FB: Liberty League

[Frank Rossi]

All JT knows is that when Rutgers took care of business last night was that JT is gonna get a fat payday for his West Virginia tickets.  Its Rowan's homecoming, so JT plans to be in the Boro.

And by "fat payday," JT, you of course mean FACE VALUE, right?!  (Just play along -- the authorities may be watching.)

[Frank Rossi]

JU my point was several people stated what an impressive resume usf had beating auburn and wvu and my response was into there question. only florida is a decent team out of the teams played by auburn and wvu combined. hence my point that polls until at least mid oct are useless as some teams pack their schedules w/ cupcakes and look like world beaters but havent really beaten a good team yet. whereas other teams play tough ooc schedules and may not be nearly as bad as some think. and pbr agrees osu is not the true #1 school imho...they have played no one yet their schedule starts next week. to pbr lsu/usc/florida are the best teams out there right now

This gets me to thinking about something I saw in "dew"crew's Around the Region (East) report this week:

"RPI is 5-0 overall and 3-0 in conference after a bye in Week 7, but they have a last-second victory over Hobart to their credit, while Union has only played the middle and bottom of the conference to date."

Ok, wait a minute.  It's an eight-team league.  Middle would be #4 and #5 in the LL.  Bottom would be #6, #7 and #8.  RPI and Union are tied for #1.  RPI has not played Union.  Union has played four of the #4-#8 teams (assuming we call one-loss Rochester #4 because they have one fewer win than Hobart).  RPI has played two of the #4-#8 teams.  The only real difference:  RPI played Hobart. 

Next problem:  RPI and Union have both given those #4-#8 teams at least one or maybe two losses.  It stands to reason that Union has played nothing but middle- and bottom-of-the-pack teams BECAUSE THEY GOT THERE BY LOSSES TO THE TOP PACK TEAMS.  This is exactly why, to their credit (although I hate the new SoS), the NCAA removes the win or loss in the OWP computation between the team in question and each of their opponents.  You're penalizing a team for winning when you make a statement like this.

My point here is that dissing a team for playing seemingly poor in-league teams is somewhat unreasonable.  All you need to do is accentuate that RPI has already played #3 Hobart.  There's no need to try to ding the resume of a team in an eight-team league when you're comparing only two teams from the same conference and their in-conference opponents midway through the season. 

[union89]

I like USF, they beat West Virginia 2 years in a row, and Auburn this year. Auburn has some key wins (Fla) and losses (Miss St) but is ranked somewhere in the teens.  USF has a good QB and a great defense.  Obvioulsy their undefeated record is what has them at #2, and if they lose a game they will plummet, but for here and now I like their chances to run the table and hold up to any team they would face in a BCS bowl.

Not really going to matter after tomorrow night......Rutgers rolls over USF in Piscataway on Thursday Night Football....

dont see that happening usf is very good and rutgers is overrated...usf has waaaaaay too much speed...havent ya heard...blazing

PBR....you giving us a little John Kerry 'flip-flop' here??  Sounds like you were on the USF bandwagon pre-game and then bashing the pollsters after Rutgers' victory....response??

[PBR...]

not at all u89....pbr still thinks usf wins the majority of the games if they played rutgers this year just looking at that game and those 2 teams bug give schiano credit he played to win usf was in trouble when rutgers gave them countless turnovers and didnt capitalize...poll wise no way pbr thought usf was the #2 team in the nation just like pbr doesnt think osu is the #1 team in the nation.....and pbr is a big ten fan.

[res ipsa loquitur]

It seems like the best team usually wins in the playoff format in D3.  Can't we (please) have some form of playoff in DI?  If the NCAA is worried about losing bowl game revenue, we'll just call it "The Chase" or something similar, and all the Southern States will be ok.

I am sick of the polls.  Get us a playoff already.

[Ralph Turner]

It seems like the best team usually wins in the playoff format in D3.  Can't we (please) have some form of playoff in DI?  If the NCAA is worried about losing bowl game revenue, we'll just call it "The Chase" or something similar, and all the Southern States will be ok.

I am sick of the polls.  Get us a playoff already.

Or the FedEx Cup, if your historic northern golf venues are feeling the pressure of obsolescence and need to re-define themselves.   

[PBR...]

res there is a columnist (pbr cant remember his name off hand) that has a format that the bowls could stay intact and everyone would get revenue and the championship game would be on a rotating basis this guy really thought things out and havent found anyone who can dispute it would work...if pbr has time he will paste a link for it but its definetly doable... the problem lies in that the bowl coalition lobbyists are extremely strong and terrified they will lose revenue/tv time/power if there is a playoff in DI....

