FB: Liberty League

[IC798891]

"It's the fact that we're then pretending the rest of the game plays out the same way that's the problem". I believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and pretending the game plays out the same way to prove my point

Anyway, I'll move on from this subject since I'm investigating the jealous culprit who is deleting karma from my buddy Ice Bear......the kind king of karma.

It's not me, I can tell you that much. I only Karma swipe Coleman. But they're getting me too. Ha.

[Bartman]

The latest poll has Ithaca moving up one to #16 and Union getting a serious vote  total , but only 1 vote(corrected prior post) for RPI?? Saturday's Bombers vs. Engineer game should be very competitive. From the video I've seen , the RPI offense will challenge  Ithaca  better than Hobart did. The question will be whether the SlideRulers Defense will be traditionally strong. An RPI win can start the LL Championship chaos, which I am totally on board for. 

[CNU85]

RPI received 1 vote. That's probably still less than you were expecting.

[IC798891]

The latest poll has Ithaca moving up one to #16 and Union getting a serious vote  total , but no votes for RPI?? Saturday's Bombers vs. Engineer game should be very competitive. From the video I've seen , the RPI offense will challenge  Ithaca  better than Hobart did. The question will be whether the SlideRulers Defense will be traditionally strong. An RPI win can start the LL Championship chaos, which I am totally on board for.

I think RPI is better than they were last year, for sure. I would make them favorites at home this week against IC.

My gut is something similar to the IC Hobart score. 24-14 ish.

[Pat Coleman]

"It's the fact that we're then pretending the rest of the game plays out the same way that's the problem". I believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and pretending the game plays out the same way to prove my point

Anyway, I'll move on from this subject since I'm investigating the jealous culprit who is deleting karma from my buddy Ice Bear......the kind king of karma.

It's not me, I can tell you that much. I only Karma swipe Coleman. But they're getting me too. Ha.

You're a peach.

[IC798891]

"It's the fact that we're then pretending the rest of the game plays out the same way that's the problem". I believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and pretending the game plays out the same way to prove my point

Anyway, I'll move on from this subject since I'm investigating the jealous culprit who is deleting karma from my buddy Ice Bear......the kind king of karma.

It's not me, I can tell you that much. I only Karma swipe Coleman. But they're getting me too. Ha.

You're a peach.

Hey man, you've got like, three grand. You're pretty much the Jeff Bezos of the boards

[Bartman]

"It's the fact that we're then pretending the rest of the game plays out the same way that's the problem". I believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and pretending the game plays out the same way to prove my point

Anyway, I'll move on from this subject since I'm investigating the jealous culprit who is deleting karma from my buddy Ice Bear......the kind king of karma.

It's not me, I can tell you that much. I only Karma swipe Coleman. But they're getting me too. Ha.

You're a peach.

Hey man, you've got like, three grand. You're pretty much the Jeff Bezos of the boards

Could it be that Pat Coleman is the one dinging Ice Bear out of jealousy that IB is catching up with him. Hey IB has the highest % of positive karma of anyone on any board. I can tell you this, never go on the OAC board during post season , the negative karma for non-regulars is frightening.

[Ice Bear]

I always hold true to the karma here on the boards. I remember when I first arrived on the LLPP and karma was kind of a big deal and fun to joke around about. We are all just powerless over the swipers and that's something I will have to learn to live with again lol. Thanks for the couple of +k's fellas. For some reason, I do appreciate it. 

I have my eye on this weekend's RPI/IC matchup in Troy. With the improved play of Jr. QB Jake Kazanowsky and the Engineer O, this game may certainly be up for grabs. I still hold IC in that top spot. We've discussed their possible shortcomings/question marks around Wingfield's play this season and the overall ability of the Bomber O to put big points up on the board. However, like I said yesterday, this team is tested and did what they had to do to defeat a very good Statesmen team Saturday, even minus the thigh high grass that used to sit on Butterfield. I think they may have to score more than they did this past week to defeat RPI. If the D can rattle Kazanowsky and force a turnover or two I think it will be hard for RPI to get into it's new found rhythm on O. I believe the Engineers will have to come out of the gate strong on O to win this game. IC would love to have a methodical grind it out type game as that's their M.O. What will we see Saturday? I don't know about you, but I'm very excited.

