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[mattvsmith]

PBR, KS remembers the same problems 25 years ago when he was in submarine school.

KR's Chief Petty Officer at Navy Officer training said the following about Navy Submarines and it stuck in KR's head like leather seats to a fat chick's @ss on a 95 degree July day:

"Navy submarines, 150 men go out, 75 couples come back."

KR,

Are you an officer on a submarine?

Of so, The Rev's cousin is also.  Or, was.  He was an engineer on a Los Angeles class boat, but is now a liaison to the British Royal Navy.  He's a high-speed lad.  USNA '95.  The Rev is very proud.

The Rev has ties to naval aviation.  The Rev used to fuel many T-34s, T-45s, and F/A-18s for the USN/USMC as a civilian contractor.  Somewhere in the archives The Rev has a photo of himself with a brand-spanking new F-18E that was on its maiden flight from the factory in St. Louis to the carrier in Long Beach.  If you see 201 of the VFA-14 "Tophatters" The Rev was the very first civilian to put his hose in her and pump her full of his Jet-A after leaving the factory.  (this must have been in late 2001 or early 2002).

[mattvsmith]

Your chief is incorrect, we only had about 116 in our crew.  Tell your chief KS said there are only two types of ships, Submarines and Targets.

Not far form the truth, KS.

The Rev is big on warfare theory.  If you haven't figured out by now, The Rev is a nurd with weird interests.

anyway, the Rev was reading about how the Chinese subs sailed with our fleet undetected for a few thousand miles.  Also, from everything The Rev has read regarding modern warfare (i.e. 4th Generation War) large fleets are a dinosaur waiting to keel over.

The Rev refers you to this article by William Lind: http://www.lewrockwell.com/lind/lind113.html
(Lind works in a military think-tank, and was one of the brains behind 3rd generation modern Maneuver Warfare of which the Marines are the masters.)
Also look into this book: The Rules of the Game.  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1557509719/lewrockwell/
It's a history book, with some pertinent lessons for modern navies.  Might be worthwhile.

[Regulator]

Rev et al:

Just curious......since I work with some gov't instittions.

How are civilians viewed by the people that are actually in the military, i.e. are they looked down on?

[Kilted Rat]

Your chief is incorrect, we only had about 116 in our crew.  Tell your chief KS said there are only two types of ships, Submarines and Targets.

At least if you're on a surface target, you can attempt to swim to safety

PBR, KS remembers the same problems 25 years ago when he was in submarine school.

KR's Chief Petty Officer at Navy Officer training said the following about Navy Submarines and it stuck in KR's head like leather seats to a fat chick's @ss on a 95 degree July day:

"Navy submarines, 150 men go out, 75 couples come back."

KR,

Are you an officer on a submarine?

Of so, The Rev's cousin is also.  Or, was.  He was an engineer on a Los Angeles class boat, but is now a liaison to the British Royal Navy.  He's a high-speed lad.  USNA '95.  The Rev is very proud.

Negative, the Navy is paying KR's med school and in turn KR will give the Navy 7-10 years of KR's life.

Congrats to Rev's cousin, quite the mover and the shaker.

RE: Large Fleets
KR was told that the main purpose of large fleets is the same purpose as large biceps in sleeveless shirts in a bar fight: intimidate the other guy into thinking he doesn't want to fight.

[mattvsmith]

Rev et al:

Just curious......since I work with some gov't instittions.

How are civilians viewed by the people that are actually in the military, i.e. are they looked down on?

The Rev suposes it depends.

As a civilian in Korea, The Rev got dissed by many soldiers who treated Rev like a pogue.  Of course, they were all REMFs, so The Rev isn't sure where they got their attitude from.  The Rev will take some guff from infantry, armor/cavalry and artillery, but no one else.

Here in AZ pumping Jet-A, The Rev and pilots had loads of mutual respect.  The Rev and co-workers were known for being a quick turn and being more squared away than any other airport in the West.

The Rev says that if Reguhater knows his stuff, Reg will get proper respect.

[Frank Rossi]

I've never seen vote totals released, not even to me off the record, since we started tracking in 1999.

