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[union89]

3 missed PAT's for Union??  Rediculas.......

The live stats feature on Unionathletics.com is AWSOME.

The difference in the game....Union could have kicked a 20 yard field goal for the win if even 2 of 3 PAT's were successful.

Actually, you can't make that simple statement:

Union missed 3 PATs.  Rochester missed 1 PAT and a 2PtConv.  Rochester would not have gone for 2 if Union made their PATs early.  Best-case scenario is that +2 PATs would have meant Overtime (30-27).  If both teams had made all of their PATs, the score would have been 31-28 at that point.  

So, don't point the gun at the kicker fully here.  Rochester did get 29 points against Union, including a kickoff return for a TD.  There were a lot of differences in that game.  Rochester was able to march down the field when Union had a lead at the end in one minute... That's where I'm focusing some of my dismay here.  

Frank,
I'm not placing all the blame on the kicker at all...I think the final PAT was blocked....he owns part of the blame along with the rest of that special teams unit.

I most certainly can say that the missed PAT's were a major factor which cost them the game....PAT's are more of a gimme than free throws in basketball....no reason for you to convolute the situation with hypotheticals.  A missed PAT is a missed PAT.....3 in one game is inexcusable.

OK, but then give U of R the same scrutiny for their calls - There is no reason to go for 2 that early, and they missed an extra point.  That's my point -- let's look at the aspects of Union's game that are shaky beyond just the kicking game.  Feel free to call in tomorrow night and debate this when we open up the phones.

I'm a Union fan.....what U of R does makes no difference to me....the Yellowjackets going for 2 had no impact whatsoever on Union missing 3 PAT's.....the two situations do not corrolate.  If Union went for 2, you could debate your point....

[Frank Rossi]

3 missed PAT's for Union??  Rediculas.......

The live stats feature on Unionathletics.com is AWSOME.

The difference in the game....Union could have kicked a 20 yard field goal for the win if even 2 of 3 PAT's were successful.

Actually, you can't make that simple statement:

Union missed 3 PATs.  Rochester missed 1 PAT and a 2PtConv.  Rochester would not have gone for 2 if Union made their PATs early.  Best-case scenario is that +2 PATs would have meant Overtime (30-27).  If both teams had made all of their PATs, the score would have been 31-28 at that point.  

So, don't point the gun at the kicker fully here.  Rochester did get 29 points against Union, including a kickoff return for a TD.  There were a lot of differences in that game.  Rochester was able to march down the field when Union had a lead at the end in one minute... That's where I'm focusing some of my dismay here.  

Frank,
I'm not placing all the blame on the kicker at all...I think the final PAT was blocked....he owns part of the blame along with the rest of that special teams unit.

I most certainly can say that the missed PAT's were a major factor which cost them the game....PAT's are more of a gimme than free throws in basketball....no reason for you to convolute the situation with hypotheticals.  A missed PAT is a missed PAT.....3 in one game is inexcusable.

OK, but then give U of R the same scrutiny for their calls - There is no reason to go for 2 that early, and they missed an extra point.  That's my point -- let's look at the aspects of Union's game that are shaky beyond just the kicking game.  Feel free to call in tomorrow night and debate this when we open up the phones.

I'm a Union fan.....what U of R does makes no difference to me....the Yellowjackets going for 2 had no impact whatsoever on Union missing 3 PAT's.....the two situations do not corrolate.  If Union went for 2, you could debate your point....

Your point is that Union's missing of 3 PATs lost them the game.  Your point is wrong.

[labart96]

TGP thinks that the point is that there will be plenty of conversation to be had tomorrow night on the HuddLLe.

7:30 PM EST right guys?

[Frank Rossi]

TGP thinks that the point is that there will be plenty of conversation to be had tomorrow night on the HuddLLe.

7:30 PM EST right guys?

:-)  TGP understands a good controversy when he sees one.  7:30pm - Sunday night.  We'll be posting our guest list in a few hours for this week's show.  Just ironing out our final details.

[union89]

TGP thinks that the point is that there will be plenty of conversation to be had tomorrow night on the HuddLLe.

7:30 PM EST right guys?

:-)  TGP understands a good controversy when he sees one.  7:30pm - Sunday night.  We'll be posting our guest list in a few hours for this week's show.  Just ironing out our final details.

We got the point about the show....stop prostituting yourself.

If Union made the last PAT, would a 20 yard field goal have tied the game??  You are the biggest Union football apologist around.

