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[Frank Rossi]

I said that comment. I wasn't aware of any injury to #1 - why wasn't it an issue prior to the game? Why didn't it get mentioned well before hand, and not after all was said and done?

I don't think it's immature to say it wasn't worth the hype. 11 carries for 10 yards when you're the leading active RB in DIII ?

He had a great career & he's obviously a great athlete & that's worth a ton of respect absolutely.

People here did discuss Arcidiacono's injuries throughout the season, especially before RPI and SJF.  I was even told that they thought he was at or near 100% before both games, but his gait seemed to offer counter-evidence.  I don't think it was meant as misinformation -- I think that when he ran in game-situations at full speed, his injuries took a bigger toll than what he and others feared.  It's tough to replicate game-time scenarios like that for the sake of testing injuries.  I hope and pray that it does not adversely affect TA's Gagliardi Trophy chances, because his SJF performance was definitely muted by Union's need to find some other way to win (hence, his record-low number of carries).

[zachattack22]

I said that comment. I wasn't aware of any injury to #1 - why wasn't it an issue prior to the game?

I don't think it's immature to say it wasn't worth the hype. 11 carries for 10 yards when you're the leading active RB in DIII ?

He had a great career & he's obviously a great athlete & that's worth a ton of respect absolutely.

I still can have an opinion on things.

ZA gathers ya just don't get it!  IF he's a great athlete and worth a ton of respect, then why didn't you say that?
How about you were proud as hell you shut down a great running back? "Not worth the hype" sends an entire different message that ZA gathers you just don't understand. Ya just don't get it! Are you telling us that somehow, if Robinson had to step in for Arcidiacono on that particular game, Union would not have had to pass so much and Robinson would have somehow had 100+ yards on the ground?  It's almost like you don't understand the game!  One more time...."not worth the hype" is like a personal attack on the guys ability and career.  How could he be "not worth the hype"?  Gee, ya think there's a bunch of other DIII teams that would have loved to have the guy on their team just like there's teams that would want Robinson?  You know why?  Because they ARE worth the hype...Get it?

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Ha, wow.

I do get it - and I can understand that "not worth the hype" comes off the wrong way.

It was said b/c all week I was thinking I was going to see someone really turn it on vs. Fisher. So for me it wasn't worth all the hype when he got stopped like that. It wasn't really a dig on his entire career.

[Frank Rossi]

okay SJF (and all you other transplants) you won the games (you beat Union by a lot, and got revenge for your only loss), does not mean a whole lot when Rowan is coming to play ya. Have you seen any NJAC games? What is your barometer for how up or down that league was this year? If you dont know then pointing out a 12ppg offense for Rowan is way off the mark. SJF has a good team. They play solid defense and run a balanced offense (most of the time). The funny thing is as bigdvs types that it is the same thing written about Union before facing Rowan last year. They will be faster then what you have seen count on it. They will be bigger (at some positions) count on it. They are a playoff tested program that has already pulled 2 games out of the fire this post season, so rattling them by scoring first wont work, count on it. All that said, bigdvs would love for someone other then brown and gold to be the East representative in the Final 4.  (though some of you are not engendering any goodwill SJF's way either at this point)

I havent been on these boards that long, but one thing that is pervasive and that I cannot understand is why posting in favor of your team (regardless of how 'aggressive the post may appear) equates to "not engendering goodwill"?  This also begs an important question?  Why does one care about engendering "gooodwill" up in here?  Why can't posts be just posts without all the analyzing and posturing that goes on.  Lets just support who we want to support and provide football info, etc and be happy.

Go Fisher...at the risk of being called ungoodwillengendering

Honestly, it's not bad to root for your team on these boards.  However, it's disrespectful to the players, coaches and fans of other teams to spout off BS comments about other squads, whether partially justified or not -- it's just not in good taste.  It kinda goes back to Robinson's pre-Union comments about TA and Union.  Paraphrasing the tone of what he said would go like this:

"Union will lose because I'm gonna have a great day, TA, while he may be good, will have a lousy day and we'll just shut them down."

What he COULD'VE said to be more appropriate would have sounded like this:

"Fisher should have a great day on Saturday -- I hope to match my success of the past games with the help of my great O-Line, and I think our defense will help keep the ball in our offense's hands throughout the game."