And Union hasn't had a candidate during that time.  I was told that this was in 1989, before you and I were involved in all this.  Of course, others' memories may not be 100% true, either -- I can only reiterate what I'm told.

[JT]

Rev et al:

Just curious......since I work with some gov't instittions.

How are civilians viewed by the people that are actually in the military, i.e. are they looked down on?

The Rev suposes it depends.

As a civilian in Korea, The Rev got dissed by many soldiers who treated Rev like a pogue.  Of course, they were all REMFs, so The Rev isn't sure where they got their attitude from.  The Rev will take some guff from infantry, armor/cavalry and artillery, but no one else.

Here in AZ pumping Jet-A, The Rev and pilots had loads of mutual respect.  The Rev and co-workers were known for being a quick turn and being more squared away than any other airport in the West.

The Rev says that if Reguhater knows his stuff, Reg will get proper respect.

JT's Dad always usually hated the REMF's.  JT was only a tot, but he remembers both soldiers and contractors being invited over for a BBQ back in the day.  Contractors that were regular doods (played on the softball teams, hung out for a few beers, and did a good job) that could hang, became friends with Pops.

About the only certain military personnel had a problem with was paycheck envy.

[Frank Rossi]

Rev et al:

Just curious......since I work with some gov't instittions.

How are civilians viewed by the people that are actually in the military, i.e. are they looked down on?

A friend of mine who was a Petty Officer 3rd Class at the Groton Submarine Base used to tell me that civilians are treated pretty much equally, maybe with a slight bias in the direction about which you're asking.  My guess is that as you go higher into active duty military positions, there is a little more disdain toward civilians on your base -- but it's also countered by the respect quotient each officer is taught.  As long as the civilians gave my friend some level of respect, he was always fine with them as equals there.

[Pat Coleman]

I've never seen vote totals released, not even to me off the record, since we started tracking in 1999.

And Union hasn't had a candidate during that time.  I was told that this was in 1989, before you and I were involved in all this. 

And before a Gagliardi Trophy existed, then. It started in 1993.

[JT]

JT just finished his pre-Xmas jaunt to Victoriassecret.com to pick up some items for his better half.  One has to wonder who the gifts are really for, they are certainly gifts that keep on giving. 

[Frank Rossi]

I've never seen vote totals released, not even to me off the record, since we started tracking in 1999.

And Union hasn't had a candidate during that time.  I was told that this was in 1989, before you and I were involved in all this. 

And before a Gagliardi Trophy existed, then. It started in 1993.

This might explain the problem then -- was there a "Player of the Year" prior to 1993?

[Frank Rossi]

JT just finished his pre-Xmas jaunt to Victoriassecret.com to pick up some items for his better half.  One has to wonder who the gifts are really for, they are certainly gifts that keep on giving. 

At a younger age, my sister and I (she's 14 years older than me) went post-Christmas shopping/returning.  I was at another store, and she needed to return something at V Secret.  I finished my stuff and went to find her there -- mind you, I was about 17 or 18 at the time.  So I go in, and my sister is saying to the sales girl, "Yes, my husband got me these bras -- they're a size too big.  I guess he had high hopes."  Suddenly the sales girl looks at me, as if I were the husband.  I turned every shade of Christmas red and just blurted out, "I'm not her husband."  She didn't look like she believed me.

12 years of counseling later, I'm all good...

[Dr. xGSC]

JT just finished his pre-Xmas jaunt to Victoriassecret.com to pick up some items for his better half.  One has to wonder who the gifts are really for, they are certainly gifts that keep on giving. 

No problem with Mrs. Doc going to VS, but when the 17 year old daughter does, well that's another story that I don't want published, read, spoken, etc.

[Dr. xGSC]

Beware of lighting matches to conceal your excreted gas especially on an airplane.

http://www.comcast.net/news/strange/index.jsp?cat=STRANGE&fn=/2006/12/06/535499.html&cvqh=itn_flatulence

[PBR...]

pbr suggests chugging a jug of gas-x if need be.....last thing pbr needs to hear on a plane is a repeat of the scene around the campfire in the movie blazing saddles...