FB: Liberty League

[Jonny Utah]

RE: Ithacas schedule

Although ICs nonleague opponenents arent that great this year. (Lycoming, Kings, Cortland, Brockport), I would say that if in 3 years, if all those teams were the top ranked teams in the east, IC would still be playing them.  

I also have a feeling (and Coach King kind of alluded to it in that early season quote from him) that if Utica and Endicott were the top teams in the east, RPI would look for other (easier) teams to start off their season with.


Is their anything wrong with that?  Not really.  Im gonna say Ithaca probably deserved to be home over RPI in 2001 because of the schedule, but thats not how the system works.  Untill that system changes, Coach King looks like he knows what hes doing in terms of the schedule (in terms of getting his team to the playoff).

With all this bickering about Utica and Endicott being a crappy schedule, let's all not forget that Utica beat RPI 9-7 in 2004. And UC has finished a 6-4, and 3-3, in arguably one of the toughest conferences in the country. Who's to say that Joe King and the rest of the RPI contingent didn't think Utica would continue to improve and not slink back down to the basement/cellar area of the Empire 8?

Because he basically said he doesnt want to play the best teams in the country non-league.

And its 2007, not 2004.

And Im going to assume that RPI plus 99% of the d3football world (with the exception of you) didnt expect Utica to be that good this year or next year.

Bottomline is that RPI plays Utica as a warmup for their league schedule.....

I know that now, but whose to say they weren't going to be good in 2006 after finishing with a winning record in 2005? And now, 2 years after the fact, I'm sure the 2006 and 2007 games had already been scheduled long before they were played.

I had a good feeling (shhh, dont tell Redswarm) that Utica was going nowhere ever.   Theyve had 2 good wins in the history of their program (2004 vs the worst RPI team in 15 years, and 2005 Springfield), and they havent had a good team (really never even close) in the short history of their program.

And in 2005, 3 of their wins were against Mt. Ida, Husson and Becker, possibly and literally the worst teams in college football of 2005 at all levels.

Now, they can start new and we will see what happens.........

[Frank Rossi]

Heres another thought on the SOS, (and how it might help Union some years, not this year)

If RPI played Springfield instead of Utica and Endicott and beat them and lost the leauge to Union, they would probably still get a pool C if they lost.

If RPI loses the LL title to Union this year, they probably will not get a pool C bid.

Union still has a chance at a pool A bid, and had their chance at a pool C bid by actually playing SC.

So it should work out one way or the other for both teams right?

hey...here's where Frank can help RT!!!

JU..if you go back to Frank's earlier posts on playoffs, RT recalls that if RPI beats Rochester then loses to Union we can either win the LL league in this scenario if Hobart beats the U...OR get a pool C bid at 8-1.

Frank..please confirm

Right, Im saying if Union wins the league....

There would not be enough one-loss teams by the end of the season to exclude RPI without the Committee making a decision to penalize a one-loss RPI team and grant access to a stronger-scheduled/conference two-loss team.  I don't see that really happening -- so I'd say RPI is a one-loss lock in Pool C.

[Jonny Utah]

Heres another thought on the SOS, (and how it might help Union some years, not this year)

If RPI played Springfield instead of Utica and Endicott and beat them and lost the leauge to Union, they would probably still get a pool C if they lost.

If RPI loses the LL title to Union this year, they probably will not get a pool C bid.

Union still has a chance at a pool A bid, and had their chance at a pool C bid by actually playing SC.

So it should work out one way or the other for both teams right?

hey...here's where Frank can help RT!!!

JU..if you go back to Frank's earlier posts on playoffs, RT recalls that if RPI beats Rochester then loses to Union we can either win the LL league in this scenario if Hobart beats the U...OR get a pool C bid at 8-1.

Frank..please confirm

Right, Im saying if Union wins the league....

There would not be enough one-loss teams by the end of the season to exclude RPI without the Committee making a decision to penalize a one-loss RPI team and grant access to a stronger-scheduled/conference two-loss team.  I don't see that really happening -- so I'd say RPI is a one-loss lock in Pool C.

I dont see it happening either, but it has happened and there is still the Hartwick/SJF scenerio to work out.

[Frank Rossi]

Heres another thought on the SOS, (and how it might help Union some years, not this year)

If RPI played Springfield instead of Utica and Endicott and beat them and lost the leauge to Union, they would probably still get a pool C if they lost.

If RPI loses the LL title to Union this year, they probably will not get a pool C bid.

Union still has a chance at a pool A bid, and had their chance at a pool C bid by actually playing SC.

So it should work out one way or the other for both teams right?

hey...here's where Frank can help RT!!!

JU..if you go back to Frank's earlier posts on playoffs, RT recalls that if RPI beats Rochester then loses to Union we can either win the LL league in this scenario if Hobart beats the U...OR get a pool C bid at 8-1.

Frank..please confirm

Right, Im saying if Union wins the league....

There would not be enough one-loss teams by the end of the season to exclude RPI without the Committee making a decision to penalize a one-loss RPI team and grant access to a stronger-scheduled/conference two-loss team.  I don't see that really happening -- so I'd say RPI is a one-loss lock in Pool C.

I dont see it happening either, but it has happened and there is still the Hartwick/SJF scenerio to work out.

There's enough room for one E8 and one LL bid -- so Hartwick/SJF is probably irrelevant to that discussion, especially if both end up at two losses.

[Frank Rossi]

Well, the deadline for ECAC Playoffs declaration is TOMORROW (Thursday) at 5PM EDT.  And here's the long list of Upstate New York/New England schools that have declared as of 10AM EDT today:

Alfred University (E8)
Bridgewater State College (NEFC)
Coast Guard Academy (NEFC)
Curry College (NEFC)
Hartwick College (E8)
Plymouth State University (NEFC)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (LL)
St. John Fisher College (E8)
Western Connecticut State University (NJAC)
William Paterson University (NJAC)
University of Rochester (LL)

[PBR...]

crack is whack ...pbr's head hurts!!!

