FB: Liberty League

[Knightstalker]

Gotcha, I thought you were listing teams that could throw a monkey wrench into others teams seasons.  This is the first time in 15 years that I can remember Rowan playing the spoiler in football.

[Frank Rossi]

Frank, dude, you need to breathe just a bit. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.

BTW, QOWI for Plymouth State, 10.857
QOWI for RPI, 10.000

Just to point out how big a gap that is, Franklin did not get in last year at 10.400. The next two Pool C contenders were 10.222 and 10.200.

I prefer not to breathe while I compute, like Marie Osmond dancing on national TV.  RPI's QOWI will surpass Plymouth State's based on remaining opponents.  This will not happen with SoS, however. 

[Pat Coleman]

Not talking about your computing as much as your punditry.

[Frank Rossi]

Not talking about your computing as much as your punditry.

I don't have an outlet on which I'm considered a pundit, however.

In the meantime, the following schools have declared as of today for the ECAC Football Championships:

Curry College - NEFC
Plymouth State University - NEFC
Western Connecticut State University - NJAC
Coast Guard Academy - NEFC
St. John Fisher College - Empire 8

(EDIT:  Reminder to all schools -- DECLARATION DEADLINE for ECAC Football Championships is Thursday, Nov. 1 at 5pm EDT.)

[Knightstalker]

KS is watching Dancing with the Stars with the Stalkerette and J Lo just sang and she was wearing a long poncho to cover what appeared to be cottage cheese.

[Frank Rossi]

KS is watching Dancing with the Stars with the Stalkerette and J Lo just sang and she was wearing a long poncho to cover what appeared to be cottage cheese.

She's preggers, KS.  But, man, did her eyes look glazed over.  She needs to end her tour like pronto...It's SCIENCE.

[redswarm81]

Plymouth State at #35 and RPI #202 on the newest SoS Index still gives me no faith in it...at all.

Let not your hearts be troubled.

Please, everyone, remain calm.  There is no reason to be overly concerned about SoS "rankings."  SoS is inappropriate for, and is clearly not intended to be used as a primary ranking criterion.  Its only appropriate use is for comparison of teams that have nearly identical records.  It's a tiebreaker of sorts, not a primary measure of team strength.

SoS also is meaningless mid-season, except for producing in-season rankings, and those are deceptive as well.  The SoS index for any team fluctuates from game to game.  Look at undefeated Alfred, for instance, currently with a sub-.500 OWP.  Their final three games are against teams currently sporting winning percentages of .714, .714, and .875.  Even if Alfred loses all three games, their SoS will look great after playing those teams.  Thus, you'll have the situation where mid-season, using SoS analysis, you could knock Alfred for having run up an undefeated record against mediocre teams.  By the end of the season, you would properly overlook a 7 - 3 Alfred as a playoff contender, but they could legitimately claim that SoS analysis says that they deserve a look.

Winning percentage first, then look at the other stuff.

The specific concerns that you have about Plymouth State, Frank--while reasonable, will in all likelihood be overcome by other criteria, such as wins v. ranked opponents.

Ultimately, it's possible that the NEFC is sufficiently isolated from the rest of the East Region that their winner's and runner up's numbers look good enough to seed them higher than you would like--but on what basis are you going to enforce a "no high seed" rule against NEFC teams?

• Reputation?
• History?
• Uniform color?
• Offensiveness of team nickname?

I get nervous when subjective criteria are used--that's why I can no longer watch figure skating, even though my first great crush was on a figure skater.

9 and 10 game seasons don't permit sufficient interconference play to make for a reliable interconference evaluation.  As Walter Cronkite would say, "that's the way it is."

[mattvsmith]

Plymouth State at #35 and RPI #202 on the newest SoS Index still gives me no faith in it...at all.

Putting PS up at 35 is problematic, but 202 for RPI is realistic.  Look at half of RPI's schedule: Utica, Endicott, SusQ, and Merchant Marine.  This is not to say that PS's schedule is tough (since they share a couple rivals) but seriously, RPI should have scheduled MUCH tougher out-of-conference games.