[Ice Bear]

My week #5 Liberty League Rankings:

1.) Ithaca
2.) RPI
3.) Hobart
4.) Union
5.) Rochester
6.) SLU
7.) Buffalo State

*I believe 2-4 are absolutely interchangeable at this point. Believe me, I think Hobart is really good and will get even better as the season progresses. I think Union has looked particularly sharp up to this point and could be the best of the four...but schedule. I am impressed by RPI's improvement on O. I couldn't argue with any order of RPI, Hobart, and Union at this point. We'll know a bit more after this weekend.

[Bartman]

Well the LL season has begun and the Bombers met their first test by beating the Statesmen. The Sliderulers always play them tough in that HUGE stadium where they made their fans sit on a hill overlooking the stadium during COVID to avoid close contact.

BARTMAN's LL Rankings:

1. ITHACA
2. RPI
3. UNION
4. HOBART
5.  ROCHESTER
6. BUFFALO ST.
7. ST. LAWRENCE

Giving some love to BUFF ST. based on close game with Rochester..Saints are hurting.


Participant                  Wins per week.                        Total.      Percentage

ICAlum(the instigator).      5/6/5/-/3                            19/22*.           .864
UnionPalooza.                   7/5/-/4/2                            18/21.             .857
Bartman.                          6/7/5/5/2#                          25/28.            .893
Ice Bear.                          6/6/4/5/2#                           23/28.             .821
Jersey 42.                        6/-/-/5 /-                             11/12.             .916
Machiavelli                       -/5/6/5/3                             19/21.             .905
Oline.                              -/4/-/-/2                               6/10.              .600
IC798891.                       -/-/5./-/-                               5/6.               . 833
UFAN.                              -/-/-/4/2                               6/8.               .750

Congratulations to those who picked the three winners this weekend. My apologies to those who supported Hobart.
# met 5 week minimum
* no selection for the first  Friday night  game was made

[Bartman]

LL Players of the week:


Offensive Performer of the Week: Jalen Leonard-Osbourne, Ithaca
Defensive Performer of the Week: Ben Stola, Ithaca-Also,D3.com team Stola is a legit beast
Special Teams Performer of the Week: Max Gluck, Union
Rookie of the Week: Basiaka Butcher, Buffalo State
Honor Roll: Michael Fiore, Union; Daniel Papantonis, Rochester; Sam Tourangeau, Ithaca; Jordy Tawa, Rochester

[Jonny Utah]

So I watched the IC/Hobart in full today, a few things I missed and some other thoughts:

-Two missed plays by both teams were Colombi overthrowing an open WR in the 1st that would have been a TD and also IC just missing a pick six at the end of the half from an errant Colombi cross field throw.

-IC and Hobart had success running the ball on two concepts, but didn't run them enough and tried to pass (too much for both teams imo).  Hobart runs an outside zone/stretch play really well.  They put that fullback in in addition to either Boswell or Denham also blocking and both of those guys are tough.  They only ran it twice it seems and both times went for big yards.  They need to run those concepts more as Denham is real good at making cuts, and those cuts are easier on outside zone plays vs inside zone plays.  Ithaca too seemed to have much bigger holes with simple inside zone.  granted Jake Williams is out and he is their go to back and power runner, but they seemed to get away from it too early until the 2nd half and broke off a big run with it in the 4th.

-in the 3rd quarter Wingfield scrambled and rushed to his right.  A ref through a flag during the play for holding (it was a clear hold) and then a Hobart defender came up and crushed Wingfield with a helmet to helmet tackle and the ref there threw the flag (Wingfield was trying to run so he was fair game but the flag could have only been for the helmet to helmet hit).  Then another flag came out when an IC lineman pushed a Hobart player after the play (also a clear penalty).  But the refs only called the two on IC?  I wouldn't have minded if the refs didn't throw the flag on Hobart but they did and it was clear what the flag was for.  Unless I'm missing something with that rule and defenders are allowed to go helmet to helmet with players who have the ball?  I've seen that called on the offense as well so I'm not sure what happened there. 

-The bad snap on the punt was a tricky one.  The Hobart punter was at the 3 (or maybe even 5) when he tried to scoop it or fall on it (it wasn't clear from the video).  I'm not sure punters are coached to bat/kick the ball out of bounds if the ball lands there.  I can see the endzone sure, but the 3 or 5?  Especially when he may have tried to scoop it up and turn and make somethign out of it?  Also you can't kick or bat the ball.  If he did that Ithaca would have gotten 2 points, and the ball with a 10 yard penalty assessed on the Safety which would have had Hobart kick from the 10 yard line instead of the 20.  I think punters are coached to scoop it and carry it out of the back of the endzone, not bat it or kick it. 

