid (2018, 2019, 2021, 2022).  But someone like A.J. Wingfield at Ithaca has only played 3 years (2019, 2021 and 2022).  This makes him eligible for another year in 2023.  In fact, there are lots of guys like him whose true freshman year was 2019 on the Ithaca roster.  I have heard little talk here about any of these players (or others in the league) who may come back in 2023. 

And to be clear, am I correct in saying that someone whose true freshman year was 2019, is also able to play in 2023?

[Oline89]

Maybe a dumb question, as I have not looked at other boards on this page where I am sure it was discussed, but do we know of any "seniors" this year who are going to come back for a 5th covid year?  Just looked up David Krewson for Hobart but it looks like he has played 4 years including the covid (2018, 2019, 2021, 2022).  But someone like A.J. Wingfield at Ithaca has only played 3 years (2019, 2021 and 2022).  This makes him eligible for another year in 2023.  In fact, there are lots of guys like him whose true freshman year was 2019 on the Ithaca roster.  I have heard little talk here about any of these players (or others in the league) who may come back in 2023. 

And to be clear, am I correct in saying that someone whose true freshman year was 2019, is also able to play in 2023?

Good question JU.  I was at the Hobart game this past weekend, it was Senior Day, so any "seniors" who did not walk out are presumably coming back.  One thing I can say is that it  appears that the 2 headed running attack of Boswell/Denham will be back. Hobart starting a grad programs 2 years ago (Masters in Science Management, Education, and adding some others this year) have given a lot of the Seniors a place to land.  Maybe Wingfield would be interested in a Masters degree next year.......

[Bartman]

Maybe a dumb question, as I have not looked at other boards on this page where I am sure it was discussed, but do we know of any "seniors" this year who are going to come back for a 5th covid year?  Just looked up David Krewson for Hobart but it looks like he has played 4 years including the covid (2018, 2019, 2021, 2022).  But someone like A.J. Wingfield at Ithaca has only played 3 years (2019, 2021 and 2022).  This makes him eligible for another year in 2023.  In fact, there are lots of guys like him whose true freshman year was 2019 on the Ithaca roster.  I have heard little talk here about any of these players (or others in the league) who may come back in 2023. 

And to be clear, am I correct in saying that someone whose true freshman year was 2019, is also able to play in 2023?

AJ Wingfield can go anywhere he wants for one more year by either dropping out of his Spring term and playing as a Senior again , or playing as a grad student either at Ithaca or wherever he wants to get his graduate degree where they want his talents. We would be happy if he inquired about the Hobart graduate programs . Funny, I was upset when Joe Germinerio became a carpetbagger and ended his career at Brockport to play for the Bombers in 2019. Now everyone transfers in D1 looking for better situations and some NIL money , so I guess Joe was just ahead of his time. Hobart lost Dan Mesina, our top guard in basketball that led us past Springfield to the sweet 16 in the NCAA tournament before the tournament was shut down. He could have gotten a Masters in management at HWS, but he preferred the excellent 2 year MBA program at the U of R, and now is in his second season for the Yellowjackets.

[unionpalooza]

Maybe a dumb question, as I have not looked at other boards on this page where I am sure it was discussed, but do we know of any "seniors" this year who are going to come back for a 5th covid year?  Just looked up David Krewson for Hobart but it looks like he has played 4 years including the covid (2018, 2019, 2021, 2022).  But someone like A.J. Wingfield at Ithaca has only played 3 years (2019, 2021 and 2022).  This makes him eligible for another year in 2023.  In fact, there are lots of guys like him whose true freshman year was 2019 on the Ithaca roster.  I have heard little talk here about any of these players (or others in the league) who may come back in 2023. 

And to be clear, am I correct in saying that someone whose true freshman year was 2019, is also able to play in 2023?

AJ Wingfield can go anywhere he wants for one more year by either dropping out of his Spring term and playing as a Senior again , or playing as a grad student either at Ithaca or wherever he wants to get his graduate degree where they want his talents. We would be happy if he inquired about the Hobart graduate programs . Funny, I was upset when Joe Germinerio became a carpetbagger and ended his career at Brockport to play for the Bombers in 2019. Now everyone transfers in D1 looking for better situations and some NIL money , so I guess Joe was just ahead of his time. Hobart lost Dan Mesina, our top guard in basketball that led us past Springfield to the sweet 16 in the NCAA tournament before the tournament was shut down. He could have gotten a Masters in management at HWS, but he preferred the excellent 2 year MBA program at the U of R, and now is in his second season for the Yellowjackets.

It's funny, I was thinking the same thing - I was chuffed by the whole Joe G thing, but it's quickly become pretty standard for guys who missed a COVID year save a course for a fifth year fall to play another year, even across DIII.  I confess I'll be happy when things return to a normal four year cycle, though I suppose transfers will remain more common.  (Just today I saw that a Union safety, junior Diavon Clements, decided to enter the transfer portal.  I assume he'll land D3, as he was not even LL honorable mention this year.)