Hobart:  Dickinson has proven to be a real contender this year (6-1), Carnagie-Mellon was supposed to be a tough team and Bart was disfavored (although C-M has since proven they were overhyped), RPI is a genuinely good, tough team.  So in the first three weeks, Hobart played three tough games while RPI will only face three tough teams the whole season (Hobart, Union and maybe Rochester).  LAME!  Hobart has three more tough games: Alfred, Union and maybe Rochester.  Six tough matchups versus RPI's three.  Union: four tough match-ups versus RPI's three.

The Rev is no Union fan, but compare who Union (and Bart) faced outside the LL versus who RPI faced outside LL and we see what a sick joke RPI's schedule is.  Let's just say that if RPI wore a bra, it's only genuine titty would be Hobart and the rest would be wads of toilet paper.  If RPI beats Union, it has two real B-cups, and a two rolls of Charmin to make them look like E-cups.

As The Rev said before, RPI is a genuinely good, tough team.  Why disgrace yourselves with a padded bra of a schedule?  The Rev respects RPI, but would respect RPI more if out-of-conference opponents were of the Alfred Saxons caliber instead of Norwich Purple Tornado caliber.

All that said, SoS seems to have diddle effect on anything except the number of posts decrying the SoS system.

[lewdogg11]

Plymouth State at #35 and RPI #202 on the newest SoS Index still gives me no faith in it...at all.

Putting PS up at 35 is problematic, but 202 for RPI is realistic.  Look at half of RPI's schedule: Utica, Endicott, SusQ, and Merchant Marine.  This is not to say that PS's schedule is tough (since they share a couple rivals) but seriously, RPI should have scheduled MUCH tougher out-of-conference games.

Hobart:  Dickinson has proven to be a real contender this year (6-1), Carnagie-Mellon was supposed to be a tough team and Bart was disfavored (although C-M has since proven they were overhyped), RPI is a genuinely good, tough team.  So in the first three weeks, Hobart played three tough games while RPI will only face three tough teams the whole season (Hobart, Union and maybe Rochester).  LAME!  Hobart has three more tough games: Alfred, Union and maybe Rochester.  Six tough matchups versus RPI's three.  Union: four tough match-ups versus RPI's three.

The Rev is no Union fan, but compare who Union (and Bart) faced outside the LL versus who RPI faced outside LL and we see what a sick joke RPI's schedule is.  Let's just say that if RPI wore a bra, it's only genuine titty would be Hobart and the rest would be wads of toilet paper.  If RPI beats Union, it has two real B-cups, and a two rolls of Charmin to make them look like E-cups.

As The Rev said before, RPI is a genuinely good, tough team.  Why disgrace yourselves with a padded bra of a schedule?  The Rev respects RPI, but would respect RPI more if out-of-conference opponents were of the Alfred Saxons caliber instead of Norwich Purple Tornado caliber.

All that said, SoS seems to have diddle effect on anything except the number of posts decrying the SoS system.

Huge fan of the padded bra anology.  +K from LD11.  LD11 was actually picturing one pumpkin orange boobe, and one maroon(i mean garnet) boob, all stuffed in there with a bunch of TP.  Amazing stuff.


FYI - LD leaves for Vegas tomorrow....Hey-ohhhhhh

[union89]

Plymouth State at #35 and RPI #202 on the newest SoS Index still gives me no faith in it...at all.

Putting PS up at 35 is problematic, but 202 for RPI is realistic.  Look at half of RPI's schedule: Utica, Endicott, SusQ, and Merchant Marine.  This is not to say that PS's schedule is tough (since they share a couple rivals) but seriously, RPI should have scheduled MUCH tougher out-of-conference games.

Hobart:  Dickinson has proven to be a real contender this year (6-1), Carnagie-Mellon was supposed to be a tough team and Bart was disfavored (although C-M has since proven they were overhyped), RPI is a genuinely good, tough team.  So in the first three weeks, Hobart played three tough games while RPI will only face three tough teams the whole season (Hobart, Union and maybe Rochester).  LAME!  Hobart has three more tough games: Alfred, Union and maybe Rochester.  Six tough matchups versus RPI's three.  Union: four tough match-ups versus RPI's three.

