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[Frank Rossi]

Whose fault was the last drive when 'the Jackets walk down the field virtually unhindered?'  Let's hear where you place that blame...

And yes, we all know how fantastic the entire Audino family has always treated you....no need to repeat that one again....

Well, much like your ADD during the game, apparently, you have ADD on here, since I've placed the "blame" on the Defense of Union -- for you to say that Union outplayed Rochester would perhaps be ignoring the parts of the game that didn't always lead to scores.  Union was sloppy in the first half defensively, leading to 12 of the 19 first-half Rochester points.

My point:  25 points by Union's Offense should always be enough to win a game -- maybe with a couple asterisks through the years, but I don't see any asterisks for this game.  Go look at the passing yards -- 281 yards given up in the air?!  And you want to go spout off about extra points?  The secondary and OLBs need to step up a bit more here for the team to have a successful season, and I'd wager they'd be the first ones to admit that to you.  Special teams were bad today, no doubt, but they didn't "cost" Union the game -- Union had a lead despite the gaffes.  Whose responsibility is it to hold onto the lead? 

Try READING my posts, U89, and put down the Chardonay for a few minutes to do so.

[Frank Rossi]

This week on "In the HuddLLe," we have a great show planned for you.  Scheduled to join us Sunday night, starting at 7:30pm ET, will be:**

- WPI Head Coach Ed Zaloom to discuss his team's high-scoring affair against RPI and next week's game vs. Union College;

- Rochester Receiver Pedro Sosa after his team's 29-25 victory over Union, a game in which Sosa caught two TDs, including the game-winning catch;

- Hobart Linebacker Justin Hager, who has led his team in tackles this season, including 21 tackles last weekend and another 10 tackles Saturday against Susquehanna; and

- Merchant Marine Academy Running Back J.J. Watson, whose 155 yards on the ground helped propel his team to a win of the Hoffman Cup over St. Lawrence.

Join us tomorrow night -- the link is http://www.blogtalkradio.com/LLRecap -- we'll be taking your calls at certain points during the show, so make sure to stay tuned, starting at 7:30!


** We are still finalizing the schedule, although we have heard back from all these guests and/or their Sports Information Departments in the affirmative thus far.

[union89]

Whose fault was the last drive when 'the Jackets walk down the field virtually unhindered?'  Let's hear where you place that blame...

And yes, we all know how fantastic the entire Audino family has always treated you....no need to repeat that one again....

Well, much like your ADD during the game, apparently, you have ADD on here, since I've placed the "blame" on the Defense of Union -- for you to say that Union outplayed Rochester would perhaps be ignoring the parts of the game that didn't always lead to scores.  Union was sloppy in the first half defensively, leading to 12 of the 19 first-half Rochester points.

My point:  25 points by Union's Offense should always be enough to win a game -- maybe with a couple asterisks through the years, but I don't see any asterisks for this game.  Go look at the passing yards -- 281 yards given up in the air?!  And you want to go spout off about extra points?  The secondary and OLBs need to step up a bit more here for the team to have a successful season, and I'd wager they'd be the first ones to admit that to you.  Special teams were bad today, no doubt, but they didn't "cost" Union the game -- Union had a lead despite the gaffes.  Whose responsibility is it to hold onto the lead? 

Try READING my posts, U89, and put down the Chardonay for a few minutes to do so.

Just cracked my first ML, so now I'm really going to be ornry.....

I asked you who you blame for the last drive....your response is the defense??  No kidding....when U of R was marching down like gangbusters, should a change have been made?  A coverage? A zone blitz?  Who do you blame?

I may drink Chardonay, but I know your not this dense....Who do you blame, Frank.....say it Frank!!! 

Don't continue to be the apologist that I called you earlier....break the chain and say it, Frank!!!

[Frank Rossi]

Whose fault was the last drive when 'the Jackets walk down the field virtually unhindered?'  Let's hear where you place that blame...

And yes, we all know how fantastic the entire Audino family has always treated you....no need to repeat that one again....

Well, much like your ADD during the game, apparently, you have ADD on here, since I've placed the "blame" on the Defense of Union -- for you to say that Union outplayed Rochester would perhaps be ignoring the parts of the game that didn't always lead to scores.  Union was sloppy in the first half defensively, leading to 12 of the 19 first-half Rochester points.

