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[Tags]

Tags thinks a rivalry can be born at any moment. It's all about one game where everyone was playing their hearts out, the fans & coaches were going ape sh*t all game long, and there was some good intense football being played. If you were to have this year in & year out, Tags feels there could be a spark there.

Tags thinks the fans can ignite anything into a rivalry.

That, and a ridiculous story of course... But Tags thinks it can be done even without a story.

[labart96]

AUPepBand has a question for The Great Pumpkin....AUPepBand requesting permission to approach The Great Pumpkin's throne.

AUPepBand approaches with gift of +K.

AUPepBand wonders what institution The Great Pumpkin would consider to be Hobart & William Smith's "rival," if any. Hobart football goes way back, as does Rochester, both early opponents of Alfred, which has fielded a team beginning in 1895. Would the UR-Hobart series be Hobart's longest?

Bart's game vs. UofR this season was their 100th game, so TGP would have to say that is the oldest Bart rival.

[Tags]

Wish you guys would get off the UofR - Alfred rivalry...

Tags is (subtly by the way) pushing for an Alfred-Hobart rivalry to gain some inertia.

[Frank Rossi]

RE: 2 point conversion

Is it me or is this the biggest bunch of monday morning quarterbacks Ive ever seen?  The coach had faith in his team to go for two, the team got the two, gave them the lead and people are questioning the decision because Rowan drove down the field and kicked a FG?  

I dont know.  Its kind of something you cant even argue.  Great call by the Hobart coach plain and simple.

-Heres my main point though.....Lets say Hobart goes for the FG to tie the game and they end up losing in OT.  Now they knew that they had a 2-point play that could have (and did) work and they didnt use it.  Now are the Frank Rossis of the world gonna question that call?  I bet the Hobart coaching staff would.
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Ok Frank, go with me here.....

Lets say team A is down to team B, 10-7 with 40 seconds (dont know how much was in the hobart game)  to go in a game and its 4th and goal at the opponents 10.  Heres what could happen.

1) They kick the FG, tie the game.  Now the other team can
a-kick one back to win it
b-score 7 and win it
c-run out the clock and win in ot
d-run out the clock and lose in ot

2) They miss the FG and lose the game

3) They go for the TD and win the game
a-get the TD and the other team gets 7 to win it.

4) They go for the TD and lose the game

What would you do here?  Im my opinion, you do what you think your team is best suited for, and you cant make excuses after the game if you dont stop the other team.

You left out an important thing that is the underlying basis of my questioning of the decision:  how much time is left and how many timeouts does the other team have?  Also, the scenario you pose differs slightly:  a touchdown takes away the possibility of a FG winning/tying the game.  In the Hobart/Rowan situation, a FG wins either way.  It makes a difference to the other team if they simply need a FG to win while they're behind or if they need a TD to win; it breeds different styles of offense.

JU, let me ask you this question, though.  Why didn't Hobart go for 2 after EVERY touchdown?  Every team thinks they have 3 or 4 2-point plays that are special in nature.  Hell, they could've traded 8 for 7 all day long, according to your theory.  The whole idea of "going for the win" is the idea that YOU CONTROL THE END OF THE GAME.  When Hobart went for 2, the team did not control the game because the clock was far from expiring.  Fifteen seconds left vs. 1:52 left -- two completely different philosophies.  I showed statistically on the other thread that a team in Hobart's position is 10-15% more likely to win, even as the road team, by going for 1 (and that percentage takes into account the idea that extra points are not givens).  If Cragg went for 1 and lost in OT, I would've had no problem at all with that.  In fact, we probably wouldn't have even considered this debate because it's such an oddball decision.  Name me one other time you've seen a team do what Hobart did with two minutes left.

[labart96]

Tags thinks a rivalry can be born at any moment. It's all about one game where everyone was playing their hearts out, the fans & coaches were going ape sh*t all game long, and there was some good intense football being played.

TGP agrees.  Bart was starting to develop a solid rivalry with SJF until the schedule makers did the switcheroo and all of a sudden we stopped playing them.