The Rev is no Union fan, but compare who Union (and Bart) faced outside the LL versus who RPI faced outside LL and we see what a sick joke RPI's schedule is.  Let's just say that if RPI wore a bra, it's only genuine titty would be Hobart and the rest would be wads of toilet paper.  If RPI beats Union, it has two real B-cups, and a two rolls of Charmin to make them look like E-cups.

As The Rev said before, RPI is a genuinely good, tough team.  Why disgrace yourselves with a padded bra of a schedule?  The Rev respects RPI, but would respect RPI more if out-of-conference opponents were of the Alfred Saxons caliber instead of Norwich Purple Tornado caliber.

All that said, SoS seems to have diddle effect on anything except the number of posts decrying the SoS system.

Rev, don't mean to split hairs here, but if Hobart gets credit for six tough matchups, Union gets five.  U89 is sure it was an oversight, but if 'Bart gets credit for Rochchacha.....Union should as well..........

[JT]

Why doesn't KS ever see these girls on the subway?

The best part was the look of contempt from that chick in the glasses.

[Senor RedTackle]

Good lord, all these anacronysims is killing RT. What happened to "win and your in" type of anlaysis that your average fan with a day job, like RT, likes to employ so as to not add any more stress to RT's life? Frank...you have definitely taken this to a new and brain-frying level of analysis.


What about OPP as a criteria? Doesn't Naughty By Nature matter any more??

[Senor RedTackle]

Not talking about your computing as much as your punditry.

For those who like to know big words

(from Winkepedia)
A pundit is, in contemporary English, someone who offers mass-media opinion, analysis or commentary on a particular subject area, (most typically political analysis, the social sciences or sport), on which they are presumed to be knowledgeable. As the term has been increasingly applied to popular media personalities lacking special expertise, however, it can be used in a derogative manner. Pundit is also a slang term for politically biased people pretending to be neutral.

[Frank Rossi]

Not talking about your computing as much as your punditry.

For those who like to know big words

C'mon, RT, it was only six letters.  Must've been tough for you when you combined "Red" and "Tackle" into one word.  Wikipedia have an entry on that name?

[mattvsmith]

Plymouth State at #35 and RPI #202 on the newest SoS Index still gives me no faith in it...at all.

Putting PS up at 35 is problematic, but 202 for RPI is realistic.  Look at half of RPI's schedule: Utica, Endicott, SusQ, and Merchant Marine.  This is not to say that PS's schedule is tough (since they share a couple rivals) but seriously, RPI should have scheduled MUCH tougher out-of-conference games.

Hobart:  Dickinson has proven to be a real contender this year (6-1), Carnagie-Mellon was supposed to be a tough team and Bart was disfavored (although C-M has since proven they were overhyped), RPI is a genuinely good, tough team.  So in the first three weeks, Hobart played three tough games while RPI will only face three tough teams the whole season (Hobart, Union and maybe Rochester).  LAME!  Hobart has three more tough games: Alfred, Union and maybe Rochester.  Six tough matchups versus RPI's three.  Union: four tough match-ups versus RPI's three.

The Rev is no Union fan, but compare who Union (and Bart) faced outside the LL versus who RPI faced outside LL and we see what a sick joke RPI's schedule is.  Let's just say that if RPI wore a bra, it's only genuine titty would be Hobart and the rest would be wads of toilet paper.  If RPI beats Union, it has two real B-cups, and a two rolls of Charmin to make them look like E-cups.

As The Rev said before, RPI is a genuinely good, tough team.  Why disgrace yourselves with a padded bra of a schedule?  The Rev respects RPI, but would respect RPI more if out-of-conference opponents were of the Alfred Saxons caliber instead of Norwich Purple Tornado caliber.

All that said, SoS seems to have diddle effect on anything except the number of posts decrying the SoS system.

Rev, don't mean to split hairs here, but if Hobart gets credit for six tough matchups, Union gets five.  U89 is sure it was an oversight, but if 'Bart gets credit for Rochchacha.....Union should as well..........

You're right. Actually, I forgot to count Hobart as the fifth tough game for Union.    duh~~Wake up, Rev!