[union89]

not at all u89....pbr still thinks usf wins the majority of the games if they played rutgers this year just looking at that game and those 2 teams bug give schiano credit he played to win usf was in trouble when rutgers gave them countless turnovers and didnt capitalize...poll wise no way pbr thought usf was the #2 team in the nation just like pbr doesnt think osu is the #1 team in the nation.....and pbr is a big ten fan.

PBR.....U89 has grown to think you're a good dude, but not sure I'm buyin' what your sellin' here.....

[Frank Rossi]

Now here's a random post...

Anyone know if using a grill pan to cook some marinated tilapia filets is a wise idea?  If so, any idea on timing?

[redswarm81]

Now here's a random post...

. . . grill pan . . . marinated tilapia filets . . . timing?

No idea.  I was going to grill some great looking boneless NY strips last night, but was too tired by the time I got home from work and finished putting out domestic "brush fires."  Now it's 5 a.m., can't sleep, so I'm posting a tangent from the random post.

[redswarm81]

It seems like the best team usually wins in the playoff format in D3.  . . .

I am sick of the [D1] polls.  Get us a playoff already.

My D1 Playoff crystal ball looks different than yours, apparently.  My crystal ball sees things like a Stanford-equivalent beating USC in the first round, and everyone is disappointed because that prevents the #1 tournament seed from playing the #2 tournament seed.

The immutable law of college football begins with "on any given Saturday."

[redswarm81]

This gets me to thinking . . .

"RPI is 5-0 overall and 3-0 in conference after a bye in Week 7, but they have a last-second victory over Hobart to their credit, while Union has only played the middle and bottom of the conference to date."

RPI and Union have both given those [middle and bottom] teams at least one or maybe two losses.  It stands to reason that Union has played nothing but middle-and bottom-of-the-pack teams BECAUSE THEY GOT THERE BY LOSSES TO THE TOP PACK TEAMS.  This is exactly why, to their credit (although I hate the new SoS),¹ the NCAA removes the win or loss in the OWP computation between the team in question and each of their opponents.  You're penalizing a team for winning when you make a statement like this.

My point here is that dissing a team for playing seemingly poor in-league teams is somewhat unreasonable.  All you need to do is accentuate that RPI has already played #3 Hobart.  There's no need to try to ding the resume of a team in an eight-team league when you're comparing only two teams from the same conference and their in-conference opponents midway through the season. 

Superb point, Frank.  It seems to me that a closely related principle to what you're saying is that wins (or winning percentage) is a more important stat than SoS.  Let's face it--ultimately the Ws and Ls are the only things that a team has direct control over during any season, so it seems to me that # of Wins/Win %age deserves the highest priority when evaluating teams' relative strength.

¹ Did you prefer the old QoW index?  That formula was totally weird.  It was so unique, so unrelated to anything, I didn't know whether to praise it or condemn it.

[Regulator]

Now here's a random post...

Anyone know if using a grill pan to cook some marinated tilapia filets is a wise idea?  If so, any idea on timing?

14-18 minutes (until it flakes)
The Reg household usually bakes our tortilla crusted tilapia at 400* for 16 minutes

[SJFF82]

Now here's a random post...

Anyone know if using a grill pan to cook some marinated tilapia filets is a wise idea?  If so, any idea on timing?

maybe not so random after all with all the response...82 just pulled the same feat this past week.   I brushed my tilapia (fresh, not farm-raised) with a little mixture of organic butter and extra virgin olive oil, then seasoned it.  Used a grill pan covered with foil.  Grill on low for around 15-20 min.  The timing will definately vary depending upon your grill quality, etc...  Just keep an eye on them...82 suggests that it is at least a 2-beer project...Mrs. 82 stays inside and cooks the sides while 82 sneaks in these two beers.

Lift them up a bit every few minutes too insure they do not stick to the foil.   They come out great.

[PBR...]

not at all u89....pbr still thinks usf wins the majority of the games if they played rutgers this year just looking at that game and those 2 teams bug give schiano credit he played to win usf was in trouble when rutgers gave them countless turnovers and didnt capitalize...poll wise no way pbr thought usf was the #2 team in the nation just like pbr doesnt think osu is the #1 team in the nation.....and pbr is a big ten fan.

PBR.....U89 has grown to think you're a good dude, but not sure I'm buyin' what your sellin' here.....

come on u89....pbr has been told he could sell ice to the eskimo's.... psu off. is  coming around and psu will knock off osu next week in happy valley you heard it here first