Alfred - Hobart goes way back as well (78 games over the last 100+ years).  Could certainly blossom again as a great (albeit non-conference) rivalry.

[Tags]

You guys are writing entirely too many long posts this evening 8)

[Tags]

Tags thinks a rivalry can be born at any moment. It's all about one game where everyone was playing their hearts out, the fans & coaches were going ape sh*t all game long, and there was some good intense football being played.

TGP agrees.  Bart was starting to develop a solid rivalry with SJF until the schedule makers did the switcheroo and all of a sudden we stopped playing them.

Alfred - Hobart goes way back as well (78 games over the last 100+ years).  Could certainly blossom again as a great (albeit non-conference) rivalry.

TGP is now speaking my lingo!

[Regulator]

Gro, quick note about MTV.

Upstate believes that they are the problem with society today, especially MTV's Cribs.  All these shows about big screen flat panel TV's and 22 inch rims is keeping the inner city kids IN the inner city. 

You would not believe the cars I see in the Ghetto that have rust and bondo all over sitting on rims that easily cost $800 or more.  My father-In-law is a HVAC service tech and goes into the houses and he said you'll see 2 or 3 flat panel tvs and not a damn thing in their freezer.

Maybe its just my age, but im sick of MTV and the society that MTV helped create.....

Upstate,

#1 - Keep the HVAC guys out of the fridge.....they suck at their jobs enough.....keep them in front of thing that either heats or cools air inside sheetrock......They aren't getting $60 bucks an hour to raid someones refirgerator!!!

#2 - $800 dollars gets you a set of 16's on some decent rubber....MR has stock 18's on stock rubber on her car.....20's will cost you over $2k and deuce deuces will run up your tab 4g's.  You would only do the above if your were "ballin' on a budget"....true playas are rollin' on 2-4's .

#3 - Reg LOVES the MTV era....where else can you consistantly make out with people, drink every night of the week, drive a brand new range rover when you're 17 and have 3 - 60" plasmas which surround a bar and "fireman" pole on top of a stage in your basement?

[XREDDRAGON77]

MTV is like a cancer of the mind, body, and spirit to the uneducated, unmotivated souls who channel surf all day long. I say it should be banned like Asbestos.  
Taste It

[Tags]

MTV is like a cancer of the mind, body, and spirit to the uneducated, unmotivated souls who channel surf all day long. I say it should be banned like Asbestos.  
Taste It

Seconded.

[XREDDRAGON77]

Although XRD77 is the "Gym" teacher, he sees every kid in his elementary school and knows all of them to a certain degree.  The Dragon will agree MTV is humorous to those in the know, but too many kids do not know their @ss from their elbows.  I will admit that many kids getting free and reduced lunch and breakfast come to school in 1985 Dodge Aries K car on 16 in Enkies, or a pimped out Benz.  Some of the parents are just as lost as their kids.
Taste It   
   

[mattvsmith]

AUPepBand wonders what institution The Great Pumpkin would consider to be Hobart & William Smith's "rival," if any. Hobart football goes way back, as does Rochester, both early opponents of Alfred, which has fielded a team beginning in 1895. Would the UR-Hobart series be Hobart's longest?

The Rev is not sure what Hobart's oldest rivalry is.  However, The Rev possesses a piece of sheet music from the 1920's entitled, "March on Down the Field."

According to the lyrics of this song, the two rivals worth singing against were Rochester and Syracuse.

Now that Syracuse is simply a much larger school and out of our league both figuratively and literally, The Rev would reckon that Rochester ought to be considered our rival.

The Rev would accept Alfred as a good candidate for rival, too.

[Tags]

MTV itself isn't the problem Tags doesn't suppose - but it's certainly contributing to the dumbing down of America's youth... And that's coming from one of America's youth!

[mattvsmith]

Plus, Tags feels a Saxon-Statesmen rivalry would be good for both conferences!

The Rev is all for an Alfred-Hobart rivalry.  As said a few days ago, The Rev wants more inter-league play in order to show that LL teams can hold our own against E8 and NJAC.

[mattvsmith]

I say it should be banned like Asbestos.  

Taste It

Taste what?  The Asbestos?