[Frank Rossi]

TGP thinks that the point is that there will be plenty of conversation to be had tomorrow night on the HuddLLe.

7:30 PM EST right guys?

:-)  TGP understands a good controversy when he sees one.  7:30pm - Sunday night.  We'll be posting our guest list in a few hours for this week's show.  Just ironing out our final details.

We got the point about the show....stop prostituting yourself.

If Union made the last PAT, would a 20 yard field goal have tied the game??  You are the biggest Union football apologist around.

Apologist?  Not so fast, my friend.  I'm telling you where the game was REALLY lost, since I watched the game in its entirety (except for that part that the video cut out) -- and pointing to the kicker and blaming him or the special teams alone will not improve the team overall.  Isn't that what being a real fan is about, U89?  Trying to root on the team to future successes instead of overdosing on our proverbial wine and cheese and making negative statements about the team and a fellow alum who is explaining the deeper problem the Dutchmen experienced today?  Stop being so short-sighted here.

You also assume Union would have went for the tie with the kicking scenario the way it was... and that's no guarantee (Mike Shanahan told me so).  In your days, U89, giving up 29 points was unacceptable for a Union Defense -- I'm really surprised that you're looking in the direction that you are in this game.  The scoreboard says it all today, in a lot of ways. 

I apologize for nothing and nobody here.  Union needs to improve.  Period.  And they will.

- Frank

[union89]

TGP thinks that the point is that there will be plenty of conversation to be had tomorrow night on the HuddLLe.

7:30 PM EST right guys?

:-)  TGP understands a good controversy when he sees one.  7:30pm - Sunday night.  We'll be posting our guest list in a few hours for this week's show.  Just ironing out our final details.

We got the point about the show....stop prostituting yourself.

If Union made the last PAT, would a 20 yard field goal have tied the game??  You are the biggest Union football apologist around.

Apologist?  Not so fast, my friend.  I'm telling you where the game was REALLY lost, since I watched the game in its entirety (except for that part that the video cut out) -- and pointing to the kicker and blaming him or the special teams alone will not improve the team overall.  Isn't that what being a real fan is about, U89?  Trying to root on the team to future successes instead of overdosing on our proverbial wine and cheese and making negative statements about the team and a fellow alum who is explaining the deeper problem the Dutchmen experienced today?  Stop being so short-sighted here.

You also assume Union would have went for the tie with the kicking scenario the way it was... and that's no guarantee (Mike Shanahan told me so).  In your days, U89, giving up 29 points was unacceptable for a Union Defense -- I'm really surprised that you're looking in the direction that you are in this game.  The scoreboard says it all today, in a lot of ways. 

I apologize for nothing and nobody here.  Union needs to improve.  Period.  And they will.

- Frank

Humor me here....explain to me again where the contest was REALLY lost when Union loses by 4, misses 3 PAT's and has to go for the win with :04 to go instead of being able to kick a game tying or winning field goal.

You can point to a number of things, but the blame certainly starts with special teams.

Also, I've stated 3 times that I don't blame the kicker....I blame the unit.....cut out your lawyer nonsensical babble blame which I never even stated.

['gro]

getting testy in here... meow!


_{Frank and U89 take it outside}

[union89]

getting testy in here... meow!


_{Frank and U89 take it outside}

'Gro,
Stay clear of here.....U89 would hate for you to get hit with some shrapnel.

[Frank Rossi]

TGP thinks that the point is that there will be plenty of conversation to be had tomorrow night on the HuddLLe.

7:30 PM EST right guys?

:-)  TGP understands a good controversy when he sees one.  7:30pm - Sunday night.  We'll be posting our guest list in a few hours for this week's show.  Just ironing out our final details.

We got the point about the show....stop prostituting yourself.

If Union made the last PAT, would a 20 yard field goal have tied the game??  You are the biggest Union football apologist around.

Apologist?  Not so fast, my friend.  I'm telling you where the game was REALLY lost, since I watched the game in its entirety (except for that part that the video cut out) -- and pointing to the kicker and blaming him or the special teams alone will not improve the team overall.  Isn't that what being a real fan is about, U89?  Trying to root on the team to future successes instead of overdosing on our proverbial wine and cheese and making negative statements about the team and a fellow alum who is explaining the deeper problem the Dutchmen experienced today?  Stop being so short-sighted here.

