FB: Liberty League

[lewdogg11]

Superman agrees that the whole suing thing is bush league, but here's what bothers me about the article, a Yankees fan is just a Yankees fan, but a Red Sox fan is not a Red Sox fan he is a member of Red Sox nation, that bothers me...

Trust me, even REAL Red Sox fans HATE 'Red Sox Nation'... 

It's full of pink hats and Lexus driving 20 year old douchebags.

[Jonny Utah]

Although JU feels a little better now that the celtics have brought the game closer at halftime, I have officially concluded the following statement....

Kevin Garnett is the most overated player in the history of the NBA.

This guy is ****ing 6'11 and can't sway a shot from a guy that is 6 feet tall!  I mean, 6 ****ing 11 inches tall. He doesn't even have to ****ing jump!  Just put his hands up and they are over the rim!  Time and time again, guys drive the lane and put shots over or around this guy.  NBA all defensive team?!  Are you ****ing serious?  The league is officially ****ed in the head by voting this guy for that award.

And offensively?  He gets shut down by anyone decent that tries to cover him one on one.  He can hit an open shot as well as any player, but put some defense on him and he is ****ed.  I have yet to see him have a decent power move in a one on one situation.  Hell, any 6'11 player can dunk the ball. 

Man, all I can say is that this clip sums up Garnetts heart and attitude towards the game.  And remember before you see this clip that Garnett is 6 ****ing 11 inches tall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5mSSY5FbTg

[Jonny Utah]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080515/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_spygate

PBR....

Can we please vote this knucklehead Specter out of office asap?  I serioulsy want to punch this guy in the face.  And this guy talks about "objective" investigations? 

Comcast, Specter's #2 monetary donor, and a Philadelphia based company is in a war with the nfl over charging fees for the nfl network, and other cable issues between the two parties.  How the hell can this guy talk about objective investigations?  And now Specter wants to investigate the nfl himself? 

And I am going to agree that the Patriots broke the rules, but stealing signals still isn't against the rules, only videotaping them is.  So the "cheating" isn't really cheating as far as Im concerned.  I think it would be a lot worse if the NFL stated that no observing of other teams signals was permitted.

Am I missing something here?

[superman57]

Jonny I agree that this is getting a tad bit out of hand, but all Roger Goodell has to do is say Belicheck is suspended for a game or two, and Specter drops this, in my opinion Bellicheck should have been suspended in the first place, because from what I am hearing they new what they were doing and were purpposly finding ways to stay away from the NFL... but I wouldn't do a full investigation, get it over with suspend bellicheck for a game or two and get specter out of here

[PBR...]

hey JU, imho let alren run his course....if he finds nothing he looks like a bigger fool and gets crushed for wasting time/money and if he finds more than good for him....pbr will say he was a top notch d.a. and tough as nails but always stays within the confines of the law. if the nfl commish and its owners sitting up in their ivory tower didnt fight him every step along the way this would of been over long ago....goodell et al have no one to blame but themselves.

[Jonny Utah]

Yea but Supe, the nfl already gave out the penalty for what Belichick did, and there is nothing new to say that the Patriots did more (or different) than they told them in the first place.  You can't punish a guy twice for doing the same thing.

I guess its just clear to me that an investigation isn't going to prove anything.  And an investigation is going to have to involve other teams, and other coaches, and other players etc etc.  What if a coach on the Pats says that a previous team that he coached for did a similar thing?  Then that team has to be questioned as well. 

I guess my main point is that the videotaping is not the issue here, its the stealing of signals.

[PBR...]

pbr see's your points JU and kinda agree's w/ ya but also everyone thought clemens was clean as well and after a little investigation look what happened...so let arlen run his course and chips fall where they may

[Knightstalker]

Hey JU, if this was 15 years ago and it was Don Shula and the Dolphins would you want them to back off?

[Jonny Utah]

Hey JU, if this was 15 years ago and it was Don Shula and the Dolphins would you want them to back off?

Yea, I dont think I would really care.  But of course, I played football and know how signals work.  Now if the Patriots stole another teams scripted first 10 plays or something like that, I can understand.  But if all they did was videotape something they were allowed to watch anyway, then whats the big deal?  Its not Brady knew exactly who was going to blitz and threw to the open hot read right away.  Football players simply cannot take that chance.  And thats something Specter and these guys dont know about.  Im no expert by any means, but untill theres something more than just videotaping something that they are allowed to watch anyway, I dont think its a big deal.  AND, if the Nfl does take it further, I also believe the Patriots lawyers could pick apart the "memo" that outlined the rules in a very ambigous fashion.  I still think the Patriots did not violate the rule in the way it was written.  Sure, Belichick knew the "spirt" of the rule, but if you are going to get congress involved, then maybe the Patriots didnt really break the rule (criminals get off many crimes if laws arent written the right way).

And Clemens was being investigated for using drugs and using drugs only.  What else do people think the Patriots did?  I thought it was clear from what Godell said that the nfl does not have any other reason to believe that the patriots did anything else from the facts they have gathered.

All in all, I think specter has lost his mind.

[Pat Coleman]

pbr see's your points JU and kinda agree's w/ ya but also everyone thought clemens was clean as well

Says who?

[superman57]

Jonny, my issue is I thought that the penalty was too small, and that Bellicheck should have been suspended for at least one game...for being a smug a$$, (which he has earned)

[Knightstalker]

JU, Spector lost his mind years ago.  Once he went from DA to other elected offices he started getting a little nuts.  Personally KS thinks the government should stop wasting our money on investigating professional sports.  KS agrees with supes that Belicheat should have been suspended for a game and the Pats should have lost the higher of the picks, whether they traded for one or not.  Also the Pats should have been fined the max also.  I know 500K isn't much to an NFL team but it is the thought that counts.

[PBR...]

Jonny, my issue is I thought that the penalty was too small, and that Bellicheck should have been suspended for at least one game...for being a smug a$$, (which he has earned)

also when you destroy the evidence it gives off the impression of a huge coverup

[union89]

On John Tomase,
Not nearly good enough today fool.  I was looking forward to seeing what Tomase had to say today....his whole defense was, "I took the word of a friend of a friend of a friend as truth."  Not good enough.....I never really respected the Boston Herald, but now view that rag as just a tiny bit ahead of the National Enquirer.

[Jonny Utah]

On John Tomase,
Not nearly good enough today fool.  I was looking forward to seeing what Tomase had to say today....his whole defense was, "I took the word of a friend of a friend of a friend as truth."  Not good enough.....I never really respected the Boston Herald, but now view that rag as just a tiny bit ahead of the National Enquirer.

I agree U89.  This whole thing in Boston comes down to the media that hates Belichick (25%) and the national media that hate belichick (75%).  So when things are pretty much made up (like what tomase did), these guys should pay for it.