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[Senor RedTackle]

Booby wouldn't be afraid if Fisher played Mount Union in the playoffs, sure there is a 96% chance Mount Union would win but wouldn't it be fun just to see how your team would fair againt the Purple Raiders instead of just guessing....

Plus RT lets say that Fisher does win this weekend, would you not say they have the best chance of winning the East at that point?

well, by laws of syllagism (sp?) and using Avagadro's number and Planck's constant, RT has calculated that RPI would have the BEST chance of winning the east IF they were allowed back in the playoffs by virtue of the last 2 week's performances - wins over Union and Cortland (who almost beat Rowan who barely beat Hobart), coupled with a 2005 win over SJF. Clearly, RPI is the team with the best chance to win the east.....

RT, I think you've got it. Let's just have an RPI/SJU final.

that would be a lot of red in one place!! It was quite the site in 2003!! Would've looked like an RPI intrasquad scrimmage from the 90's when we didn't wear black pants!!

['gro]

Fisher,

Good luck next week.  You embarrassed Union, which, if it wasn't for the LL E8 bragging rights, I would be happier than a pig in a pile of poo.  Union deserves to lose.  I'm sure Audino had everyone thinking the RPI game was a fluke and they should roll Fisher.  Well, it didn't happen, and not only did you lose.  You embarrassed yourselves.

Now, I don't want to rattle Union guys on here the wrong way.  That isn't about you, but more about your coach, and the rivalry that has ensued over the years.  

Gro has wanted to say basically the same thing about union.  Gro has much respect for the school in schenectady, having met plenty of players during my time at RPI, as well as the guys on the posts.

BUT, there's that damned union arrogance (2nd only to Ithaca) that surfaces more times than it should. This year was highlighted by union's favorite dad poster DEA. Saying that the shoes game wasn't important was stupid. Union came out flat and lost not only to their rival, but a home playoff game.  Well, we all know how this story ends so I won't repeat it.  Once union learns a little humility, they might actually accomplish the things they already think they derserve.

[Tags]

To his defense RT I got caught up in it the past week as well as you know. I'm usually not that nutty about things - I suppose it's just that time of year. I did try to pull FF82 back tonight however ... I saw where it was going.

RT isn't worried about it....guys like FF82 come and go all the time. At least you understand the environment here..

Is this where I am supposed to apologize for Fisher's win yesterday?

OK, RT I am sorry that Fisher won even though you so boldly said they were not a National elite team.  Now you of course so boldly predict they will lose next week and try to paint me an ungracious winner.

I didnt take any of this personal, I do understand the environment in here just that I thought it was ok for a little razzing, but apparently not.

your spinning of this is great. Don't apologize...never asked for that. But how does this win mean SJF is a 'national elite team'? Mount Union or St.John's would hang 50 points on SJF (the way SC did) but the difference is that SJF would be lucky to get 2 TD's against these guys. Also, you don't "razz"...you come into the LL and act like a front runner. That doesn't win friends here. Lots of razzing goes on all year. Anyway, RT is done w/ this silly conversation because he really doesn't care about SJF in the context you think he does.

BTW, Robinson is a cock...

"I told (Vosburgh), 'If you need to, put the team on my back,'" said Robinson (20 carries, 98 yards), who dyed his hair platinum blonde. "The offensive line came up huge."

LOL...what a goof. And the mohawks and died hair? Jeeze....bunch of clowns. RT is embarassed he went to a HS run by Basilians...

RT - Tags thinks this is a bit harsh. These are kids in college still who are very excited about the chance to perform in the NCAA's, and did so very well yesterday.

Why the knock on the hair? It was just a team thing.

[Tags]

Also RT - Tags thinks you should lay off Robinson a little bit. He backed up what he said before the game vs. Union, and if a kid says put the team on my back, well then I think that's ballsy actually, and a sign of a real leader.

Tags thinks you are reading this wrong... Mark will do whatever it takes for this team to win. If it means throwing 40 times, then I guarantee you, you won't hear anything negative from him.

[Reno Hightower]

Let the record show that the RPI Fans/Alums waited until Marotti, Arcidiacano and Angiletta's playing careers were over before they really started to bad mouth Union.

[zachattack22]

Fisher,

Good luck next week.  You embarrassed Union, which, if it wasn't for the LL E8 bragging rights, I would be happier than a pig in a pile of poo.  Union deserves to lose.  I'm sure Audino had everyone thinking the RPI game was a fluke and they should roll Fisher.  Well, it didn't happen, and not only did you lose.  You embarrassed yourselves.

Now, I don't want to rattle Union guys on here the wrong way.  That isn't about you, but more about your coach, and the rivalry that has ensued over the years.  

Gro has wanted to say basically the same thing about union.  Gro has much respect for the school in schenectady, having met plenty of players during my time at RPI, as well as the guys on the posts.