My point:  25 points by Union's Offense should always be enough to win a game -- maybe with a couple asterisks through the years, but I don't see any asterisks for this game.  Go look at the passing yards -- 281 yards given up in the air?!  And you want to go spout off about extra points?  The secondary and OLBs need to step up a bit more here for the team to have a successful season, and I'd wager they'd be the first ones to admit that to you.  Special teams were bad today, no doubt, but they didn't "cost" Union the game -- Union had a lead despite the gaffes.  Whose responsibility is it to hold onto the lead? 

Try READING my posts, U89, and put down the Chardonay for a few minutes to do so.

Just cracked my first ML, so now I'm really going to be ornry.....

I asked you who you blame for the last drive....your response is the defense??  No kidding....when U of R was marching down like gangbusters, should a change have been made?  A coverage? A zone blitz?  Who do you blame?

I may drink Chardonay, but I know your not this dense....Who do you blame, Frank.....say it Frank!!! 

Don't continue to be the apologist that I called you earlier....break the chain and say it, Frank!!!

Dude.  You're blaming a unit, and so am I... the one I'm believing is more responsible for the loss.  I'm not singling out players beyond saying the DBs and OLBs need to improve their play -- if that's a coaching issue, then sobeit.  If it's a personnel issue, then likewise.  But I don't think there's any need to go further than that.

So go look up "apologist" in your Funk & Wagnalls since you're apparently not understanding what the word means while you continue you use it here.  I'll be chilling on SoBe while you get up to speed.

[unionfan]

Isn't there more than enough blame to go around?  

Special teams was terrible (though to be fair, the punting and punt coverage was fine).  Defense gave up the pass all day long.  Offense basically failed to execute for the middle thirty.  Over a hundred yards of penalties.

We also got outcoached, bigtime, and to me that was the difference maker that hurts the most.  Coney has a 100 yards in the first half and we throw on nearly every down into a blitz for the first 20 minutes of the second.  We dont' bother to throw to the tight end until the fourth quarter where, gee, he has 50 yards and a TD on a single drive.  And we rush no all game and give up the 10 yards pass on 3rd down like it's ordained by god, including every play of the final gamewinning drive.

[union89]

Isn't there more than enough blame to go around?  

Special teams was terrible (though to be fair, the punting and punt coverage was fine).  Defense gave up the pass all day long.  Offense basically failed to execute for the middle thirty.  Over a hundred yards of penalties.

We also got outcoached, bigtime, and to me that was the difference maker that hurts the most.  Coney has a 100 yards in the first half and we throw on nearly every down into a blitz for the first 20 minutes of the second.  We dont' bother to throw to the tight end until the fourth quarter where, gee, he has 50 yards and a TD on a single drive.  And we rush no all game and give up the 10 yards pass on 3rd down like it's ordained by god, including every play of the final gamewinning drive.

Thank you, unionfan.....see Frank, it's not that hard to be honest.  I told you this last year that your inability to EVER place blame on the coaching staff totally kills any credibility you may have as an announcer.

Go look up the word 'credibility' in your fancy little book while you suck back a trendy little energy drink and find out what you have none of....

Even when called out, unionfan had to state the obvious because you couldn't.

[Senor RedTackle]

TGP thinks that the point is that there will be plenty of conversation to be had tomorrow night on the HuddLLe.

7:30 PM EST right guys?

:-)  TGP understands a good controversy when he sees one.  7:30pm - Sunday night.  We'll be posting our guest list in a few hours for this week's show.  Just ironing out our final details.

We got the point about the show....stop prostituting yourself.

If Union made the last PAT, would a 20 yard field goal have tied the game??  You are the biggest Union football apologist around.

jeeezzzz....relax U

[union89]

TGP thinks that the point is that there will be plenty of conversation to be had tomorrow night on the HuddLLe.

7:30 PM EST right guys?

:-)  TGP understands a good controversy when he sees one.  7:30pm - Sunday night.  We'll be posting our guest list in a few hours for this week's show.  Just ironing out our final details.

We got the point about the show....stop prostituting yourself.

If Union made the last PAT, would a 20 yard field goal have tied the game??  You are the biggest Union football apologist around.

jeeezzzz....relax U

RT, I didn't call you out.....after mentioning 3 times in a 1/2 hour, I felt he needed to be called out.  I know you, if you weren't involved with the show, you would be on my side too......

You know you would.....

[Reno Hightower]

Isn't there more than enough blame to go around?  

