FB: Liberty League

[Pat Coleman]

It's called exaggerating and hoping you don't get called on it. We never said everyone was in love, and that's what I answered. You snapped back with a smart-ass post and I called you on that, too. Let's not make stuff up, alright?

[Knightstalker]

Frank, KS thinks that when it is not sound geographically the NCAA will revert to their old ways.  But when you can move just a couple of teams, keep it under 500 miles and you can give the consensus four best teams number one seeds they should do it.

[Tags]

Frank, KS thinks that when it is not sound geographically the NCAA will revert to their old ways.  But when you can move just a couple of teams, keep it under 500 miles and you can give the consensus four best teams number one seeds they should do it.

Tags would like to propose giving Mt. Union the championship prior to the season actually starting. Then you could have the rest of the field play the regular season, and have their own playoffs, with a shot at what we'll call the "Crag Mountain Bowl" --- strictly for 2nd place.

[Frank Rossi]

It's called exaggerating and hoping you don't get called on it. We never said everyone was in love, and that's what I answered. You snapped back with a smart-ass post and I called you on that, too. Let's not make stuff up, alright?

I bit my tongue on here for a few days about this and then write one post after everyone seems to be taking a dump on the East Region based on this new bracketing.  I use hyperbole followed by anecdotes and answer your smart-ass posts that attempt to rip at the superficial portions of what I said instead of addressing what the points I made inside the post really were.  I'm not getting into a pissing contest with you here -- As I said, it's one man's opinion that was backed up with a lot of facts and anecdotes.  Call me on whatever you'd like.  I welcome it, and you know that about me.

[Frank Rossi]

Frank, KS thinks that when it is not sound geographically the NCAA will revert to their old ways.  But when you can move just a couple of teams, keep it under 500 miles and you can give the consensus four best teams number one seeds they should do it.

Tags would like to propose giving Mt. Union the championship prior to the season actually starting. Then you could have the rest of the field play the regular season, and have their own playoffs, with a shot at what we'll call the "Crag Mountain Bowl" --- strictly for 2nd place.

The quiz show Jeopardy! did this a couple years ago -- with the whole $1 million Ken Jennings Tournament -- They had a good number of players from past years face off until there were two players left and then had them face Ken Jennings -- who was guaranteed no less than $250k for third place.  Ironically, Brad Rutter beat Jennings soundly -- maybe Jennings lost his buzzer rhythm waiting for the rest of the field to pan out?  But your idea reminds me of this :-)

[Frank Rossi]

Frank, KS thinks that when it is not sound geographically the NCAA will revert to their old ways.  But when you can move just a couple of teams, keep it under 500 miles and you can give the consensus four best teams number one seeds they should do it.

KS -- are you sold that the four teams chosen were the four best teams nationally?  If so, why?  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on MUC, but I'm looking beyond MUC.  And my other question is:  isn't this new bracketology an all-or-nothing deal (i.e., if one region wouldn't pan out, would it be fair to somehow rotate so that three of the regions had a bigger travel issue while one did not since the top-heavy bracketing didn't work for that region)?

[Knightstalker]

Frank, KS thinks that the committee thought these were the four best teams based on the criteria used to select the teams.  Definitely KS feels that Mount and UWWW are two of the four best in the nation.

[Frank Rossi]

Frank, KS thinks that the committee thought these were the four best teams based on the criteria used to select the teams.  Definitely KS feels that Mount and UWWW are two of the four best in the nation.

Asked a different way:  does KS approve of those criteria in a national system?

[Jonny Utah]

Am I the only one that loves having Mt. Union in the east?  And I always loved when the D1 basketball tournement had wierd matchups in any round.  It makes it fun I think.

Bottom line is that we have seen possibly the best regular season in the history of college football at any level with Mt. Union this year.  And now for the next four weeks us fans get to see what eastern d3 football is all about.  The ghosts of the 2003 RPI team,  the 1991, 1988 and 1979 Ithaca teams, the Rowan teams, and 1983 and 1989 Union teams are all excited to see what happens the next few weeks.

Go Bombers, and bring it on Mt. Union......bring it on......

[dewcrew88]

It's called exaggerating and hoping you don't get called on it. We never said everyone was in love, and that's what I answered. You snapped back with a smart-ass post and I called you on that, too. Let's not make stuff up, alright?

Zing....

[dewcrew88]

Am I the only one that loves having Mt. Union in the east?  And I always loved when the D1 basketball tournement had wierd matchups in any round.  It makes it fun I think.

Bottom line is that we have seen possibly the best regular season in the history of college football at any level with Mt. Union this year.  And now for the next four weeks us fans get to see what eastern d3 football is all about.  The ghosts of the 2003 RPI team,  the 1991, 1988 and 1979 Ithaca teams, the Rowan teams, and 1983 and 1989 Union teams are all excited to see what happens the next few weeks.

Go Bombers, and bring it on Mt. Union......bring it on......

Hear, hear. +K.  This is why I defended the East in my ATR column.... we'll get to see if MUC is the most dominant team ever or if there are any chinks in the armor.

[Frank Rossi]

Am I the only one that loves having Mt. Union in the east?  And I always loved when the D1 basketball tournement had wierd matchups in any round.  It makes it fun I think.

Bottom line is that we have seen possibly the best regular season in the history of college football at any level with Mt. Union this year.  And now for the next four weeks us fans get to see what eastern football is all about.

Go Bombers, and bring it on Mt. Union......bring it on......

