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[bman]

What I'm wondering if when he got to the part where he said, "what would you do as a parent if your kid got mocked because he threw bad....(Pause) or was FAT"...if he was directing that comment directly at her....

...she looks fat....

Maybe she should have had some chicken...

[Pat Coleman]

Would you be discussing it if the coach hadn't jumped down her throat? Seems unlikely. Just because a coach takes it as extreme doesn't mean it's so.

I got a call once from a coach complaining that I dared to suggest his team would struggle after losing its best players from a 4-6 team. The coach thought that was extreme. Not sure what he thought when he was fired 11 weeks later after going 1-9.

If I was a parent of a 12-year-old that got mocked like that, maybe. But when you're a grown-up you have to be able to take that. If you want to play on the big stage you have to deal with that.

[Frank Rossi]

Would you be discussing it if the coach hadn't jumped down her throat? Seems unlikely. Just because a coach takes it as extreme doesn't mean it's so.

I got a call once from a coach complaining that I dared to suggest his team would struggle after losing its best players from a 4-6 team. The coach thought that was extreme. Not sure what he thought when he was fired 11 weeks later after going 1-9.

If I was a parent of a 12-year-old that got mocked like that, maybe. But when you're a grown-up you have to be able to take that. If you want to play on the big stage you have to deal with that.

Would a Division I-A (I mean Bowl Subdivision Team) coach, who is used to daily press conferences, jump up and down about a news story that said his team struggled against Troy the previous week?  No.  I don't think comparing a D-3 coach who might not be used to press coverage to a "big-time" coach who is used to it is really an appropriate comparison, and that's why I think it forms a bit of my proof of this article being extreme (although, not the crux of my argument...just some further proof).

[Pat Coleman]

I think it's obvious that definitions of "extreme" differ and you would not have even heard of this story had Mike Gundy not gone all Denny Green.

[Pat Coleman]

... or Bobby Knight.

[Jonny Utah]

http://www.kotv.com/sports/local/story/?id=136583

You tell me.........responsible journalism?

Or providing content to those lowlifes that can't get enough of the Brangelina gossip style of sports reporting.  The kid has not performed...... fine..... but to call in question his ability to play through injuries or by insinuation that he's a mama's boy... please.  Leave it alone.. 

Go cover Brittany's parenting skills.

That article went WAY overboard.  In fact, it actually reads like the reporter is out to get him....seriously, she brought up the part about his mother feeding him chicken like 4 times.

I bet Jenni Carlson just got hammered, started writing and submitted that article late because it was due.  Then, she has the nerve to show up at the press conference!  OH MAN!


"I feed myself fried chicken all the time"

Just being questioned about an injury by someone that has never stepped on a football field would drive me nuts.

JU -- I agree with you on this to a point, but apparently, she must know what she's talking about or she wouldn't be a beat writer for a major college football team at a big newspaper.
Well, OK. I played in high school and college. If I questioned you about an injury, would that be a big deal? I don't think it matters if she played or not... if she knows her stuff, she's good. However, as I said previously, I don't think her column was good -- it was a lot of accusations thrown together.

budcrew....I think there are a HUGE number of journalists at all levels that dont understand the game of football, and dont understand the culture of the game, and many of them do have big jobs at big papers all over the country.  I see them all the time right here in Boston at papers like the globe and herald.

And she has the right to say whatever she wants.  But if anyone questions my injury and they are wrong, they will be called out.

[Jonny Utah]

If I was a parent of a 12-year-old that got mocked like that, maybe. But when you're a grown-up you have to be able to take that. If you want to play on the big stage you have to deal with that.

True.  But she should be able to deal with the same thing right back.  The coach does not have the forum like she does, so he kind of had to do that in order to send a message.  (well he didnt have to send one at all like that I guess)

[Frank Rossi]

I think it's obvious that definitions of "extreme" differ and you would not have even heard of this story had Mike Gundy not gone all Denny Green.

As I said earlier:

"Did the coach go overboard?  Yeah, probably -- but sometimes extremes require extreme responses in order to shed light as to why the other extreme was so ridiculous in the first place.  I think the coach was justified and that he may have unintentionally reminded journalists that the spotlight CAN be placed on the journalist since they, too, are public figures.  Well done."

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it, does it not make a sound, Guru?

[Pat Coleman]

If I was a parent of a 12-year-old that got mocked like that, maybe. But when you're a grown-up you have to be able to take that. If you want to play on the big stage you have to deal with that.

True.  But she should be able to deal with the same thing right back.  The coach does not have the forum like she does, so he kind of had to do that in order to send a message.  (well he didnt have to send one at all like that I guess)

Hmm -- methinks the coach had access to a much bigger forum. Sure seems like it.

[PBR...]

If I was a parent of a 12-year-old that got mocked like that, maybe. But when you're a grown-up you have to be able to take that. If you want to play on the big stage you have to deal with that.

