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['gro]

Hate to butt in, but the Hobart game is being replayed on TWS in the Syracuse area.

If anyone is interested..

go 'jackets!

lone Rocha fan on LLPP, whats in store for the jackets this season? is this the year they but into the big 3's grip on the conference?

[Ethelred the Unready]

Hate to butt in, but the Hobart game is being replayed on TWS in the Syracuse area.

If anyone is interested..

go 'jackets!

lone Rocha fan on LLPP, whats in store for the jackets this season? is this the year they but into the big 3's grip on the conference?

Well...I'm glad you asked.

I have no idea.  Just biding my time til basketball starts.

I am a UR fan by virtue of my son attending the school and my knowing some of the kids on the team from their high school days.  Also, have met Clarence Onyiruka and found him to be a very nice kid.  I actually have more history following Union/RPI as I grew up in the CD back in the "day". 

I will say that UR's two losses came to nationally ranked teams so I guess I wasn't as surprised by the win over Union as some

[Frank Rossi]

Now that U89 is in hiding, I'd like to congratulate U of R on the win today -- especially Coach Greene, who joined us on "In the HuddLLe" last week for our inaugural show.  As Senor RT pointed out on the show, Greene seemed pretty pumped up about the game in a take-no-prisoners kind of way, and that showed during the late fourth quarter when he went for 4th & 1 on U of R's own 45-yard line, up only by 4.  It paid off after a controversial penalty for a blow to the head to the Rochester QB (ball was tipped and the QB was technically an eligible receiver at that point because the ball did not travel far -- somewhat subjective call there).  What it in essence did was chewed up enough time off the clock so that Union's final drive was cut short -- so while that drive led to no points for U of R, it was a clock-eater.

Been quite a day in college football in general... I'm exhausted already...

- Frank

[Reno Hightower]

Isn't there more than enough blame to go around?  

Special teams was terrible (though to be fair, the punting and punt coverage was fine).  Defense gave up the pass all day long.  Offense basically failed to execute for the middle thirty.  Over a hundred yards of penalties.

We also got outcoached, bigtime, and to me that was the difference maker that hurts the most.  Coney has a 100 yards in the first half and we throw on nearly every down into a blitz for the first 20 minutes of the second.  We dont' bother to throw to the tight end until the fourth quarter where, gee, he has 50 yards and a TD on a single drive.  And we rush no all game and give up the 10 yards pass on 3rd down like it's ordained by god, including every play of the final gamewinning drive.

Actually if you read the play by play Union ran every chance they could in the 2nd half. In the 3rd they only passed if it was 3rd and medium or long.
They got down by 10, if you are going to come back from a 10 point deficit you are going to have to pass the ball (Reno was actually thinking they should have passed it more in the 3rd).....especially when your defense cant seem to get you the ball very often (read the TOP, awful).
Union lost because were awful on Special Teams (I think Frank is downplaying that too much), had no answer for Pedro Sosa (I think Union89 is downplaying that too much) and because the offense sputtered for much of the 3rd Q.

25 points should be enough. But Union should have been able to put 38 points on that Rochester Defense.

Losing 6/giving up 7 on Special Teams is unacceptable.

Allowing a TE to catch 11 balls has to be something that can be taken care of schematically by the coaching staff-especially when the opponent is not rushing the ball at all (look at the stats, 2 yds/carry for #34) and does not have a deep threat at WR.

Well, in the 3Q, they passed on 2 of 4 first down plays, and then passed on 2 of 3 second down plays.  And Coney's averaging 6 yards a carry...

It was actually going back to Coney on that 80-yard drive in the fourth that got things going again (and that drive took 2 1/2 minutes).

The 2 first down passes were to Coney. One completed for 2 yards, the other incomplete. Calling a high % pass to a RB is the same as a running play.
I mentioned Union passing on 3rd down so I do not know why you brought that up.

Union's offense scored 4 td's and totalled 416 yards in 21 minutes of possession. I have a hard time criticizing offensive play calling after looking at those numbers. The ST needed to not give up 7 pts via a kick return and hit 3 PAT's. The defense needed to get the offense the ball. Your boy Coney (who is a special talent for anyone who hasnt seen him. Arcidiacanos records could be in trouble) would have had 10 more carried about 65-70 more yards if Unions Defense could cover a TE who was running tiny little dump routes and get them the ball back.

