FB: Liberty League

[Ethelred the Unready]

This Union finish is fantastic.....U89 thinks Union may have found themselves a QB for the next 4 years!!

dlippiel....we got our wish.

Looks like UR found a QB as well.  Amazing how freshmen step up and compete

[dlippiel]

Pass incomplete Union bows the Rochester. Very frustrating but an exciting finish.

[union89]

Not sure how....audio went out again as ball was snapped....watching live stats.

[Senor RedTackle]

Bob Conways replacement is a little tough to take

yeeeah, not too exciting...

"The center snapped the ball, then the QB took the ball, and he threw the ball, and.. uh, the receiver caught it."

You ever listening to Howard Stern back in the day?...Steve Garillo?

[union89]

3 missed PAT's for Union??  Rediculas.......

The live stats feature on Unionathletics.com is AWSOME.

The difference in the game....Union could have kicked a 20 yard field goal for the win if even 2 of 3 PAT's were successful.

[labart96]

hobart racking up 11 penalties - pretty unimpressed with the offensive effort today but tgp will take the win.  defensive and the dl were improved.

hobart 27 - sasquatch 14 Final

[UnionDad]

Union STs were pathetic.  Long returns , one for a TD, and 3 missed PATs.  They played well enough to win.  This one hurts

[Frank Rossi]

3 missed PAT's for Union??  Rediculas.......

The live stats feature on Unionathletics.com is AWSOME.

The difference in the game....Union could have kicked a 20 yard field goal for the win if even 2 of 3 PAT's were successful.

Actually, you can't make that simple statement:

Union missed 3 PATs.  Rochester missed 1 PAT and a 2PtConv.  Rochester would not have gone for 2 if Union made their PATs early.  Best-case scenario is that +2 PATs would have meant Overtime (30-27).  If both teams had made all of their PATs, the score would have been 31-28 at that point.  

So, don't point the gun at the kicker fully here.  Rochester did get 29 points against Union, including a kickoff return for a TD.  There were a lot of differences in that game.  Rochester was able to march down the field when Union had a lead at the end in one minute... That's where I'm focusing some of my dismay here.  

[UnionDad]

Union STs were pathetic.  Long returns , one for a TD, and 3 missed PATs.  They played well enough to win.  This one hurts

Union also had a 37 FG blocked

[redswarm81]

3 missed PAT's for Union??  Rediculaz.......

The live stats feature on Unionathletics.com is AWeSOME.

The difference in the game....Union could have kicked a 20 yard field goal for the win if even 2 of 3 PAT's were successful.

Actually, you can't make that simple statement:

Union missed 3 PATs.  Rochester missed 1 PAT and a 2PtConv.  Rochester would not have gone for 2 if Union made their PATs early.  Best-case scenario is that +2 PATs would have meant Overtime (30-27).  If both teams had made all of their PATs, the score would have been 31-28 at that point. 

So, don't point the gun at the kicker fully here.  Rochester did get 29 points against Union, including a kickoff return for a TD.  There were a lot of differences in that game.  Rochester was able to march down the field when Union had a lead at the end in one minute... That's where I'm focusing some of my dismay here. 

I would not have been surprised by such a troubled kicking game on a grass field, since I suspect such fields are pretty waterlogged today.  In that respect, I'm thinking that some of the scores today might conceal the effects of wet and muddy conditions.

That said, I'm curious how it is that both UofR and Union had so much trouble with their kicking game, on an all weather field.

[Frank Rossi]

3 missed PAT's for Union??  Rediculaz.......

The live stats feature on Unionathletics.com is AWeSOME.

The difference in the game....Union could have kicked a 20 yard field goal for the win if even 2 of 3 PAT's were successful.

Actually, you can't make that simple statement:

Union missed 3 PATs.  Rochester missed 1 PAT and a 2PtConv.  Rochester would not have gone for 2 if Union made their PATs early.  Best-case scenario is that +2 PATs would have meant Overtime (30-27).  If both teams had made all of their PATs, the score would have been 31-28 at that point. 

