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[union89]

NCAA Regional Rankings are out...

1.  Alfred  7-0  7-0
2.  Curry  8-0  8-0
3.  Rensselaer  6-0  6-0
4.  St. John Fisher  7-1  7-1
5.  The College of New Jersey  6-1  6-1
6.  Albright  6-1  6-1
7.  Cortland State  5-1  6-1
8.  Union (New York)  4-2  4-2
9.  Hobart  5-2  5-2
10.  Delaware Valley  4-2  4-3

U89 thinks that EVERYONE must be drawn to one teams position in the rankings.

[AUKaz00]

NCAA Regional Rankings are out...

1.  Alfred  7-0  7-0
2.  Curry  8-0  8-0
3.  Rensselaer  6-0  6-0
4.  St. John Fisher  7-1  7-1
5.  The College of New Jersey  6-1  6-1
6.  Albright  6-1  6-1
7.  Cortland State  5-1  6-1
8.  Union (New York)  4-2  4-2
9.  Hobart  5-2  5-2
10.  Delaware Valley  4-2  4-3

U89 thinks that EVERYONE must be drawn to one teams position in the rankings.

Yeah, how is Curry behind Alfred when they've won one more game than the Saxons?

[union89]

NCAA Regional Rankings are out...

1.  Alfred  7-0  7-0
2.  Curry  8-0  8-0
3.  Rensselaer  6-0  6-0
4.  St. John Fisher  7-1  7-1
5.  The College of New Jersey  6-1  6-1
6.  Albright  6-1  6-1
7.  Cortland State  5-1  6-1
8.  Union (New York)  4-2  4-2
9.  Hobart  5-2  5-2
10.  Delaware Valley  4-2  4-3

U89 thinks that EVERYONE must be drawn to one teams position in the rankings.

Yeah, how is Curry behind Alfred when they've won one more game than the Saxons?

+1....good stuff

[gordonmann]

Yes, but also notice the complete absence of a second NEFC team.  This gives a pretty good hint that we don't need to worry about Plymouth State snagging an at-large bid.

Not that some of us were particularly worried about that anyway.

[Frank Rossi]

Yes, but also notice the complete absence of a second NEFC team.  This gives a pretty good hint that we don't need to worry about Plymouth State snagging an at-large bid.

Not that some of us were particularly worried about that anyway.

Disagree, Gordon.  Either Union or Hobart fall out in two weeks.  Possibly both based on the Union/RPI/Hobart wheel upcoming.  Not sure what happens if TCNJ beats Cortland.  And Delaware Valley is a tenuous 10th since the MAC has a similar LL wheel coming up.  Look ahead a bit here.

(EDIT:  In fact, look at the upcoming "ranked" matchups:

#1 Alfred vs. #9 Hobart
#8 Union vs. #9 Hobart
#3 RPI vs. #8 Union
#5 TCNJ vs. #7 Cortland
#1 Alfred vs. #4 SJF
#6 Albright vs. #10 Del. Val.

Math says that at least three, maybe four of these teams will not survive the final three weeks in these rankings.)

(EDIT #2:  Also note there are two members of the MAC Conference on the East Evaluation Committee -- probably explaining the Del. Val. existence at all in this set of rankings.)

[Knightstalker]

I was suprised that Del Val was there, I think Montclair should be ranked ahead of Del Val. 

[gordonmann]

Frank:

Maybe those teams drop out.  Maybe Widener (plays Del Val and Albright) and Montclair take their place. 

Even if it is Plymouth State who moves in -- and there's nothing to suggest they are next on the list -- you think a team that is ranked at best 11th in the East will rise up and take one of seven Pool C bids nationally?  You see that team coming from not ranked to one of the top seven Pool C teams in the country, propelled by wins over opponents whose record is 3-11?

[Pat Coleman]

(EDIT #2:  Also note there are two members of the MAC Conference on the East Evaluation Committee -- probably explaining the Del. Val. existence at all in this set of rankings.)

Every committee is like that -- perhaps the co-chairs don't vote? See two E8 people on the committee as well.

