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[Rolevio]

my sources in Schenectady have fowarded me 2 important items lately... 1 good and 1 bad.

The good news
The Ruck was named best college bar in the capital district by metroland.

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That's absolutely pathetic...seriously. That's a complete testimony as to the poor social climate that exsists in the Capital District. Yeah...let's throw the Ruck up against some college bars in Knoxville, Tallahassee, Columbus, Austin, etc. RT is still laughing at that poll........

RT had no illusions as to the quality of the college bar scene when he did his time in Troy. What's a shocker is that a bar in troy serving about 6000 students between RPI and Russell Sage got the nod over the bars in Albany that services 25,000 SUNY kids.

Rolevio has to agree that the social climate in the capital district is rather poor, however he's been to a few of the more famous college bars and thought they were absolutely awful. Most notably the Dixie Chicken.  He loves Austin, but not so much for any one or two bars but for how many and the variety of bars that are there.



Re: Hooters.  Rolevio heard something that Hooters was closing most of their Northeast Restaurants including Boston.  Rolevio hasn't seen any confirmation of that though.

[Regulator]

my sources in Schenectady have fowarded me 2 important items lately... 1 good and 1 bad.

The good news
The Ruck was named best college bar in the capital district by metroland.

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That's absolutely pathetic...seriously. That's a complete testimony as to the poor social climate that exsists in the Capital District. Yeah...let's throw the Ruck up against some college bars in Knoxville, Tallahassee, Columbus, Austin, etc. RT is still laughing at that poll........

RT had no illusions as to the quality of the college bar scene when he did his time in Troy. What's a shocker is that a bar in troy serving about 6000 students between RPI and Russell Sage got the nod over the bars in Albany that services 25,000 SUNY kids.

I agree RT, not that the place isn't fun, but it holds freaking 200 people....on a GOOD night!

The funniest thing was junior year at all sports.  Kids from Sienna, SUNY and all over the area used to come by the van taxi full to get into the biggest dump in town.  If allsports were ever named best college bar, then Reg will go back to Troy, buy it and live in the aptartment above the joint and become a FT bouncer.

[Tags]

Tags needs to enlist the help of LLP,Inc as soon as possible.

Tags has been offered a new position with a different company. All is well until the new company says they need an answer by end of day today. Tags picks up his sh*t & leaves the office, e-mailing his boss after the fact telling him that Tags needs a little time to think about upcoming decision (boss knew about verbal offer, not written, so not a big shock).
Tags checks his e-mails a minute ago, and receives an angry e-mail from said boss, stating he did not appreciate Tags taking off after lunch.


... Should Tags really care at this point? Boss has been good to Tags, and Tags likes & respects him, but obviously needed to make a decision & the office isn't the place to think clearly.

Advice either way?

[JQV]

Tags needs to enlist the help of LLP,Inc as soon as possible.

Tags has been offered a new position with a different company. All is well until the new company says they need an answer by end of day today. Tags picks up his sh*t & leaves the office, e-mailing his boss after the fact telling him that Tags needs a little time to think about upcoming decision (boss knew about verbal offer, not written, so not a big shock).
Tags checks his e-mails a minute ago, and receives an angry e-mail from said boss, stating he did not appreciate Tags taking off after lunch.


... Should Tags really care at this point? Boss has been good to Tags, and Tags likes & respects him, but obviously needed to make a decision & the office isn't the place to think clearly.

Advice either way?

Whatever response you decide on, do not make the response via email.  Call him so there is no written record.

[Regulator]

Tags,
See what happens when you procrastinate and jerk people around?  Now you've pissed off your boss and the other company.... I mean who actually tells you they need an answer by the end of the day unless you have been brushing them off for a while now?!?

Either take the job and let them know or get back to the office and let your boss know you are very happy where you are. (which is about the only way you may save a little face there.

If you want more advice, then you are going to have to be specific.

[Knightstalker]

Tags, KS would recommend maintaining a good relationship with current boss, it can only help down the road sometime when Tags needs a reference or some other favor.

How long ago did new company make offer?

If they made the offer a while ago and you haven't given a firm decision you need to.  If they just made the offer and are now demanding an immediate decision they may not be a desirable company to work for.

Will the new job allow you to work from home so you don't have to wear pants while working?

[Regulator]

Whatever you do, please do not use the phrase "That's how I roll" when speaking w/ current boss about leaving.

[Tags]

Understand value of not pissing boss off, definitely didn't mean to do that.