So, don't point the gun at the kicker fully here.  Rochester did get 29 points against Union, including a kickoff return for a TD.  There were a lot of differences in that game.  Rochester was able to march down the field when Union had a lead at the end in one minute... That's where I'm focusing some of my dismay here. 

I would not have been surprised by such a troubled kicking game on a grass field, since I suspect such fields are pretty waterlogged today.  In that respect, I'm thinking that some of the scores today might conceal the effects of wet and muddy conditions.

That said, I'm curious how it is that both UofR and Union had so much trouble with their kicking game, on an all weather field.

The new field turf does retain moisture more than the old-style turf and tends to be more slick after a long or heavy rain... So that might explain some of it.

[UnionDad]

Turf doesn't explain KO return for TD.  Or poor coverage on others.  U of R started most drives after KOs at their 40 yd line.  It's not the first time this season that the specuals have been disappointing

[union89]

3 missed PAT's for Union??  Rediculas.......

The live stats feature on Unionathletics.com is AWSOME.

The difference in the game....Union could have kicked a 20 yard field goal for the win if even 2 of 3 PAT's were successful.

Actually, you can't make that simple statement:

Union missed 3 PATs.  Rochester missed 1 PAT and a 2PtConv.  Rochester would not have gone for 2 if Union made their PATs early.  Best-case scenario is that +2 PATs would have meant Overtime (30-27).  If both teams had made all of their PATs, the score would have been 31-28 at that point.  

So, don't point the gun at the kicker fully here.  Rochester did get 29 points against Union, including a kickoff return for a TD.  There were a lot of differences in that game.  Rochester was able to march down the field when Union had a lead at the end in one minute... That's where I'm focusing some of my dismay here.  

Frank,
I'm not placing all the blame on the kicker at all...I think the final PAT was blocked....he owns part of the blame along with the rest of that special teams unit.

I most certainly can say that the missed PAT's were a major factor which cost them the game....PAT's are more of a gimme than free throws in basketball....no reason for you to convolute the situation with hypotheticals.  A missed PAT is a missed PAT.....3 in one game is inexcusable.

[Frank Rossi]

3 missed PAT's for Union??  Rediculas.......

The live stats feature on Unionathletics.com is AWSOME.

The difference in the game....Union could have kicked a 20 yard field goal for the win if even 2 of 3 PAT's were successful.

Actually, you can't make that simple statement:

Union missed 3 PATs.  Rochester missed 1 PAT and a 2PtConv.  Rochester would not have gone for 2 if Union made their PATs early.  Best-case scenario is that +2 PATs would have meant Overtime (30-27).  If both teams had made all of their PATs, the score would have been 31-28 at that point.  

So, don't point the gun at the kicker fully here.  Rochester did get 29 points against Union, including a kickoff return for a TD.  There were a lot of differences in that game.  Rochester was able to march down the field when Union had a lead at the end in one minute... That's where I'm focusing some of my dismay here.  

Frank,
I'm not placing all the blame on the kicker at all...I think the final PAT was blocked....he owns part of the blame along with the rest of that special teams unit.

I most certainly can say that the missed PAT's were a major factor which cost them the game....PAT's are more of a gimme than free throws in basketball....no reason for you to convolute the situation with hypotheticals.  A missed PAT is a missed PAT.....3 in one game is inexcusable.

OK, but then give U of R the same scrutiny for their calls - There is no reason to go for 2 that early, and they missed an extra point.  That's my point -- let's look at the aspects of Union's game that are shaky beyond just the kicking game.  Feel free to call in tomorrow night and debate this when we open up the phones.

[labart96]

tough break for the dutchmen, but UofR is on TGP's radar now. 

close loss to SJF the week before and now starting off LL play 1-0.  Looks like the Beez could be a contender in what's usually a 3 legged race for the LL title.