Down 10. Knowing possessions are at a premium. You have to pass the football.

[mattvsmith]

Rev, when did you move from Phoenix to Yuma?

Last December.  Good move careerwise, but it's been murder on The Rev's social life.  The good news is that The Rev is only two and a half hours from San Diego.  The Rev now hangs out in Point Loma about once a month.  Next trip to the coast, The Rev may go to LaJolla because he heard there's an ice skating rink there.  The Rev needs to see some ice to feel human again.

Is the Man in Yellow Hat anywhere near Yuma or SoCal?

[PBR...]

I suppose I should have said "BCS conference" instead of "major conference."

PBR, I am going to channel Corso on Bama "NOT SO FAST MY FRIEND."  Not only is UGA good, but they are great at home.  Plus, big wins over Clemson and Mississippi State frankly don't tell me anything about them.

u may want to rethink that as  'bama is openin' up a giant size can of whooop azz on the dawgs....

[dlippiel]

Wow guys it got pretty heated in here today. Any way you look at it today was a tough loss for the Dutch. This year so far seems to have the Dutch in the same type of situation as last year, maybe worse, maybe a bit better? I think U is in some unchartered territory right now and feeling as if the reputation it has built is slowy in jeopardy. I don't know what to say besides I think the game was lost, as far as I can tell, by a poor playing secondary (and defensive unit altogether), atrocious special teams play, and being OUTCOACHED which I think is happening more than any of us Dutchmen fans are used to. This team has a lot of work to do, a lot. These student athletes have to dig very deep here and ask themselves if they want to do what is nessesary to grow. I respect these student athletes win, lose etc. Yet playing football for the Dutch, to me, is something special and is a huge responsibility. I think the players, and THE COACHING STAFF have to take a serious look in the mirror. I will ALWAYS love the Dutch and support them no matter what. U89 and Frank I know you guys are passionate and you guys know and believe things that some of us don't. Hang in! Let's go U!

[Jonny Utah]

Wow guys it got pretty heated in here today. Any way you look at it today was a tough loss for the Dutch. This year so far seems to have the Dutch in the same type of situation as last year, maybe worse, maybe a bit better? I think U is in some unchartered territory right now and feeling as if the reputation it has built is slowy in jeopardy. I don't know what to say besides I think the game was lost, as far as I can tell, by a poor playing secondary (and defensive unit altogether), atrocious special teams play, and being OUTCOACHED which I think is happening more than any of us Dutchmen fans are used to. This team has a lot of work to do, a lot. These student athletes have to dig very deep here and ask themselves if they want to do what is nessesary to grow. I respect these student athletes win, lose etc. Yet playing football for the Dutch, to me, is something special and is a huge responsibility. I think the players, and THE COACHING STAFF have to take a serious look in the mirror. I will ALWAYS love the Dutch and support them no matter what. U89 and Frank I know you guys are passionate and you guys know and believe things that some of us don't. Hang in! Let's go U!

To many Central MA kids on that Union roster and not enough Boston kids......its science....

In all seriousness, its not like Union lost to Utica and/or Endicott.  Seems like Rochester and M-burg are some pretty good teams.

[Frank Rossi]

Wow guys it got pretty heated in here today. Any way you look at it today was a tough loss for the Dutch. This year so far seems to have the Dutch in the same type of situation as last year, maybe worse, maybe a bit better? I think U is in some unchartered territory right now and feeling as if the reputation it has built is slowy in jeopardy. I don't know what to say besides I think the game was lost, as far as I can tell, by a poor playing secondary (and defensive unit altogether), atrocious special teams play, and being OUTCOACHED which I think is happening more than any of us Dutchmen fans are used to. This team has a lot of work to do, a lot. These student athletes have to dig very deep here and ask themselves if they want to do what is nessesary to grow. I respect these student athletes win, lose etc. Yet playing football for the Dutch, to me, is something special and is a huge responsibility. I think the players, and THE COACHING STAFF have to take a serious look in the mirror. I will ALWAYS love the Dutch and support them no matter what. U89 and Frank I know you guys are passionate and you guys know and believe things that some of us don't. Hang in! Let's go U!

dlippiel -

I think you realize I'm a fan of Union Football as much as anyone -- and I don't think we need to remind coaches to take looks in the mirror when a Union team starts 1-2.  That's already started, no doubts about it.  I just wanted to nip the negativity pandemic we see on the E8PP at times when SJF loses to MUC and squeaks one out vs. U of R before it became a problem here. 