It would be interesting to try to step back and access the impact of COVID-era fifth years on the D3 landscape the past few years.  RPI obviously did quite well last year with a huge group.  But at least at Union, more often than not, and for whatever reasons, returning fifth years have had pretty underwhelming seasons (at least relative to expectations).  What have folks observed elsewhere?

[unionpalooza]

Maybe a dumb question, as I have not looked at other boards on this page where I am sure it was discussed, but do we know of any "seniors" this year who are going to come back for a 5th covid year?  Just looked up David Krewson for Hobart but it looks like he has played 4 years including the covid (2018, 2019, 2021, 2022).  But someone like A.J. Wingfield at Ithaca has only played 3 years (2019, 2021 and 2022).  This makes him eligible for another year in 2023.  In fact, there are lots of guys like him whose true freshman year was 2019 on the Ithaca roster.  I have heard little talk here about any of these players (or others in the league) who may come back in 2023. 

And to be clear, am I correct in saying that someone whose true freshman year was 2019, is also able to play in 2023?

AJ Wingfield can go anywhere he wants for one more year by either dropping out of his Spring term and playing as a Senior again , or playing as a grad student either at Ithaca or wherever he wants to get his graduate degree where they want his talents. We would be happy if he inquired about the Hobart graduate programs . Funny, I was upset when Joe Germinerio became a carpetbagger and ended his career at Brockport to play for the Bombers in 2019. Now everyone transfers in D1 looking for better situations and some NIL money , so I guess Joe was just ahead of his time. Hobart lost Dan Mesina, our top guard in basketball that led us past Springfield to the sweet 16 in the NCAA tournament before the tournament was shut down. He could have gotten a Masters in management at HWS, but he preferred the excellent 2 year MBA program at the U of R, and now is in his second season for the Yellowjackets.

It's funny, I was thinking the same thing - I was chuffed by the whole Joe G thing, but it's quickly become pretty standard for guys who missed a COVID year save a course for a fifth year fall to play another year, even across DIII.  I confess I'll be happy when things return to a normal four year cycle, though I suppose transfers will remain more common.  (Just today I saw that a Union safety, junior Diavon Clements, decided to enter the transfer portal.  I assume he'll land D3, as he was not even LL honorable mention this year.)

It would be interesting to try to step back and access the impact of COVID-era fifth years on the D3 landscape the past few years.  RPI obviously did quite well last year with a huge group.  But at least at Union, more often than not, and for whatever reasons, returning fifth years have had pretty underwhelming seasons (at least relative to expectations).  What have folks observed elsewhere?

PS:  Good luck to Bart at W&J this weekend, which would make for a nice LL feather.  And good luck to the Bombers, who have two good draws ahead of them.

PPS:  Go Mustangs, beat RPI!  (Gotta draw the line somewhere.  Can't imagine how much doxycycline we're going to need once we get the Shoes back from RPI now that they've had them a few years.)

[Jonny Utah]

Maybe a dumb question, as I have not looked at other boards on this page where I am sure it was discussed, but do we know of any "seniors" this year who are going to come back for a 5th covid year?  Just looked up David Krewson for Hobart but it looks like he has played 4 years including the covid (2018, 2019, 2021, 2022).  But someone like A.J. Wingfield at Ithaca has only played 3 years (2019, 2021 and 2022).  This makes him eligible for another year in 2023.  In fact, there are lots of guys like him whose true freshman year was 2019 on the Ithaca roster.  I have heard little talk here about any of these players (or others in the league) who may come back in 2023. 

And to be clear, am I correct in saying that someone whose true freshman year was 2019, is also able to play in 2023?

AJ Wingfield can go anywhere he wants for one more year by either dropping out of his Spring term and playing as a Senior again , or playing as a grad student either at Ithaca or wherever he wants to get his graduate degree where they want his talents. We would be happy if he inquired about the Hobart graduate programs . Funny, I was upset when Joe Germinerio became a carpetbagger and ended his career at Brockport to play for the Bombers in 2019. Now everyone transfers in D1 looking for better situations and some NIL money , so I guess Joe was just ahead of his time. Hobart lost Dan Mesina, our top guard in basketball that led us past Springfield to the sweet 16 in the NCAA tournament before the tournament was shut down. He could have gotten a Masters in management at HWS, but he preferred the excellent 2 year MBA program at the U of R, and now is in his second season for the Yellowjackets.

Funny Bartman I was thinking the same thing.  Hobart doesn't need both Boswell and Denham Jr. right?  One of those guys would be a great fit on South Hill! 

In all seriousness I think Joe G. was a rare circumstance where something must have happened at Brockport for him to go one year at a d3 school.  Now if it were Mt. Union or somewhere like that maybe?  But I can't picture going to a rival school unless something happened at the other school.  Going d3 to d1 for the last year or two has been happening since I was in college.  We had a freshman RB (Justin Johnson) back in the day who transferred to Pittsburg St. Kansas (odd move as the kid was from CT).  Anyway he did well there and without looking it up Pittsburg St. won some d2 national championships. 

Another thing I heard is that it isn't always "easy" to get into grad school at Ithaca.  You are going to need a certain GPA and I don't think there is any flexibility with it if I remember correctly.  I'm guessing that is the same at other schools as well.