That statement is somewhat bold, but tones down the ego and sends thanks to his O-Line and Defense for giving him the opportunities.  It doesn't "call out" a player on the other team, and it doesn't ignore the other team's capabilities that got them to the Tournament.

I'd say the problematic posts are sounding like the paraphrase of Robinson I did above instead of the "we have the capabilities and if we play to them, we can definitely have a fighting chance to win Saturday" tone that should be here.  "Go team!" does not have the same ring as "Rowan sucks!"  If you have criticisms or points to make, BACK THEM UP.  That's a healthy debate then.  The NCAA is right (God help me) when they discuss being supportive to all student-athletes instead of acting with malice at games.  Try extending it to here, and everyone will respect you and your fans a LOT more.

[rowanlb92]

I am really rooting hard for Fisher in this game because I hate hate hate Rowan, but you guys need to start walking softly and carrying big sticks.

Tell us how you really feel about Rowan.  How many beatings did you take from them?

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I said that comment. I wasn't aware of any injury to #1 - why wasn't it an issue prior to the game? Why didn't it get mentioned well before hand, and not after all was said and done?

I don't think it's immature to say it wasn't worth the hype. 11 carries for 10 yards when you're the leading active RB in DIII ?

He had a great career & he's obviously a great athlete & that's worth a ton of respect absolutely.

People here did discuss Arcidiacono's injuries throughout the season, especially before RPI and SJF.  I was even told that they thought he was at or near 100% before both games, but his gait seemed to offer counter-evidence.  I don't think it was meant as misinformation -- I think that when he ran in game-situations at full speed, his injuries took a bigger toll than what he and others feared.  It's tough to replicate game-time scenarios like that for the sake of testing injuries.  I hope and pray that it does not adversely affect TA's Gagliardi Trophy chances, because his SJF performance was definitely muted by Union's need to find some other way to win (hence, his record-low number of carries).

I know this will be the unpopular view, but I'm thinking his record low number of carries came from the fact that it was hard for him to take on the entire defensive line by himself.

[SJFF82]

Mr. Rossi,

Your posting was less than substantial aginst SJF!

1.  You mention the defensive scheme SJF played last week vs. Springfield - stack too many in the box and won!

Ummm - First off, nice number of posts for a person spouting off.  What position do you play?

And I ask that because it's obvious that someone bitch-slapped you a little too hard on Saturday; you apparently didn't read/comprehend what I wrote.  I never faulted SJF for placing too many people in the box against Springfield.  My statement was that SJF learned from the first game that you can take that gamble with Springfield and win as long as you're willing to give up one or two big plays.  Then I stated that the same defense would not work against a two-dimensional offense (like Rowan) -- I made that statement because of this springboarding going on by SJF posters that Saturday's game (and the prior week's game) prove that Fisher's defense is so great.  My point is that neither game proved greatness.  There are signs of some great things there, no doubt.  However, resting on your laurels about the defense really will hurt you at the end of the day.

2.  You mention the Union game and didn't give a lick of credit to the Fisher D (completely different scheme) but gave excuses of the opposing offense.  What was the verdict of that game?  A blowout?!?!

I credit the Fisher victories to a "well balanced" attack.  They can obviously match up offensively and defensively to any team.  Have you check the difference in average point for vs. point against for Fisher?  Obviously not - I'll give it to you 29 points.  

I"ve got an idea with your knowledge and postings - either post them to the E8 board or stick your head in a toilet and flush!

Get a clue and revisit your comments.

And then of course I mentioned what happened to Union's offense in the SJF/Union game -- it became one-dimensional by the end of the first quarter when Arcidiacono, who may have twisted his other ankle at the RPI game the week before, couldn't cut.  It took Union out of any running scheme and made it much easier for SJF's defense to play the pass.  Would Union have won the game with a 100% TA?  It would've been closer, but probably not a win.  However, it's been no secret that Union has its bad and good games -- and that was a bad game from the start, meaning Union was not Rowan-like on that Saturday.  

Again, spout off all you want, but it's really not going to help matters by Saturday.  THIS IS THE PLAYOFFS, SON.  Throw out the numbers from the first 10 games.  That's how you got to the tournament.  Saturday is a new day -- and it will be against a big, successful team.  Don't focus on beating me up -- focus on beating Rowan up.