True.  But she should be able to deal with the same thing right back.  The coach does not have the forum like she does, so he kind of had to do that in order to send a message.  (well he didnt have to send one at all like that I guess)

she did...she wrote a follow up column the following day that was on the front page callin out the coach...sorry didnt have time to look up the link but its there if you find the newspaper...imho she has a right to say what she wants but it almost seemed to be personal some of the hits against the qb and how does she know whether the kid didnt play to severity of the injuries? was she w/ the trainer and coach when going over the injury? did she get it from a third party (source) that wasnt present when the injuries were discussed?

[Regulator]

If I was a parent of a 12-year-old that got mocked like that, maybe. But when you're a grown-up you have to be able to take that. If you want to play on the big stage you have to deal with that.

True.  But she should be able to deal with the same thing right back.  The coach does not have the forum like she does, so he kind of had to do that in order to send a message.  (well he didnt have to send one at all like that I guess)

she did...she wrote a follow up column the following day that was on the front page callin out the coach...sorry didnt have time to look up the link but its there if you find the newspaper...imho she has a right to say what she wants but it almost seemed to be personal some of the hits against the qb and how does she know whether the kid didnt play to severity of the injuries? was she w/ the trainer and coach when going over the injury? did she get it from a third party (source) that wasnt present when the injuries were discussed?

What are the odds the QB hooked up with her or wrote on her face when she passed out or something.  That would put the icing on the cake!

[PBR...]

If I was a parent of a 12-year-old that got mocked like that, maybe. But when you're a grown-up you have to be able to take that. If you want to play on the big stage you have to deal with that.

True.  But she should be able to deal with the same thing right back.  The coach does not have the forum like she does, so he kind of had to do that in order to send a message.  (well he didnt have to send one at all like that I guess)

she did...she wrote a follow up column the following day that was on the front page callin out the coach...sorry didnt have time to look up the link but its there if you find the newspaper...imho she has a right to say what she wants but it almost seemed to be personal some of the hits against the qb and how does she know whether the kid didnt play to severity of the injuries? was she w/ the trainer and coach when going over the injury? did she get it from a third party (source) that wasnt present when the injuries were discussed?

What are the odds the QB hooked up with her or wrote on her face when she passed out or something.  That would put the icing on the cake!

BOL!!  +k  pbr's boss keeps looking over to see what he is LOL about....

[Frank Rossi]

Here's a classic from Navy Coach Paul Johnson in an exchange with a reporter...Sometimes, you get what you ask for in the media, I do believe:

Reporter: Can I ask you something without making you mad?

Johnson: Maybe. I don't know.

Reporter: I was talking to a Navy fan and he said he follows the coverage and that he noticed something and I'm just going to put it to you. He says that it seems like when Navy loses you blame the players, i.e., we can't execute fundamental plays, but that the success of the team the last four years has been attributed to brilliant coaching. How do you respond to that?


Johnson: Whatever he thinks. I don't go down to McDonald's and start second-guessing his job so he ought to leave me alone.

Reporter: But do you feel like it can't be both ways?

Johnson: You know what? I could care less. I'm old enough where I could give a crap what the fans think or what you think to put it in a nutshell.

Reporter: Wins and losses are evenly distributed as far as credit and blame, right?

Johnson: If you could ever find one time that I said we won the game because of brilliant strategy I will kiss your butt at city dock and give you two days to draw a crowd. Find it and bring it to me. Tell that guy that if he wants to talk to me I live at [address given but deleted for the transcript] I will be right there. Come ring my doorbell and I will be glad to talk to him.

[dewcrew88]

If I was a parent of a 12-year-old that got mocked like that, maybe. But when you're a grown-up you have to be able to take that. If you want to play on the big stage you have to deal with that.

True.  But she should be able to deal with the same thing right back.  The coach does not have the forum like she does, so he kind of had to do that in order to send a message.  (well he didnt have to send one at all like that I guess)

she did...she wrote a follow up column the following day that was on the front page callin out the coach...sorry didnt have time to look up the link but its there if you find the newspaper...imho she has a right to say what she wants but it almost seemed to be personal some of the hits against the qb and how does she know whether the kid didnt play to severity of the injuries? was she w/ the trainer and coach when going over the injury? did she get it from a third party (source) that wasnt present when the injuries were discussed?

What are the odds the QB hooked up with her or wrote on her face when she passed out or something.  That would put the icing on the cake!

Funny, but very wrong. 

[stimulator]

That doesn't tell me you read the story -- just that you watched TV coverage.

Frank -- thanks for actually reading the story you're commenting on. That's all I ask.

Pat I thought I did reference that initially I had not read the article... and as you suggested that maybe was unfair.  I however did read the post and posted the link upon your suggestion.

I think I was agitated that while reporters and writers have to do their jobs, there is way too much emphasizing the negative and certainly some of the off-field content to non-professionals.  These kids are trying to excel academically, athletically, grow up and are under enough pressure to perform from all angles w/o stuff that they, their parents, friends and relatives have to endure from someone looking for the story


If they are not performing athletically that is fair game.. they decided to put themselves out there on the stage and compete... but the other stuff is/should be out of bounds.