BUT, there's that damned union arrogance (2nd only to Ithaca) that surfaces more times than it should. This year was highlighted by union's favorite dad poster DEA. Saying that the shoes game wasn't important was stupid. Union came out flat and lost not only to their rival, but a home playoff game.  Well, we all know how this story ends so I won't repeat it.  Once union learns a little humility, they might actually accomplish the things they already think they derserve.

The RPI loss for Union was NOT minor. ZA has been saying all year that Union's Defense scared the hell out  of ZA and ZA took many criticisms from U fans, even though ZA has been a loyal supporter of the program.  NOT having a first round home game to ZA, was huge...Whether the U would have won or lost at home isn't the point....They HAD something to play for....Number one, it's a huge rivalry and both schools recruit similar athletes....Two, traveling miles and miles to an NCAA game when a team could be playing on their own turf?  Big reasons to win.

ZA will not blame that loss on "coming out flat", the mud, or anything else. ZA doesn't know any of these so-called "whiners". It appears to ZA, that every single team has their share of fans, alum, etc, that do their share of arrogance and whining. Maybe not on this board, but there's plenty to go around. 

[Senor RedTackle]

Fisher,

Good luck next week.  You embarrassed Union, which, if it wasn't for the LL E8 bragging rights, I would be happier than a pig in a pile of poo.  Union deserves to lose.  I'm sure Audino had everyone thinking the RPI game was a fluke and they should roll Fisher.  Well, it didn't happen, and not only did you lose.  You embarrassed yourselves.

Now, I don't want to rattle Union guys on here the wrong way.  That isn't about you, but more about your coach, and the rivalry that has ensued over the years.  

Gro has wanted to say basically the same thing about union.  Gro has much respect for the school in schenectady, having met plenty of players during my time at RPI, as well as the guys on the posts.

BUT, there's that damned union arrogance (2nd only to Ithaca) that surfaces more times than it should. This year was highlighted by union's favorite dad poster DEA. Saying that the shoes game wasn't important was stupid. Union came out flat and lost not only to their rival, but a home playoff game.  Well, we all know how this story ends so I won't repeat it.  Once union learns a little humility, they might actually accomplish the things they already think they derserve.

The RPI loss for Union was NOT minor. ZA has been saying all year that Union's Defense scared the hell out  of ZA and ZA took many criticisms from U fans, even though ZA has been a loyal supporter of the program.  NOT having a first round home game to ZA, was huge...Whether the U would have won or lost at home isn't the point....They HAD something to play for....Number one, it's a huge rivalry and both schools recruit similar athletes....Two, traveling miles and miles to an NCAA game when a team could be playing on their own turf?  Big reasons to win.

ZA will not blame that loss on "coming out flat", the mud, or anything else. ZA doesn't know any of these so-called "whiners". It appears to ZA, that every single team has their share of fans, alum, etc, that do their share of arrogance and whining. Maybe not on this board, but there's plenty to go around. 

having followed the comments on PP all season, it would appear that's there's some disconnect between the guys on the LL board versus what RT sees/hears when he observes many fans on the street. The guys here (ZA, Frank, U89, etc) are openly critical of U where they deserve it and seem to have a different attitude about it than the type U fans we hear making the comments after losing to RPI about "rather being in the NCAAs". Many of the casual Union fans have the same arrogance and RT isn't surprised...they've won the LL 2 straight years and, until yesterday, have represented themselves well in the postseason.

RT has long felt the way Gro and LD11 do about the arrogance out of Schenectady because it was front and center durning RT's career in college...plus, it was definitely built up in the program in Troy. On this board though, RT has gotten to appreciate the flip side of a handful of die hard Union fans who aren't afraid to ask the tough questions about the team. RT would be accurate to say the same goes on with the RPI fans.

That being said, RT is pissed at the U for embarassing themselves and the LL for that turd they laid in Rochester.  Maybe if they'd had some more emotion in TroyAnd...yes, RT waited until those guys were done before being critical of the individual. Although, RT didn't see the turd yesterday so it's hard for him to comment on Marotti.

Frank...can you give us some perspective?

[Tags]

RT - I think Marotti has a great arm. The balls he threw yesterday were very tight & he was placing them pretty much in the right places all game. To be honest, there were a few (I'd say 3-4) balls that were flat out dropped that should have been caught for big gains.

On another note though, Fisher's secondary played a great game and broke up a ton of passes when the game still mattered (IE: 1st half, middle way through the 3rd). Outside of a few coverage sacks, the O-line did a great job giving him time to throw all game. He threw a few questionable balls yesterday that were easily knocked down and should have been picked - I think he was picked multiple times anyway. The ball Stepnick picked and returned was a terrible decision, not sure why he threw it. (They should have tried to get #1 to the outside from there).