-On the blocked FG it didn't look like the Hobart player (lineman or TE?) could have scooped or scored.  But again that was a tough angle that you couldn't really see on video but Ithaca was there quick so who knows.

Overall this was a good test for Hobart (Ithaca has already been tested which isn't great for IC as I think they could have done more offensively) and they can figure some things out.  Not sure Colombi is a great QB but he is solid. 

[Ice Bear]

So I watched the IC/Hobart in full today, a few things I missed and some other thoughts:

-Two missed plays by both teams were Colombi overthrowing an open WR in the 1st that would have been a TD and also IC just missing a pick six at the end of the half from an errant Colombi cross field throw.

-IC and Hobart had success running the ball on two concepts, but didn't run them enough and tried to pass (too much for both teams imo).  Hobart runs an outside zone/stretch play really well.  They put that fullback in in addition to either Boswell or Denham also blocking and both of those guys are tough.  They only ran it twice it seems and both times went for big yards.  They need to run those concepts more as Denham is real good at making cuts, and those cuts are easier on outside zone plays vs inside zone plays.  Ithaca too seemed to have much bigger holes with simple inside zone.  granted Jake Williams is out and he is their go to back and power runner, but they seemed to get away from it too early until the 2nd half and broke off a big run with it in the 4th.

-in the 3rd quarter Wingfield scrambled and rushed to his right.  A ref through a flag during the play for holding (it was a clear hold) and then a Hobart defender came up and crushed Wingfield with a helmet to helmet tackle and the ref there threw the flag (Wingfield was trying to run so he was fair game but the flag could have only been for the helmet to helmet hit).  Then another flag came out when an IC lineman pushed a Hobart player after the play (also a clear penalty).  But the refs only called the two on IC?  I wouldn't have minded if the refs didn't throw the flag on Hobart but they did and it was clear what the flag was for.  Unless I'm missing something with that rule and defenders are allowed to go helmet to helmet with players who have the ball?  I've seen that called on the offense as well so I'm not sure what happened there.

-The bad snap on the punt was a tricky one.  The Hobart punter was at the 3 (or maybe even 5) when he tried to scoop it or fall on it (it wasn't clear from the video).  I'm not sure punters are coached to bat/kick the ball out of bounds if the ball lands there.  I can see the endzone sure, but the 3 or 5?  Especially when he may have tried to scoop it up and turn and make somethign out of it?  Also you can't kick or bat the ball.  If he did that Ithaca would have gotten 2 points, and the ball with a 10 yard penalty assessed on the Safety which would have had Hobart kick from the 10 yard line instead of the 20.  I think punters are coached to scoop it and carry it out of the back of the endzone, not bat it or kick it. 

-On the blocked FG it didn't look like the Hobart player (lineman or TE?) could have scooped or scored.  But again that was a tough angle that you couldn't really see on video but Ithaca was there quick so who knows.

Overall this was a good test for Hobart (Ithaca has already been tested which isn't great for IC as I think they could have done more offensively) and they can figure some things out.  Not sure Colombi is a great QB but he is solid.

I was also a bit perplexed by this Utah. While I haven't watched the replay of the game I clearly recall the official throwing a flag (for what I interpreted during real time to possibly be an illegal helmet to helmet hit). At the time I remember not knowing if the hit was legal or not as it happened so fast. Illegal or not, it was no joke. Then, I saw that no penalty was called on the hit, but only on the retaliation (IC lineman sticking up for his QB). The official must have picked up that flag. I wonder if there was any discussion between the officials? Regardless, like I mentioned before, Wingfield is tough as nails. My man bounced up, didn't really seem to complain (from my memory), and was ready for the next play. Man, football is a tough game and Wingfield is one tough young man.

[Bartman]

Jonny U, thanks for the analysis and your insights on the IC/Hobart game. How do I access the archived Ithaca Football video from last Saturday? Thanks.

[Jonny Utah]

Jonny U, thanks for the analysis and your insights on the IC/Hobart game. How do I access the archived Ithaca Football video from last Saturday? Thanks.

IC posted a link a few pages back.  It should be on the right side of the page after you click on the link!