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['gro]

Superman is fine with the crack whores, as long as they aren't snorting crack off of their baby's stomach

Schenectady is home to some high class CW's... the CW in this case is the daughter of a partner in Sackatoga Stables, which owns Kentucky Derby winner Funny Cide.

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[theoriginalupstate]

Can someone explain to RT how Alfred is ranked ahead of RPI in the D3.com top 25 poll when RPI is undefeated and AU's only loss is to a team RPI beat (Hobart)?? The upstate NY poll for this week seems to think RPI should be ranked higher.

RT truly believes that the d3football.com poll rarely gives RPI the respect they. It's been that way for several years as far as RT can remember. That's ok, we like being under the radar.....

(waiting for Frank's analysis here....critical of RT's question)

Not that I disagree with you but AU dropped 8 spots and lost over 140 votes while RPI jumped up a spot and grabed 34 extra votes despite needing OT to beat a team that was 1-3 vs their conference in WPI. 

AU took a huge hit in the rankings and if RPI put up a monkey stomp vs a poor in conference team they probably would of jumped AU.

It will even itself out come playoff time....

[Frank Rossi]

Can someone explain to RT how Alfred is ranked ahead of RPI in the D3.com top 25 poll when RPI is undefeated and AU's only loss is to a team RPI beat (Hobart)?? The upstate NY poll for this week seems to think RPI should be ranked higher.

RT truly believes that the d3football.com poll rarely gives RPI the respect they. It's been that way for several years as far as RT can remember. That's ok, we like being under the radar.....

(waiting for Frank's analysis here....critical of RT's question)

Gimme an S!

Gimme an O!

Gimme an S!

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What do we have, RT?!

[RJ]

Time to Simplify the LL Playoff Picture
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First, let's deal with the obvious:  Merchant Marine (0-8, 0-5 LL), Susquehanna (1-7, 0-5 LL) and St. Lawrence (2-5, 1-4 LL) are all eliminated from any NCAA or ECAC playoff contention.  WPI (4-4, 1-4 LL) is also eliminated from NCAA playoff contention, but would be ECAC-eligible with one additional win.  Yet, it's unlikely that a team with four losses and a 0.600 overall record could receive a bid this year, assuming WPI were to win out its remaining schedule.

That leaves RPI (7-0, 5-0 LL), Union (5-2, 5-0 LL), Hobart (6-2, 4-1 LL) and Rochester (5-3, 4-1 LL).  All four teams are still in contention for Pool A and ECAC playoff slots.  However, only RPI and Hobart are eligible for Pool C slots.

Let's make things simple:  the four teams all play inclusively in the final two weeks (this weekend, Hobart at Union and Rochester at RPI -- next weekend, Hobart at Rochester and RPI at Union).  As somebody stated earlier, there are 16 possible combinations of wins and losses, but it isn't that difficult quite yet.

Four scenarios include Union and RPI both winning this week.  If this happens, then Rochester and Hobart would be excluded from Pool A contention and Hobart would be excluded from Pool C contention.  RPI and Union's final game would determine the Pool A winner.

Four other scenarios include Union winning and RPI losing this week.  If this happens, then, again, Rochester and Hobart would be excluded from Pool A contention and Hobart would be excluded from Pool C contention.  RPI and Union's final game would again determine the Pool A winner, as RPI would win in a three-way tie with one loss or Union would win outright at 7-0 in the LL.

That takes care of eight scenarios -- If Union wins this weekend, then the RPI-Union game will determine the LL -- and those will be the only teams eligible for NCAA Playoff contention.

Where it gets a bit more difficult is when we look at the final eight scenarios.  First, four scenarios are controlled by Union losing and RPI winning this weekend.  If this happens, then, again, Hobart and Rochester are eliminated from Pool A contention, as RPI could do no worse than finish in a three-way, one-loss tie or any two-way tie that it controls.  The difference is that the RPI-Union game will not directly determine the LL Pool A slot -- RPI would still win if it loses and ends up in a three-way tie.  In other words, if Union loses and RPI wins this weekend, then if Hobart beats Rochester in the final weekend, then RPI is guaranteed the Pool A slot regardless of result in the RPI-Union game.  If Rochester were to beat Hobart, then the RPI-Union game would determine the LL Championship.  So, Union needs to root for Rochester to beat Hobart in the final week if Union loses to Hobart this week to have any control over its own destiny.

The messiest scenarios fall out if Union and RPI both lose this weekend.  This would make all teams 5-1 in the LL going into the final weekend.  This would guarantee that only two teams would end up in a tie after the final week.  So, if RPI and Union both lose this weekend, Rochester would win the LL only by beating Hobart and RPI beating Union (Rochester would win the tiebreaker against RPI in this scenario).  Hobart would win the LL only by beating Rochester and Union beating RPI.  These are the ONLY two scenarios inside which neither RPI nor Union would win the LL.

To summarize, here are the 16 scenarios:

Union and RPI win this weekend:  Union-RPI game determines Pool A, and Hobart out of Pool C consideration

Union wins, RPI loses this weekend:  Union-RPI game determines Pool A, and Hobart out of Pool C consideration

Union loses, RPI wins this weekend:  Union-RPI game determines Pool A and Hobart is out of Pool C consideration ONLY if Rochester beats Hobart.  Otherwise, RPI wins Pool A slot and Hobart remains in Pool C consideration

Union and RPI lose this weekend:  Final weekend's games determine winner whereby the following results will have the listed ramifications:  
(1) Union and Hobart win -- Hobart wins Pool A, RPI a questionable Pool C candidate;

(2) Union and Rochester win -- Union wins Pool A, Hobart out of Pool C contention;

(3) RPI and Hobart win -- RPI wins Pool A, Hobart in Pool C consideration; or

(4) RPI and Rochester win -- Rochester wins Pool A, Hobart out of Pool C consideration and RPI a questionable Pool C candidate.