Frank your skin is about as thick as the rest of us SJF punks who are "beating you up"  You punk a poster because of the quantity of his posts....good analytical work....

[Frank Rossi]

I am really rooting hard for Fisher in this game because I hate hate hate Rowan, but you guys need to start walking softly and carrying big sticks.

Tell us how you really feel about Rowan.  How many beatings did you take from them?

Oh, God.  This discussion was not meant to empower Rowan's finest.  Please crawl back into the NJAC hole you came from.

[zachattack22]

okay SJF (and all you other transplants) you won the games (you beat Union by a lot, and got revenge for your only loss), does not mean a whole lot when Rowan is coming to play ya. Have you seen any NJAC games? What is your barometer for how up or down that league was this year? If you dont know then pointing out a 12ppg offense for Rowan is way off the mark. SJF has a good team. They play solid defense and run a balanced offense (most of the time). The funny thing is as bigdvs types that it is the same thing written about Union before facing Rowan last year. They will be faster then what you have seen count on it. They will be bigger (at some positions) count on it. They are a playoff tested program that has already pulled 2 games out of the fire this post season, so rattling them by scoring first wont work, count on it. All that said, bigdvs would love for someone other then brown and gold to be the East representative in the Final 4.  (though some of you are not engendering any goodwill SJF's way either at this point)

I havent been on these boards that long, but one thing that is pervasive and that I cannot understand is why posting in favor of your team (regardless of how 'aggressive the post may appear) equates to "not engendering goodwill"?  This also begs an important question?  Why does one care about engendering "gooodwill" up in here?  Why can't posts be just posts without all the analyzing and posturing that goes on.  Lets just support who we want to support and provide football info, etc and be happy.

Go Fisher...at the risk of being called ungoodwillengendering

And here's another one that doesn't "get it"....These boards used to be full of "ill will" one might say, especially between Union and RPI...Why do we care about engendering "goodwill up in here"? Because now RPI and Union LLPP folks actually get together at games and although they're hoping their particular team beats the crap out of the other, they respect each others players, etc...This is what is supposed to separate DIII football from other levels. It's competitive as hell, but there's a "family atmosphere" that is expected in DIII...Being critical, if not personal and backed up by fact or at least explained observations that make sense, happens all the time here...But evidently, most of us do care about goodwill, even when we want our team to kick the crap out of the other team....

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okay SJF (and all you other transplants) you won the games (you beat Union by a lot, and got revenge for your only loss), does not mean a whole lot when Rowan is coming to play ya. Have you seen any NJAC games? What is your barometer for how up or down that league was this year? If you dont know then pointing out a 12ppg offense for Rowan is way off the mark. SJF has a good team. They play solid defense and run a balanced offense (most of the time). The funny thing is as bigdvs types that it is the same thing written about Union before facing Rowan last year. They will be faster then what you have seen count on it. They will be bigger (at some positions) count on it. They are a playoff tested program that has already pulled 2 games out of the fire this post season, so rattling them by scoring first wont work, count on it. All that said, bigdvs would love for someone other then brown and gold to be the East representative in the Final 4.  (though some of you are not engendering any goodwill SJF's way either at this point)

I havent been on these boards that long, but one thing that is pervasive and that I cannot understand is why posting in favor of your team (regardless of how 'aggressive the post may appear) equates to "not engendering goodwill"?  This also begs an important question?  Why does one care about engendering "gooodwill" up in here?  Why can't posts be just posts without all the analyzing and posturing that goes on.  Lets just support who we want to support and provide football info, etc and be happy.

Go Fisher...at the risk of being called ungoodwillengendering

Honestly, it's not bad to root for your team on these boards.  However, it's disrespectful to the players, coaches and fans of other teams to spout off BS comments about other squads, whether partially justified or not -- it's just not in good taste.  It kinda goes back to Robinson's pre-Union comments about TA and Union.  Paraphrasing the tone of what he said would go like this:

"Union will lose because I'm gonna have a great day, TA, while he may be good, will have a lousy day and we'll just shut them down."

What he COULD'VE said to be more appropriate would have sounded like this:

"Fisher should have a great day on Saturday -- I hope to match my success of the past games with the help of my great O-Line, and I think our defense will help keep the ball in our offense's hands throughout the game."