Special teams was terrible (though to be fair, the punting and punt coverage was fine).  Defense gave up the pass all day long.  Offense basically failed to execute for the middle thirty.  Over a hundred yards of penalties.

We also got outcoached, bigtime, and to me that was the difference maker that hurts the most.  Coney has a 100 yards in the first half and we throw on nearly every down into a blitz for the first 20 minutes of the second.  We dont' bother to throw to the tight end until the fourth quarter where, gee, he has 50 yards and a TD on a single drive.  And we rush no all game and give up the 10 yards pass on 3rd down like it's ordained by god, including every play of the final gamewinning drive.

Actually if you read the play by play Union ran every chance they could in the 2nd half. In the 3rd they only passed if it was 3rd and medium or long.
They got down by 10, if you are going to come back from a 10 point deficit you are going to have to pass the ball (Reno was actually thinking they should have passed it more in the 3rd).....especially when your defense cant seem to get you the ball very often (read the TOP, awful).
Union lost because were awful on Special Teams (I think Frank is downplaying that too much), had no answer for Pedro Sosa (I think Union89 is downplaying that too much) and because the offense sputtered for much of the 3rd Q.

25 points should be enough. But Union should have been able to put 38 points on that Rochester Defense.

Losing 6/giving up 7 on Special Teams is unacceptable.

Allowing a TE to catch 11 balls has to be something that can be taken care of schematically by the coaching staff-especially when the opponent is not rushing the ball at all (look at the stats, 2 yds/carry for #34) and does not have a deep threat at WR.

[union89]

Isn't there more than enough blame to go around?  

Special teams was terrible (though to be fair, the punting and punt coverage was fine).  Defense gave up the pass all day long.  Offense basically failed to execute for the middle thirty.  Over a hundred yards of penalties.

We also got outcoached, bigtime, and to me that was the difference maker that hurts the most.  Coney has a 100 yards in the first half and we throw on nearly every down into a blitz for the first 20 minutes of the second.  We dont' bother to throw to the tight end until the fourth quarter where, gee, he has 50 yards and a TD on a single drive.  And we rush no all game and give up the 10 yards pass on 3rd down like it's ordained by god, including every play of the final gamewinning drive.

Actually if you read the play by play Union ran every chance they could in the 2nd half. In the 3rd they only passed if it was 3rd and medium or long.
They got down by 10, if you are going to come back from a 10 point deficit you are going to have to pass the ball (Reno was actually thinking they should have passed it more in the 3rd).....especially when your defense cant seem to get you the ball very often (read the TOP, awful).
Union lost because were awful on Special Teams (I think Frank is downplaying that too much), had no answer for Pedro Sosa (I think Union89 is downplaying that too much) and because the offense sputtered for much of the 3rd Q.

25 points should be enough. But Union should have been able to put 38 points on that Rochester Defense.

Losing 6/giving up 7 on Special Teams is unacceptable.

Allowing a TE to catch 11 balls has to be something that can be taken care of schematically by the coaching staff-especially when the opponent is not rushing the ball at all (look at the stats, 2 yds/carry for #34) and does not have a deep threat at WR.

Reno, not downplaying Union's inability to stop Sosa of the U of R pass offense at all......Like you, I stated more often that not, when Union's special teams were called upon, they failed miserably.

[Ethelred the Unready]

Hate to butt in, but the Hobart game is being replayed on TWS in the Syracuse area.

If anyone is interested..

go 'jackets!

[unionfan]

Isn't there more than enough blame to go around?  

Special teams was terrible (though to be fair, the punting and punt coverage was fine).  Defense gave up the pass all day long.  Offense basically failed to execute for the middle thirty.  Over a hundred yards of penalties.

We also got outcoached, bigtime, and to me that was the difference maker that hurts the most.  Coney has a 100 yards in the first half and we throw on nearly every down into a blitz for the first 20 minutes of the second.  We dont' bother to throw to the tight end until the fourth quarter where, gee, he has 50 yards and a TD on a single drive.  And we rush no all game and give up the 10 yards pass on 3rd down like it's ordained by god, including every play of the final gamewinning drive.

Actually if you read the play by play Union ran every chance they could in the 2nd half. In the 3rd they only passed if it was 3rd and medium or long.
They got down by 10, if you are going to come back from a 10 point deficit you are going to have to pass the ball (Reno was actually thinking they should have passed it more in the 3rd).....especially when your defense cant seem to get you the ball very often (read the TOP, awful).
Union lost because were awful on Special Teams (I think Frank is downplaying that too much), had no answer for Pedro Sosa (I think Union89 is downplaying that too much) and because the offense sputtered for much of the 3rd Q.