RE: brushing off new company

definitely haven't, only had written for a day now.

[Senor RedTackle]

Tags needs to enlist the help of LLP,Inc as soon as possible.

Tags has been offered a new position with a different company. All is well until the new company says they need an answer by end of day today. Tags picks up his sh*t & leaves the office, e-mailing his boss after the fact telling him that Tags needs a little time to think about upcoming decision (boss knew about verbal offer, not written, so not a big shock).
Tags checks his e-mails a minute ago, and receives an angry e-mail from said boss, stating he did not appreciate Tags taking off after lunch.


... Should Tags really care at this point? Boss has been good to Tags, and Tags likes & respects him, but obviously needed to make a decision & the office isn't the place to think clearly.

Advice either way?

Having done the corporate thing for 10+ years now, RT has become a student of protocol and an observer of the subtleties of maintaining good professional karma.

The part about emailing the current boss after the fact could've probably been handled better. The guy already probably has some element of stress over your potential departure b/c it's more work for him to backfill you...then you show what he may perceive to be insensitivity and lack of respect for him and the current job by bolting out and telling him after the fact. That's not the action of someone who is on-the-fence...that's more like someone who's one foot out the door. RT has learned that it's a small world..you never know when you may need to reach out to a former boss or lean on a former company for a contact or some help.

The "end of day" thing is a bush league tactic. They're trying to close you and pressure you into a decision on their terms. If they want you that bad, then tell them you'll give them your decision on Monday b/c you'd like the weekend to think it over and talk to your fiance. If this company is worth a damn, they'll have no problem with that. I'd be concerned over their used-care salesman tactics. This is your career, after all....why would you want to make a decision under duress when you can't even talk it through for a couple of days with your future wife.

If it was RT, the message would be "you'll have my decision on Mon" and then RT would make nice w/ current boss and thank him for his mentorship.

[Regulator]

RT- the used car tactic was the first post Reg was writing but I thought "there is no way a company would actually use that without being jerked around first"

Tags, what did you and FMTags decide when the verbal offer was issued?  How long has it been since they told you they wanted you?  Weeks or days?

[Regulator]

Tags, please get back to work ASAP.  We need you, Hell I need you, when all this is over I think we should get an apartment together

[JT]

Understand value of not pissing boss off, definitely didn't mean to do that.

RE: brushing off new company

definitely haven't, only had written for a day now.

1st always look out for #1.

Seems from your post that you aren't sure the grass is greener with the new company.  Don't burn bridges if you don't have to.  Loyalty to indviduals is good, but loyalty to companies is usually bad.  If you have a good gig now and this new thing isn't a significant step up in pay/promotion, you might want to stay.

If you like your boss but not real fond of the company then consider moving to the new company. But getting the offer today and told a decision must be made by close of business is bush league.  If this is how they operate then what would working for them be like.  If they can't give you the weekend to think about it.... JT would say pass. 24-48 hours is common courtesy and the full weekend if the offer comes on Thurs or Fri.

[Tags]

You guys are drilling me here - and probably deservedly so.

Agreed it could have been handled better on my end. FMTags was ok with whatever decision, as long as I was comfortable.

I've had written for the 48 hour window, so don't think it was too bush to be honest. Overall just a rushed decision to take a 1/2 day today, but feel it will blow over (hopefully... )

RE: loyalty to individual, not company

Feel the same way - Tag's boss is a great guy. But eh, need to make moves on my own.

Thanks all, figured you'd tell it like it is. Lesson learned - all will be well.

[JT]

RT- the used car tactic was the first post Reg was writing but I thought "there is no way a company would actually use that without being jerked around first"

Not neccessarily true.  Some orgs think they are the greatest things since sliced bread and use hight pressure recruiting tactics to "weed out" those that are "serious" about a great opportunity.  Many times people like this are full of ****.

JT worked for a company once,"We only recruit the best of the best and then only the best of those were asked to stay."  It was complete BS.

[Regulator]

RT- the used car tactic was the first post Reg was writing but I thought "there is no way a company would actually use that without being jerked around first"

Not neccessarily true.  Some orgs think they are the greatest things since sliced bread and use hight pressure recruiting tactics to "weed out" those that are "serious" about a great opportunity.  Many times people like this are full of ****.

JT worked for a company once,"We only recruit the best of the best and then only the best of those were asked to stay."  It was complete BS.

What is this, the movie boiler room?  Tags is located in Rochester NY, not LA LA land