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[labart96]

It seemed from hearing bits & pieces that Hobart was hanging close all day - Tags assumes TGS knows what he's talking about though.

Just adding a different point of view.

Definitely a valid POV Tags.

Here are the stats that make TGP think Cragg was against going to OT (basically; given a short field Rowan would score and Bart would not):

                                                     HC       RU
Red-Zone Scores-Chances........        3-6      2-2
Field Goals................................    1-3      2-2

Keep in mind that 1 of Bart's 3 scores came after a fumble (caused by a great hit by Evan Hoffman) was recovered inside Rowan's 10.  The 1st score was in the 1st qtr after a long 48 yd bomb put Bart on Rowan's 5 yd line.  After that initial TD, Bart had a real tough time getting it past the Rowan 20.

[AUPepBand]

AUPepBand has a question for The Great Pumpkin....AUPepBand requesting permission to approach The Great Pumpkin's throne.

AUPepBand approaches with gift of +K.

AUPepBand wonders what institution The Great Pumpkin would consider to be Hobart & William Smith's "rival," if any. Hobart football goes way back, as does Rochester, both early opponents of Alfred, which has fielded a team beginning in 1895. Would the UR-Hobart series be Hobart's longest?

[mattvsmith]

It seemed from hearing bits & pieces that Hobart was hanging close all day - Tags assumes TGS knows what he's talking about though.

Just adding a different point of view.

Definitely a valid POV Tags.

Here are the stats that make TGP think Cragg was against going to OT (basically; given a short field Rowan would score and Bart would not):

                                                     HC       RU
Red-Zone Scores-Chances........        3-6      2-2
Field Goals................................    1-3      2-2

Keep in mind that 1 of Bart's 3 scores came after a fumble (caused by a great hit by Evan Hoffman) was recovered inside Rowan's 10.  The 1st score was in the 1st qtr after a long 48 yd bomb put Bart on Rowan's 5 yd line.  After that initial TD, Bart had a real tough time getting it past the Rowan 20.

The Rev agrees with TGP's assessment.  going for 2 was the best thing Cragg could have done.

Basically, if Hobart could not hold off a Rowan drive and field goal in what little time remained in the 4th quarter, then it follows that Hobart would not have been able to hold off Rowan during OT.

The Rev thinks that Coach Cragg was hoping to get the two points, and that Hobart would play strong enough D to  make the clock run out before Rowan could score again.  Had Coach Cragg gone for the extra point kick, there was a) no guarantee that Rowan wouldn't try to win anyway rather than drag it out into OT, and b) had it gone into OT, the score at the end would have been 24-17 rather than 20-18.

It was the proper call, but Rowan's O was too much for Hobart's D.

[mattvsmith]

The Rev is only 10 posts away from hitting 200.

The Rev is very excited.  The Rev had not projected this many posts in a single season.

[AUPepBand]

Well, Rev, then perhaps you'd answer AUPepBand's question as posed to The Great Pumpkin. Perhaps?

[Tags]

Well, Rev, then perhaps you'd answer AUPepBand's question as posed to The Great Pumpkin. Perhaps?

Tags thinks they're may be merit enough to consider a Hobart-AU rivalry going forward? Two up and coming teams who played each other tough this year... Tags feels maybe they should be out of conference games going forward between each of these teams

[Jonny Utah]

RE: 2 point conversion

Is it me or is this the biggest bunch of monday morning quarterbacks Ive ever seen?  The coach had faith in his team to go for two, the team got the two, gave them the lead and people are questioning the decision because Rowan drove down the field and kicked a FG?  

I dont know.  Its kind of something you cant even argue.  Great call by the Hobart coach plain and simple.

-Heres my main point though.....Lets say Hobart goes for the FG to tie the game and they end up losing in OT.  Now they knew that they had a 2-point play that could have (and did) work and they didnt use it.  Now are the Frank Rossis of the world gonna question that call?  I bet the Hobart coaching staff would.
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Ok Frank, go with me here.....

Lets say team A is down to team B, 10-7 with 40 seconds (dont know how much was in the hobart game)  to go in a game and its 4th and goal at the opponents 10.  Heres what could happen.

1) They kick the FG, tie the game.  Now the other team can
a-kick one back to win it
b-score 7 and win it
c-run out the clock and win in ot
d-run out the clock and lose in ot

2) They miss the FG and lose the game

3) They go for the TD and win the game
a-get the TD and the other team gets 7 to win it.

4) They go for the TD and lose the game

What would you do here?  Im my opinion, you do what you think your team is best suited for, and you cant make excuses after the game if you dont stop the other team.

[AUPepBand]

Hobart-AU football certainly has heritage. Hobart was probably Alfred's toughest opponent during its 1955 undefeated season. Then in AU's 1971 undefeated season, the Saxons had to pull off a "Miracle at Geneva" to achieve that mark, scoring three TDs in the final 6+ minutes to win, 28-21, after playing 53+ minutes of lethargic football. The next year at Merrill Field, both teams entered the game unbeaten, with AU prevailing 31-28 in what was billed as "Super Bowl East" and drew more than 7,000 fans.

But AUPepBand believes, however, that UR-Hobart series has more longevity.