[mattvsmith]

crack is whack ...pbr's head hurts!!!

The Rev stepped in dog doo for the first time in a decade on Monday night.  The Rev has been in a bad mood since then.  No matter how hard he scrubbed the sole of his shoe, it still smells like doodoo.

And then The Rev saw this picture of Whitney. Suddenly, having dogdoo on my shoe seems like a blessing in comparison.

It only goes to show...
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

[labart96]

Well, the deadline for ECAC Playoffs declaration is TOMORROW (Thursday) at 5PM EDT.  And here's the long list of Upstate New York/New England schools that have declared as of 10AM EDT today:

Alfred University (E8)
Bridgewater State College (NEFC)
Coast Guard Academy (NEFC)
Curry College (NEFC)
Hartwick College (E8)
Plymouth State University (NEFC)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (LL)
St. John Fisher College (E8)
Western Connecticut State University (NJAC)
William Paterson University (NJAC)
University of Rochester (LL)

Interesting to see that neither Union nor Hobart have declared yet, especially considering that the ECACs would be either school's only option for a post season game depending on this weekend's outcome.

Maybe the Union and Hobart AD's are waiting until the last minute? 

[union89]

BudCrew, can you explain your rationale to having Rochester ranked #9 in your East Region Poll while having Union unranked??

Thanks.

U89,
Rochester may be a bit misplaced.

That is all.
DC88



Not being a wiseass here....what does that mean....are you admitting to f'ing up the poll??

['gro]

Well, the deadline for ECAC Playoffs declaration is TOMORROW (Thursday) at 5PM EDT.  And here's the long list of Upstate New York/New England schools that have declared as of 10AM EDT today:

Alfred University (E8)
Bridgewater State College (NEFC)
Coast Guard Academy (NEFC)
Curry College (NEFC)
Hartwick College (E8)
Plymouth State University (NEFC)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (LL)
St. John Fisher College (E8)
Western Connecticut State University (NJAC)
William Paterson University (NJAC)
University of Rochester (LL)

Even though ECAC games "don't count", there would be some interesting matchups with these teams. Of course some will end up in the NCAA's and some have yet to declare.

One of RPI's better wins the past few years was the 2005 ECAC win at Fisher.

[dlippiel]

Dew crew you don't schedule Utica to impress anyone, sorry.

[lewdogg11]

Why doesn't everyone quit yapping about Out Of Conference schedules, and question why teams like Rochester, St. Lawrence, WPI, Susquehanna, etc...can't get any better?  Rochester has some pretty sweet facilities in a decent city.  They even get decent athletes.  Why don't they get some coaches who can coach a team to win?  St. lawrence has put some money into their program.  Personally, i would never want to go to St. Lawrence, but some kids must love freezing weather.  Who cares about the Out of Conference schedule?  The BIG issue here that every one has is that RPI has 2 big games each year, Hobart and Union.  The rest of the league maybe needs a kick in the ass.

[labart96]

Why doesn't everyone quit yapping about Out Of Conference schedules, and question why teams like Rochester, St. Lawrence, WPI, Susquehanna, etc...can't get any better?  Rochester has some pretty sweet facilities in a decent city.  They even get decent athletes.  Why don't they get some coaches who can coach a team to win?  St. lawrence has put some money into their program.  Personally, i would never want to go to St. Lawrence, but some kids must love freezing weather.  Who cares about the Out of Conference schedule?  The BIG issue here that every one has is that RPI has 2 big games each year, Hobart and Union.  The rest of the league maybe needs a kick in the ass.

Good point.  SLU showed promise last year (beat RPI, had a winning record), but is back down in the dumps with a 2-5 record this season.  Rocho was a trendy pre-season pick, but even at 5-3 so far, aren't that good.

TGP thinks WPI is making progress.  Although the were initially smoked by Hobart in the first half, they (sort of) came back to pull within 10 pt margin, they hung with Union and almost beat RPI.  Hand the LL COY award to WPI.  This was a team a couple of years ago got monkey stomped on a regular basis but is now able to hang with pretty much any team in the league.

Don't know enough about SU other than the fact that given their location, they'd probably be better off playing in the CC instead of the LL or the MAC.

[labart96]

Well, the deadline for ECAC Playoffs declaration is TOMORROW (Thursday) at 5PM EDT.  And here's the long list of Upstate New York/New England schools that have declared as of 10AM EDT today:

Alfred University (E8)
Bridgewater State College (NEFC)
Coast Guard Academy (NEFC)
Curry College (NEFC)
Hartwick College (E8)
Plymouth State University (NEFC)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (LL)
St. John Fisher College (E8)
Western Connecticut State University (NJAC)
William Paterson University (NJAC)
University of Rochester (LL)

Even though ECAC games "don't count", there would be some interesting matchups with these teams. Of course some will end up in the NCAA's and some have yet to declare.

One of RPI's better wins the past few years was the 2005 ECAC win at Fisher.

Agree.  If Bart doesn't end up making the NCAAs this season, TGP would love to see them match up against a SJF or IC.

[Touchdown Tommy]

TGP: How bout a breakdown of the trip to Denver for the Fall Classic?  TDT doesn't believe he's seen a full report for the LLPP, Inc.

Hey Frank, Loosen up your undies and relax.  All these charts and statistical analysis and SOS arguments are boring the bejeezus outta the LLPP.  Have a laugh I mean this isn't life and death.  Let's keep a little perspective here.