[Frank Rossi]

Frank:

Maybe those teams drop out.  Maybe Widener (plays Del Val and Albright) and Montclair take their place. 

Even if it is Plymouth State who moves in -- and there's nothing to suggest they are next on the list -- you think a team that is ranked at best 11th in the East will rise up and take one of seven Pool C bids nationally?  You see that team coming from not ranked to one of the top seven Pool C teams in the country, propelled by wins over opponents whose record is 3-11?

No matter what, their SoS (OWP) is going to remain pretty strong.  If you go through all the primary criteria, comparing two-loss teams or teams who will likely have two losses by the end of the season, the only one that PSU loses in is record vs. ranked opponents -- although that's not even true in all cases.  It's looking likely that there will be two or three two-loss teams coming in through Pool C, and the stage is being set for the question "why not" PSU if they only lost to the #2 (or even the #1) team in the region?  I don't agree with this -- but it's becoming problematic to a conundrum level because of the SoS business.

[Frank Rossi]

(EDIT #2:  Also note there are two members of the MAC Conference on the East Evaluation Committee -- probably explaining the Del. Val. existence at all in this set of rankings.)

Every committee is like that -- perhaps the co-chairs don't vote? See two E8 people on the committee as well.

I'm aware -- I read the entire list.  I was pointing out why Del. Val., which is a suspect #10 at best, was probably included in the list.

[Pat Coleman]

It's cool that you're aware, but not mentioning it meant your post was rather misleading.

[Jonny Utah]

Yes, but also notice the complete absence of a second NEFC team.  This gives a pretty good hint that we don't need to worry about Plymouth State snagging an at-large bid.

Not that some of us were particularly worried about that anyway.

Disagree, Gordon.  Either Union or Hobart fall out in two weeks.  Possibly both based on the Union/RPI/Hobart wheel upcoming.  Not sure what happens if TCNJ beats Cortland.  And Delaware Valley is a tenuous 10th since the MAC has a similar LL wheel coming up.  Look ahead a bit here.

(EDIT:  In fact, look at the upcoming "ranked" matchups:

#1 Alfred vs. #9 Hobart
#8 Union vs. #9 Hobart
#3 RPI vs. #8 Union
#5 TCNJ vs. #7 Cortland
#1 Alfred vs. #4 SJF
#6 Albright vs. #10 Del. Val.

Math says that at least three, maybe four of these teams will not survive the final three weeks in these rankings.)

(EDIT #2:  Also note there are two members of the MAC Conference on the East Evaluation Committee -- probably explaining the Del. Val. existence at all in this set of rankings.)

Yea but then again, a team like Ithaca could still be there if Union is already there, and if they end up dropping out like you say.

ie: Union is already ahead of them with 2 loses, Ithaca probably would be too......

[Senor RedTackle]

It's cool that you're aware, but not mentioning it meant your post was rather misleading.

ZING!!!

Reminds RT of 1993 when RPI finished 7-2 and was vying for an NCAA bid in a 16 team field against some other 1 and 2 loss teams.

RT apologizes if his facts aren't straight (and Pat will shoot RT down if he's not), the then-AD at RPI, Bob Doucette, was on the NCAA committee and didn't vote in favor of RPI for a slot...or at least that's the skinny RT heard.

[Frank Rossi]

It's cool that you're aware, but not mentioning it meant your post was rather misleading.

It would have actually bolstered my point since there are two E8 teams rather highly ranked, too.  However, it's inconclsuive based on common sense if that would've affected the SJF relative positioning.

[Frank Rossi]

It's cool that you're aware, but not mentioning it meant your post was rather misleading.

ZING!!!

Reminds RT of 1993 when RPI finished 7-2 and was vying for an NCAA bid in a 16 team field against some other 1 and 2 loss teams.

RT apologizes if his facts aren't straight (and Pat will shoot RT down if he's not), the then-AD at RPI, Bob Doucette, was on the NCAA committee and didn't vote in favor of RPI for a slot...or at least that's the skinny RT heard.

That's impossible, RT, since a committee member whose school is on the "board" for discussion is not allowed to vote or participate after a certain point in the discussion about said school.  Sounds like folklore to me.