The majority of their yards came in the 4th quarter, when Fisher was beginning to rotate the backups in... But I can see where he would be dangerous when making the right decisions.

[lewdogg11]

I think there is a very fine line between a union 'fan', and/or alum, vs. a Union parent.  I think it's a majority of the Union parents and the Faculty and Administration that bring the bad reputation as they mostly think the the world revolves around them.  I've known quite a few Union players and they have all been pretty decent guys, with a few exceptions and bad eggs, which you'll find anywhere. 

I guess you could make the claim in the difference between Giants and Jets fans is kinda similar.  You can find a lot of suits and wine drinkers in the Giants crowd...

[Reno Hightower]

It is easy for an RPI fan/Alum to sit here today and criticze Union's performance (which I admit was dreaful at best)....however Union was playing the best team that I have seen them play in the last 3 years (and that includes Rowan)...while RPI was playing a team that did nothing but prove that the NCAA Selection Committe knows what it is doing. Cortland did not belong in the playoffs and Hobart did, that was shown on the fields of play yesterday afternoon.

Now, Union would not have won this game with a healthy TA, so this is not an excuse, but TA was nowhere near full-go. As I said, SJF still would have beaten Union handily. Union could not block them. However, a healthy TA could have kept the SJF Defense honest and some of those batted passes that ZA talked about could have been catches for Union and the game could have been what we all thought it was going to be.

St John Fisher still would have won. Reno says at half the score would have been 14-7 SJF, at the end of 3 it would have been 24-14 SJF and the final score would have been 34-17 SJF....but everyones starters would have played the whole game.

[superman57]

Reno no offense ment here...but this late in the season no one is healthy

[zachattack22]

Going to the NCAA's SHOULD be more important than winning in a rivalry game...Perhaps that was what was meant by some. Success for Union, is not based on beating RPI, or should it be for RPI to beat Union...It's part of the success, but both teams have higher goals and that's to go deeper into the playoffs.  ZA can't speak for anyone else. BUT...BUT...BUT...When you lose and act like it didn't mean anything....THAT's arrogance....The rivalry game DOES mean much, each and every year. 

ZA can admit that he himself, tried to play down the loss psychologically, as if it didn't mean that much....because ZA looked at it at first, as just a bad game played by Union. ZA thinks this is what is called a "defense mechanism" we all experience to not face facts in front of us when we're so freakin disappointed!!!

BUT, once ZA gave it more thought, he realized that thinking that way was taking away the fact that RPI played better, wanted the game more, was more inspired, and now....Union was going into the NCAA's on a descending performance instead of showing they were a team to be reckoned with. It's not how strong you start, but how strong you finish sometimes, and RPI finished strong.

ZA was so disappointed in fact, by the loss at RPI, that he posted a very aggressive post regarding the U's defense, their schemes, their coaching decisions, etc....and stated it would be his last post.  Just couldn't stick with that last post once ZA read all the midevil posts that went on for 10 pages!  Just too funny.

Next year will be interesting....Union will be losing some major offensive players, yet has recruited much talent to hopefully replace these losses...That's the challenge of college football in DIII anyway....Recruiting and devleloping players that have to first and foremost, make it through some tough educational challenges while playing a sport that takes so much time and commitment.  Makes DIII a special place for players and fans.

ZA has the utmost respect for DIII players because they are 99% playing for the love of the game only, and for most, the last times they will play football as they move on with their lives, jobs, etc....

[Jonny Utah]

It is easy for an RPI fan/Alum to sit here today and criticze Union's performance (which I admit was dreaful at best)....however Union was playing the best team that I have seen them play in the last 3 years (and that includes Rowan)...while RPI was playing a team that did nothing but prove that the NCAA Selection Committe knows what it is doing. Cortland did not belong in the playoffs and Hobart did, that was shown on the fields of play yesterday afternoon.

Now, Union would not have won this game with a healthy TA, so this is not an excuse, but TA was nowhere near full-go. As I said, SJF still would have beaten Union handily. Union could not block them. However, a healthy TA could have kept the SJF Defense honest and some of those batted passes that ZA talked about could have been catches for Union and the game could have been what we all thought it was going to be.

St John Fisher still would have won. Reno says at half the score would have been 14-7 SJF, at the end of 3 it would have been 24-14 SJF and the final score would have been 34-17 SJF....but everyones starters would have played the whole game.

Reno, would you say that Unions oline from last year to this year was the biggest difference in the end result (plus the WR injury)?  I know for one that Unions oline last year was probably the most underated part of their team and maybe the best part of their team.

[Jonny Utah]

Patriots back on track!

And the steelers....dam what a game.

[Senor RedTackle]

did anyone see the end of the Bills game?? Or the beginning where buffalo had 2 long TD's in the first quarter totalling 160 yards....WOW