[Tags]

Hobart-AU football certainly has heritage. Hobart was probably Alfred's toughest opponent during its 1955 undefeated season. Then in AU's 1971 undefeated season, the Saxons had to pull off a "Miracle at Geneva" to achieve that mark, scoring three TDs in the final 6+ minutes to win, 28-21, after playing 53+ minutes of lethargic football. The next year at Merrill Field, both teams entered the game unbeaten, with AU prevailing 31-28 in what was billed as "Super Bowl East" and drew more than 7,000 fans.

But AUPepBand believes, however, that UR-Hobart series has more longevity.

Tags understands that Pep, however Tags is saying bring it alive! Tags would be much more interested in an Alfred-Statesmen rivalry.

['gro]

VERY IMPORTANT COMMENTARY

Gro needs to write this before bill simmons steals it for his next column (he's always stealing my good stuff and editing it to contain 200 boston references... anyhoo). Gro thinks everyone should check out this new show 24/7 coming to MTV.

Gro thinks someone down at MTV HQ was flipping through their DVR file and wanted to combine Laguna Beach with Entorage. Is it any more obvious in the preview?  And gro is suuure that this is a "true" documentary about a group of up and coming entertainment promoters in LA, who are all like 19 years old. None of their soon to be aired adventures are by any means set up by the people at MTV. Typical show you love to hate (but watch anyway).

Mark your calendars LLPP, it's gonna be a loooong offseason.

[theoriginalupstate]

Gro, quick note about MTV.

Upstate believes that they are the problem with society today, especially MTV's Cribs.  All these shows about big screen flat panel TV's and 22 inch rims is keeping the inner city kids IN the inner city. 

You would not believe the cars I see in the Ghetto that have rust and bondo all over sitting on rims that easily cost $800 or more.  My father-In-law is a HVAC service tech and goes into the houses and he said you'll see 2 or 3 flat panel tvs and not a damn thing in their freezer.

Maybe its just my age, but im sick of MTV and the society that MTV helped create.....

[Tags]

Plus, Tags feels a Saxon-Statesmen rivalry would be good for both conferences!

[Tags]

Gro, quick note about MTV.

Upstate believes that they are the problem with society today, especially MTV's Cribs.  All these shows about big screen flat panel TV's and 22 inch rims is keeping the inner city kids IN the inner city. 

You would not believe the cars I see in the Ghetto that have rust and bondo all over sitting on rims that easily cost $800 or more.  My father-In-law is a HVAC service tech and goes into the houses and he said you'll see 2 or 3 flat panel tvs and not a damn thing in their freezer.

Maybe its just my age, but im sick of MTV and the society that MTV helped create.....

The same society that has Flat Screen Plasma's on their wall and no books on their shelves... Kind of sad actually.

[AUPepBand]

RE: 2 point conversion

Is it me or is this the biggest bunch of monday morning quarterbacks Ive ever seen?  The coach had faith in his team to go for two, the team got the two, gave them the lead and people are questioning the decision because Rowan drove down the field and kicked a FG?  

I dont know.  Its kind of something you cant even argue.  Great call by the Hobart coach plain and simple.

-Heres my main point though.....Lets say Hobart goes for the FG to tie the game and they end up losing in OT.  Now they knew that they had a 2-point play that could have (and did) work and they didnt use it.  Now are the Frank Rossis of the world gonna question that call?  I bet the Hobart coaching staff would.
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Ok Frank, go with me here.....

Lets say team A is down to team B, 10-7 with 40 seconds (dont know how much was in the hobart game)  to go in a game and its 4th and goal at the opponents 10.  Heres what could happen.

1) They kick the FG, tie the game.  Now the other team can
a-kick one back to win it
b-score 7 and win it
c-run out the clock and win in ot
d-run out the clock and lose in ot

2) They miss the FG and lose the game

3) They go for the TD and win the game
a-get the TD and the other team gets 7 to win it.

4) They go for the TD and lose the game

What would you do here?  Im my opinion, you do what you think your team is best suited for, and you cant make excuses after the game if you dont stop the other team.

Sometimes a coach must just go with gut instinct. Back in '71 in that Miracle at Geneva, there was no OT to think about. AU scored on a 76-yard pass out of punt formation with 6:28 remaining to pull within 21-14. A few minutes later, AU scored again. Coach Alex Yunevich could go for 2 to win or kick the PAT to tie. His gut instinct told him the floodgates had opened and there was still more to come. After AU's defense had held the nation's top rusher (Mr. A to Z) to 8 yards on three carries and forced a punt, the Saxons drove to the winning score in the final minute, winning 28-21.

AUPepBand doesn't think there's a textbook answer. Sometimes one just gets a certain "feeling" or "gut instinct" and you go with it. AU's OT win over Rochester was a perfect example. AUPepBand was confident AU would pull it out...and stuck around to see how the Saxons would do it.

[AUPepBand]

Plus, Tags feels a Saxon-Statesmen rivalry would be good for both conferences!

AUPepBand wonders how these "rivalries" got started. Usually there's a ridiculous story about one team stealing another's team's valuable statue or jug or cup or hat or shoes or who knows what else? What the heck is a Cortaca Jug? Was it an Alfred pottery grad who "threw" it?