You also assume Union would have went for the tie with the kicking scenario the way it was... and that's no guarantee (Mike Shanahan told me so).  In your days, U89, giving up 29 points was unacceptable for a Union Defense -- I'm really surprised that you're looking in the direction that you are in this game.  The scoreboard says it all today, in a lot of ways. 

I apologize for nothing and nobody here.  Union needs to improve.  Period.  And they will.

- Frank

Humor me here....explain to me again where the contest was REALLY lost when Union loses by 4, misses 3 PAT's and has to go for the win with :04 to go instead of being able to kick a game tying or winning field goal.

You can point to a number of things, but the blame certainly starts with special teams.

Also, I've stated 3 times that I don't blame the kicker....I blame the unit.....cut out your lawyer nonsensical babble blame which I never even stated.

So that two-minute drive that never reached a third down except after a spike by Rochester inside the 5-yard line when Union was leading by 3 had very little to do with the loss?  I see.  Or were you switching from Gouda to Brie during that drive when Union overcame their kicking deficiencies for the lead only to see the Defense let the Jackets walk down the field virtually unhindered? 

[UnionDad]

Last drive started almost at midfield.  STs again

[Frank Rossi]

Last drive started almost at midfield.  STs again

That last drive could've started from Rochester's 5 and they still would've scored... They put up no fight in that drive at all.

[UnionDad]

That's BS.  Yes the D failed on the last drive, but they played pretty well.  Let's remember that  7 points were given up by the STs

[union89]

TGP thinks that the point is that there will be plenty of conversation to be had tomorrow night on the HuddLLe.

7:30 PM EST right guys?

:-)  TGP understands a good controversy when he sees one.  7:30pm - Sunday night.  We'll be posting our guest list in a few hours for this week's show.  Just ironing out our final details.

We got the point about the show....stop prostituting yourself.

If Union made the last PAT, would a 20 yard field goal have tied the game??  You are the biggest Union football apologist around.

Apologist?  Not so fast, my friend.  I'm telling you where the game was REALLY lost, since I watched the game in its entirety (except for that part that the video cut out) -- and pointing to the kicker and blaming him or the special teams alone will not improve the team overall.  Isn't that what being a real fan is about, U89?  Trying to root on the team to future successes instead of overdosing on our proverbial wine and cheese and making negative statements about the team and a fellow alum who is explaining the deeper problem the Dutchmen experienced today?  Stop being so short-sighted here.

You also assume Union would have went for the tie with the kicking scenario the way it was... and that's no guarantee (Mike Shanahan told me so).  In your days, U89, giving up 29 points was unacceptable for a Union Defense -- I'm really surprised that you're looking in the direction that you are in this game.  The scoreboard says it all today, in a lot of ways. 

I apologize for nothing and nobody here.  Union needs to improve.  Period.  And they will.

- Frank

Humor me here....explain to me again where the contest was REALLY lost when Union loses by 4, misses 3 PAT's and has to go for the win with :04 to go instead of being able to kick a game tying or winning field goal.

You can point to a number of things, but the blame certainly starts with special teams.

Also, I've stated 3 times that I don't blame the kicker....I blame the unit.....cut out your lawyer nonsensical babble blame which I never even stated.

So that two-minute drive that never reached a third down except after a spike by Rochester inside the 5-yard line when Union was leading by 3 had very little to do with the loss?  I see.  Or were you switching from Gouda to Brie during that drive when Union overcame their kicking deficiencies for the lead only to see the Defense let the Jackets walk down the field virtually unhindered? 

You can point to 1,000,000 things that led to the loss....main problem was special teams and specifically the field goal units.  IMO, Union outplayed U of R today and lost mainly due to the play of specials.

Whose fault was the last drive when 'the Jackets walk down the field virtually unhindered?'  Let's hear where you place that blame...

And yes, we all know how fantastic the entire Audino family has always treated you....no need to repeat that one again....

[redswarm81]

I would not have been surprised by such a troubled kicking game on a grass field, since I suspect such fields are pretty waterlogged today.  In that respect, I'm thinking that some of the scores today might conceal the effects of wet and muddy conditions.

I'm curious how it is that both UofR and Union had so much trouble with their kicking game, on an all weather field.

The new field turf does retain moisture more than the old-style turf and tends to be more slick after a long or heavy rain... So that might explain some of it.

Makes sense to me.

So, back to grass, what was the '86 Field condition today, anyone?

Anyone?

Bueller?