Anyway let me know what number Denham Jr. wants Bartman....! I think #1 is available with the departure of Robinson.  (Robinson also has an extra year if he wants it)

[IC798891]

Historically, Ithaca won the 1988 National Championship thanks to the best RB duo in the country, both of whom were transfers, one from Navy and one from Rochester

[Machiavelli]

Maybe a dumb question, as I have not looked at other boards on this page where I am sure it was discussed, but do we know of any "seniors" this year who are going to come back for a 5th covid year?  Just looked up David Krewson for Hobart but it looks like he has played 4 years including the covid (2018, 2019, 2021, 2022).  But someone like A.J. Wingfield at Ithaca has only played 3 years (2019, 2021 and 2022).  This makes him eligible for another year in 2023.  In fact, there are lots of guys like him whose true freshman year was 2019 on the Ithaca roster.  I have heard little talk here about any of these players (or others in the league) who may come back in 2023. 

And to be clear, am I correct in saying that someone whose true freshman year was 2019, is also able to play in 2023?

Good question JU.  I was at the Hobart game this past weekend, it was Senior Day, so any "seniors" who did not walk out are presumably coming back.  One thing I can say is that it  appears that the 2 headed running attack of Boswell/Denham will be back. Hobart starting a grad programs 2 years ago (Masters in Science Management, Education, and adding some others this year) have given a lot of the Seniors a place to land.  Maybe Wingfield would be interested in a Masters degree next year.......

Hobart  won't need Wingfield. Rumor has it, Joe Germanerio is transferring to Hobart for a Redshirt/Covid/injury/grad program 11th year of eligibility.

[tecmobowler]

Don't believe on jinxes. Ithaca is going to throttle UMass-Dartmouth.

[NEd3ALUM]

Have seen multiple Dutchmen tweet out today that they have entered the portal...what is going on over in Shocktown?

[Ice Bear]

Ice Bear asks who?

[Bartman]

Maybe a dumb question, as I have not looked at other boards on this page where I am sure it was discussed, but do we know of any "seniors" this year who are going to come back for a 5th covid year?  Just looked up David Krewson for Hobart but it looks like he has played 4 years including the covid (2018, 2019, 2021, 2022).  But someone like A.J. Wingfield at Ithaca has only played 3 years (2019, 2021 and 2022).  This makes him eligible for another year in 2023.  In fact, there are lots of guys like him whose true freshman year was 2019 on the Ithaca roster.  I have heard little talk here about any of these players (or others in the league) who may come back in 2023. 

And to be clear, am I correct in saying that someone whose true freshman year was 2019, is also able to play in 2023?

AJ Wingfield can go anywhere he wants for one more year by either dropping out of his Spring term and playing as a Senior again , or playing as a grad student either at Ithaca or wherever he wants to get his graduate degree where they want his talents. We would be happy if he inquired about the Hobart graduate programs . Funny, I was upset when Joe Germinerio became a carpetbagger and ended his career at Brockport to play for the Bombers in 2019. Now everyone transfers in D1 looking for better situations and some NIL money , so I guess Joe was just ahead of his time. Hobart lost Dan Mesina, our top guard in basketball that led us past Springfield to the sweet 16 in the NCAA tournament before the tournament was shut down. He could have gotten a Masters in management at HWS, but he preferred the excellent 2 year MBA program at the U of R, and now is in his second season for the Yellowjackets.

Funny Bartman I was thinking the same thing.  Hobart doesn't need both Boswell and Denham Jr. right?  One of those guys would be a great fit on South Hill! 

In all seriousness I think Joe G. was a rare circumstance where something must have happened at Brockport for him to go one year at a d3 school.  Now if it were Mt. Union or somewhere like that maybe?  But I can't picture going to a rival school unless something happened at the other school.  Going d3 to d1 for the last year or two has been happening since I was in college.  We had a freshman RB (Justin Johnson) back in the day who transferred to Pittsburg St. Kansas (odd move as the kid was from CT).  Anyway he did well there and without looking it up Pittsburg St. won some d2 national championships. 

Another thing I heard is that it isn't always "easy" to get into grad school at Ithaca.  You are going to need a certain GPA and I don't think there is any flexibility with it if I remember correctly.  I'm guessing that is the same at other schools as well.

Anyway let me know what number Denham Jr. wants Bartman....! I think #1 is available with the departure of Robinson.  (Robinson also has an extra year if he wants it)

JonnyU,
    Now that Mach has revealed Hobart's interest in Joey G's special "Pre-Covid" extra eligibility year for 2023, I think a Wingfield-Denham swap is unnecessary. Oh and if the NCAA Booster violations police are reading this, you need to get a life.

[unionpalooza]

Ice Bear asks who?

Diavon Clements and Azarai Lewis (both two year starters in the secondary) and Avery Turton (WR).  Hard to tell if something's happened, if it's academics, or if it's just our grass-is-always-greener culture.   None of them were even LL honorable mention this year, so not clear what their D1/2 options will really be.  In any case, definitely a real loss for the Dutchmen, especially in the secondary, which looked to be a veteran group next year.   Hopefully this is the extent of it.