That statement is somewhat bold, but tones down the ego and sends thanks to his O-Line and Defense for giving him the opportunities.  It doesn't "call out" a player on the other team, and it doesn't ignore the other team's capabilities that got them to the Tournament.

I'd say the problematic posts are sounding like the paraphrase of Robinson I did above instead of the "we have the capabilities and if we play to them, we can definitely have a fighting chance to win Saturday" tone that should be here.  "Go team!" does not have the same ring as "Rowan sucks!"  If you have criticisms or points to make, BACK THEM UP.  That's a healthy debate then.  The NCAA is right (God help me) when they discuss being supportive to all student-athletes instead of acting with malice at games.  Try extending it to here, and everyone will respect you and your fans a LOT more.

Frank I don't see anyone saying Rowan sucks on here. And if they did, then they should be pounded for it, I completely agree.

I would also agree that Fisher is the underdog here simply b/c of Rowans experience & tradition.

Doesn't mean there isn't an argument that Fisher can win this game & that it's really a toss-up.

[Frank Rossi]

Frank your skin is about as thick as the rest of us SJF punks who are "beating you up"  You punk a poster because of the quantity of his posts....good analytical work....

Listen, I'll fight any fight here or elsewhere.  However, is that going to help SJF win Saturday?  Beat me up all you think you're capable of doing...but seriously, that's really displacing the enthusiasm and energy you need to be focusing on your team and Rowan.

[rowanlb92]

I am really rooting hard for Fisher in this game because I hate hate hate Rowan, but you guys need to start walking softly and carrying big sticks.

Tell us how you really feel about Rowan.  How many beatings did you take from them?

Oh, God.  This discussion was not meant to empower Rowan's finest.  Please crawl back into the NJAC hole you came from.

Sorry Francine, I didn't realize that this board was meant just for you.  Shouldn't you still be crying about the Hobart coaching decision to go for two.

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ZA - You need to lay off it man. I understand and acknowledge that my comment was taken the wrong way & probably should have been worded differently.

I don't think people have a blatant lack of respect for the good players & teams.

I didn't mean it like that.

[zachattack22]

I said that comment. I wasn't aware of any injury to #1 - why wasn't it an issue prior to the game? Why didn't it get mentioned well before hand, and not after all was said and done?

I don't think it's immature to say it wasn't worth the hype. 11 carries for 10 yards when you're the leading active RB in DIII ?

He had a great career & he's obviously a great athlete & that's worth a ton of respect absolutely.

People here did discuss Arcidiacono's injuries throughout the season, especially before RPI and SJF.  I was even told that they thought he was at or near 100% before both games, but his gait seemed to offer counter-evidence.  I don't think it was meant as misinformation -- I think that when he ran in game-situations at full speed, his injuries took a bigger toll than what he and others feared.  It's tough to replicate game-time scenarios like that for the sake of testing injuries.  I hope and pray that it does not adversely affect TA's Gagliardi Trophy chances, because his SJF performance was definitely muted by Union's need to find some other way to win (hence, his record-low number of carries).

I know this will be the unpopular view, but I'm thinking his record low number of carries came from the fact that it was hard for him to take on the entire defensive line by himself.

Yes, losing the game at the line of scrimmage is a runningback's nightmare, even for the best in the pros.

[Frank Rossi]

Frank I don't see anyone saying Rowan sucks on here. And if they did, then they should be pounded for it, I completely agree.

I would also agree that Fisher is the underdog here simply b/c of Rowans experience & tradition.

Doesn't mean there isn't an argument that Fisher can win this game & that it's really a toss-up.

I've perused the E8 board, and there've been some comments to that effect, especially picking at Rowan's quality of student, etc.  Rowan's fans can talk a lot of smack (and you saw my response to one below), but you need to practice what you preach -- don't make grandiose comments about the school based on a couple badazz posters here.  My comments re: SJF are point toward Robinson's comments, the gameplay I've seen the last two weeks and the overall tenor of the SJF program (fans and players) from the past couple weeks.  Again, I'm rooting for SJF.  I'm just suggesting a way to get others to do the same (never hurts) and ways to motivate your team to avoid a huge letdown Saturday.  SJF carries the East on its shoulders right now for those of us who really want to see new blood in the East like RPI in 2002.  They need to represent as if they belong bearing such a flag.