Finally, use the three-loss rule for the cutoff when considering ECAC Playoff contention.  It is unlikely that a four-loss team will be selected for these games.  However, at least one three-loss team will be selected from the NEFC, LL, E8 or NJAC teams in Upstate New York and New England that miss the NCAA playoffs.

(EDIT:  Pool A chances for each team, assuming each remaining game to be a 50/50 chance for either team, are:

RPI - 50%, Union - 37.5%, Hobart - 6.25% and Rochester - 6.25%)

(EDIT 2:  RPI with one loss but losing the LL Pool A slot is a virtual lock for a Pool C bid.  However, a 7-2 RPI would be in deep trouble currently, based on Strength of Schedule.  Interestingly, there is no scenario whereby RPI and Hobart both are in consideration for Pool C slots at two losses.  Thus, Hobart's best chance for a Pool C slot is if RPI beats Union.)

Thanks for the update ...  RJ

[Pat Coleman]

Upstate is right. RPI dropped on some people's ballots, no doubt because they struggled with WPI.

You picked a bad time to almost get upset by a .500 team. Good thing RPI has that last-second September home win against Hobart -- it's the only team they've faced to date with a winning record.

['gro]

Upstate is right. RPI dropped on some people's ballots, no doubt because they struggled with WPI.

You picked a bad time to almost get upset by a .500 team. Good thing RPI has that last-second September home win against Hobart -- it's the only team they've faced to date with a winning record.

That RPI-Hobart game was at the Boz... don't you ever check your own site? 

[Pat Coleman]

Oh, well, then, that's a huge difference.

[mattvsmith]

Upstate is right. RPI dropped on some people's ballots, no doubt because they struggled with WPI.

You picked a bad time to almost get upset by a .500 team. Good thing RPI has that last-second September home win against Hobart -- it's the only team they've faced to date with a winning record.

b-BLAM!  Was this the front or back side of your hand with which you have verbally bitchslapped RT, Guru?

RT, you can't complain about RPI's rank (#20 w/146 pts).  Look where Hobart and Union were ranked in prior years at this time.

Week 9 ranks:
YEAR      Union        points        Hobart    points
2006         20          183          14        276
2005         n/a          n/a          24         84
2004         n/a          n/a          n/a        24
2003         n/a          n/a          n/a       n/a        RPI ranked #25 with 81 points.

Note: by the end of the 2004 season in which Hobart went undefeated in the LL, and had only one regular season loss to F&M, Hobart was ranked #24.  So in week 9 you're bent about RPI being ranked 20th with an SoS we established is like a padded bra?  C'mon, RT, you know better than that!

['gro]

2003 RPI Engineers

@ Utica 17-6 W
vs. Hobart 25-43 L

one bad game, one terrible game, still won the east region.

[res ipsa loquitur]

Guess that means Bart will win the east.  Sweet!

['gro]

Guess that means Bart will win the east.  Sweet!

_{Not so fast my friend!}

RPI still finished with only one regular season loss (a thumping by Bart) that year... it was a surprise that they even made it in the playoffs ending the season like that.

Best of luck to Bart in the pool C race, but 2 losses pretty much dooms a season to ECACville.

[PBR...]

gro where u and reg been hiding all week/weekend? w/ all the RPI bashing pbr figured you and reg would be coming out like bruce lee and jackie chan and some fists of fury... LD we know is out in sin city getting bizness cards from the doods on the street corners and betting the patriots heavy

[Regulator]

gro where u and reg been hiding all week/weekend? w/ all the RPI bashing pbr figured you and reg would be coming out like bruce lee and jackie chan and some fists of fury... LD we know is out in sin city getting bizness cards from the doods on the street corners and betting the patriots heavy

Reg has been busy getting the new toy cleaned up and working too much.

Plus the whole conversation about rankings bores me.  At the end of the day there are teams that make playoffs, that then play each other, then there is a winner.   Pretty simple really.

Win games...

[Frank Rossi]

Guess that means Bart will win the east.  Sweet!

_{Not so fast my friend!}

RPI still finished with only one regular season loss (a thumping by Bart) that year... it was a surprise that they even made it in the playoffs ending the season like that.

Best of luck to Bart in the pool C race, but 2 losses pretty much dooms a season to ECACville.

You're obviously asleep at the wheel - Show me how the Committee will fill Pool C with zero- and one-loss teams.

[redswarm81]

Can someone explain to RT how Alfred is ranked ahead of RPI in the D3.com top 25 poll when RPI is undefeated and AU's only loss is to a team RPI beat (Hobart)?? The upstate NY poll for this week seems to think RPI should be ranked higher.

(waiting for Frank's analysis here....critical of RT's question)

Sir Tackle the Red, you oughta surf past the Erratic8 board and the East Region Fan Poll board to see some criticism of questions.  I've been asking questions pretty similar to yours, and man, those Ithaca meatheads and Fishfaces just come out of their skin complaining about me just askin'

The truth can now be revealed, the people have a right to know:

The d3football.com voters are in fact, Jedi Knights.  They vote entirely by trusting their feelings.  Except for K-Mack.  He was booted from Jedi preschool by the High Council, for insenstively, offensively trying to round up a game of "Cowboys and Indians" among the young Jedi.

SJFF82 can talk all he wants about "subjective data" and opinions "based largely in part" on blah blah blah, but I've got it figured out--Jedis.