25 points should be enough. But Union should have been able to put 38 points on that Rochester Defense.

Losing 6/giving up 7 on Special Teams is unacceptable.

Allowing a TE to catch 11 balls has to be something that can be taken care of schematically by the coaching staff-especially when the opponent is not rushing the ball at all (look at the stats, 2 yds/carry for #34) and does not have a deep threat at WR.

Well, in the 3Q, they passed on 2 of 4 first down plays, and then passed on 2 of 3 second down plays.  And Coney's averaging 6 yards a carry...

It was actually going back to Coney on that 80-yard drive in the fourth that got things going again (and that drive took 2 1/2 minutes).

[Frank Rossi]

Isn't there more than enough blame to go around?  

Special teams was terrible (though to be fair, the punting and punt coverage was fine).  Defense gave up the pass all day long.  Offense basically failed to execute for the middle thirty.  Over a hundred yards of penalties.

We also got outcoached, bigtime, and to me that was the difference maker that hurts the most.  Coney has a 100 yards in the first half and we throw on nearly every down into a blitz for the first 20 minutes of the second.  We dont' bother to throw to the tight end until the fourth quarter where, gee, he has 50 yards and a TD on a single drive.  And we rush no all game and give up the 10 yards pass on 3rd down like it's ordained by god, including every play of the final gamewinning drive.

Thank you, unionfan.....see Frank, it's not that hard to be honest.  I told you this last year that your inability to EVER place blame on the coaching staff totally kills any credibility you may have as an announcer.

Go look up the word 'credibility' in your fancy little book while you suck back a trendy little energy drink and find out what you have none of....

Even when called out, unionfan had to state the obvious because you couldn't.

Interesting, since I'm a play-by-play announcer and any color I contribute is technically a bonus, not part of my role in the booth.  So I'm guessing you'll be glad when I'm done announcing for Union after the Susquehanna game this year -- but maybe you should actually listen to the broadcasts I do to realize I have put together a very critical crew over the years that calls the game with honesty and integrity.  Your banter here about my broadcasting is insulting -- a person can be both a fan and a fair announcer at the same time -- and if you choose not to trust my statements in the booth, that is not my problem.  I do my work with the utmost respect to all involved and try to handle it with class.  

I've called a fair number of Union losses over the years, U89, and my policy is to dole out blame quickly and then try to accentuate the positives and suggest the needed changes -- I've done so here.  Dwelling on negatives by us, the fans, doesn't make the loss go away or improve the team.  You apparently want a witch-hunt to go on, but I will not take any part in that.  So, call me what you want, but don't call me disloyal or disingenuous.  If you had a fraction of a clue what has been going on in Schenectady over the last few years, maybe you'd understand that the coaching staff and players have been actually doing the best they can with the resources they have lately.  But, you don't want to hear about that -- you're already reaching for "Reply" or "Quote" to continue your witch-hunt.  So be it.

[redswarm81]

Isn't there more than enough blame to go around? 

Special teams was terrible (though to be fair, blah blah blah).  Defense blah blah all day long.  Offense basically failed to blah blah.  Over a hundred yards of penalties.

We also got outcoached, bigtime, and blah blah blah.  Blah blah blah in the first half and we blah blah for the first 20 minutes of the second.  We dont' bother to blah blah blah until the fourth quarter where, blah blah blah on a single drive.  And we rush blah and give up blah blah like it's ordained by  BLESSED ALMIGHTY LORD god, including blah blah blah.

Amen.

Actually if you read the play by play Union blah blah blah in the 2nd half. In the 3rd they only blah blah.

Union lost because blah blah blah for much of the 3rd Q.

Losing 6/giving up 7 blah blahs is unacceptable.

Allowing blah blah blah-especially when blah blah and does not blah blah blah.

Reno, not downplaying Union's blah blah blah at all......Like you, I stated more often that not, blah blah blah.

I blame WRUC.  Those fahrking bastiges wouldn't stream me a single blah blah blah.

What were the field conditions in BDT - Beautiful Downtown Troy?

['gro]

well, at least Union fans get a taste of what it's like to lose to Rochester

2 parts disgust, 1 part shame, mix well, serve at room temperature