If I were to give you my East-Region-only point of view in a vacuum, I'd have to say that I can't love it easily when it's pretty obvious that the East Region in general has hit a bit of a down year this year.  The E8 seemed somewhat lackluster once Alfred fell apart -- the fact that Ithaca squirted through someone indicates that things were a little odd here -- and the argument about 3 Pool C teams in the East is a little underwhelming since there are 22 automatic bids in which the East only has five bids (and no Pool B teams that made it through).  Percentage-wise, the East really should get three C bids each year under these circumstances to balance brackets, although it's no guarantee.  I think in any other year, I'd be more excited about the East's chances in this scenario -- but the fact that Curry somehow managed a #3 seed (or #2 sans MUC) might explain a little bit more about the state of the East heading into the playoffs.  

Does this mean I think perpetual dogging of the East teams is necessary?  No.  Any given Saturday... And also, just to make it clear, my concern about the bracketing is not an East/MUC-centric issue -- it's viewing it from 10,000 ft. and trying to apply it to past and future years to see what could happen with it.

[Jonny Utah]

Am I the only one that loves having Mt. Union in the east?  And I always loved when the D1 basketball tournement had wierd matchups in any round.  It makes it fun I think.

Bottom line is that we have seen possibly the best regular season in the history of college football at any level with Mt. Union this year.  And now for the next four weeks us fans get to see what eastern football is all about.

Go Bombers, and bring it on Mt. Union......bring it on......

If I were to give you my East-Region-only point of view in a vacuum, I'd have to say that I can't love it easily when it's pretty obvious that the East Region in general has hit a bit of a down year this year.  The E8 seemed somewhat lackluster once Alfred fell apart -- the fact that Ithaca squirted through someone indicates that things were a little odd here -- and the argument about 3 Pool C teams in the East is a little underwhelming since there are 22 automatic bids in which the East only has five bids (and no Pool B teams that made it through).  Percentage-wise, the East really should get three C bids each year under these circumstances to balance brackets, although it's no guarantee.  I think in any other year, I'd be more excited about the East's chances in this scenario -- but the fact that Curry somehow managed a #3 seed (or #2 sans MUC) might explain a little bit more about the state of the East heading into the playoffs.  

Does this mean I think perpetual dogging of the East teams is necessary?  No.  Any given Saturday... And also, just to make it clear, my concern about the bracketing is not an East/MUC-centric issue -- it's viewing it from 10,000 ft. and trying to apply it to past and future years to see what could happen with it.

I dont think the east has had a down year.  It just seems that the top teams all played one another and that the teams that usually cant beat the top teams (Rochester, Hartwick, Kean,) did.  Kind of like d1 football I think.  Just because there is no clear cut #1 team this year, it doesnt mean the top 10 teams arent as good as the top 10 as last year.

[Frank Rossi]

It's called exaggerating and hoping you don't get called on it. We never said everyone was in love, and that's what I answered. You snapped back with a smart-ass post and I called you on that, too. Let's not make stuff up, alright?

Zing....

Zing doesn't apply here since kicking and screaming appeared to be involved and because hyperbole is exaggeration for the purpose of colorable reading, not "mak[ing]...up" something, Mr. Saratogian.

[Frank Rossi]

Am I the only one that loves having Mt. Union in the east?  And I always loved when the D1 basketball tournement had wierd matchups in any round.  It makes it fun I think.

Bottom line is that we have seen possibly the best regular season in the history of college football at any level with Mt. Union this year.  And now for the next four weeks us fans get to see what eastern football is all about.

Go Bombers, and bring it on Mt. Union......bring it on......

If I were to give you my East-Region-only point of view in a vacuum, I'd have to say that I can't love it easily when it's pretty obvious that the East Region in general has hit a bit of a down year this year.  The E8 seemed somewhat lackluster once Alfred fell apart -- the fact that Ithaca squirted through someone indicates that things were a little odd here -- and the argument about 3 Pool C teams in the East is a little underwhelming since there are 22 automatic bids in which the East only has five bids (and no Pool B teams that made it through).  Percentage-wise, the East really should get three C bids each year under these circumstances to balance brackets, although it's no guarantee.  I think in any other year, I'd be more excited about the East's chances in this scenario -- but the fact that Curry somehow managed a #3 seed (or #2 sans MUC) might explain a little bit more about the state of the East heading into the playoffs.  

Does this mean I think perpetual dogging of the East teams is necessary?  No.  Any given Saturday... And also, just to make it clear, my concern about the bracketing is not an East/MUC-centric issue -- it's viewing it from 10,000 ft. and trying to apply it to past and future years to see what could happen with it.

I dont think the east has had a down year.  It just seems that the top teams all played one another and that the teams that usually cant beat the top teams (Rochester, Hartwick, Kean,) did.  Kind of like d1 football I think.  Just because there is no clear cut #1 team this year, it doesnt mean the top 10 teams arent as good as the top 10 as last year.

I think part of the argument depends on whether you think Hartwick was a legitmate team this year or not.  The Utica game, not so much because of the closeness of the score as it was for the sheer lack of defense for 60 minutes+4 drives, backed up my previous thoughts about Hartwick.  Congratulations to the Hawks, but it sort of puts big question marks on the strength of the supposedly strongest conference in the East (the E8).  Then, let's look at the NJAC and the oddities that arose in there.  A lot of people feel that Hobart is the strongest team in the bunch right now -- and Hobart has two losses this year and probably, according to some, one of the weaker teams that Hobart's brought to the playoffs over the last few years (once you get past the QB).  So, I don't know if I could agree with you top-10-team assessment very easily based on what I've seen, heard and know about the year gone by.