I've watched all three games and know the secondary is having some issues -- at Springfield, they weren't truly tested, and Muhlenberg exposed the holes.  Rochester exploited them even moreso with 281 yards in the air.  I don't choose to make a call for anyone's head (coach or player or otherwise).  I choose to identify the problem and suggest fixes -- fixes that are within a team's control in the MIDDLE of a season.  Discussions about coaching issues that people want to have -- save that sh** for the postseason.  It matters not right now -- we have to play the games with the current roster and the current group of coaches, so get used to what we have right now for another (at least) 6 games and make some positive statements that might help this Union team make a run for the LL crown. 

Remember, unless Rochester goes undefeated in the LL, Union still has a chance to win the LL.  As you said, now is not the time to begin witch-hunts and is the time to be supportive.  Unfortunately, if I look supportive here, I'm going to be called a biased apologist by a supposed Union fan.  I'll take my chances in spite of that. 

- Frank

[maninyellowhat]

Is the Man in Yellow Hat anywhere near Yuma or SoCal?

Was in Tempe for three years.  Am teaching up in Denver now though.  Just remembered you being in downtown Phoenix before, so the weather forecast for Yuma left me wondering.  MIYH remembers his trips back to upstate NY during his tenure in Arizona...it was brutal.  He felt like he needed his parka and hat while others were walking around in t-shirts or hoodies.

[superman57]

Wow guys it got pretty heated in here today. Any way you look at it today was a tough loss for the Dutch. This year so far seems to have the Dutch in the same type of situation as last year, maybe worse, maybe a bit better? I think U is in some unchartered territory right now and feeling as if the reputation it has built is slowy in jeopardy. I don't know what to say besides I think the game was lost, as far as I can tell, by a poor playing secondary (and defensive unit altogether), atrocious special teams play, and being OUTCOACHED which I think is happening more than any of us Dutchmen fans are used to. This team has a lot of work to do, a lot. These student athletes have to dig very deep here and ask themselves if they want to do what is nessesary to grow. I respect these student athletes win, lose etc. Yet playing football for the Dutch, to me, is something special and is a huge responsibility. I think the players, and THE COACHING STAFF have to take a serious look in the mirror. I will ALWAYS love the Dutch and support them no matter what. U89 and Frank I know you guys are passionate and you guys know and believe things that some of us don't. Hang in! Let's go U!

dlippiel -

I think you realize I'm a fan of Union Football as much as anyone -- and I don't think we need to remind coaches to take looks in the mirror when a Union team starts 1-2.  That's already started, no doubts about it.  I just wanted to nip the negativity pandemic we see on the E8PP at times when SJF loses to MUC and squeaks one out vs. U of R before it became a problem here. 

I've watched all three games and know the secondary is having some issues -- at Springfield, they weren't truly tested, and Muhlenberg exposed the holes.  Rochester exploited them even moreso with 281 yards in the air.  I don't choose to make a call for anyone's head (coach or player or otherwise).  I choose to identify the problem and suggest fixes -- fixes that are within a team's control in the MIDDLE of a season.  Discussions about coaching issues that people want to have -- save that sh** for the postseason.  It matters not right now -- we have to play the games with the current roster and the current group of coaches, so get used to what we have right now for another (at least) 6 games and make some positive statements that might help this Union team make a run for the LL crown. 

Remember, unless Rochester goes undefeated in the LL, Union still has a chance to win the LL.  As you said, now is not the time to begin witch-hunts and is the time to be supportive.  Unfortunately, if I look supportive here, I'm going to be called a biased apologist by a supposed Union fan.  I'll take my chances in spite of that. 

- Frank

By the looks of it, it got pretty nasty in here today... Supes is not gonna take the time to read right now... maybe later,  I'm just gonna leave this pearl of wisdom... Guys no one here knows Union Football better than Frank and trust me getting negative is not worth it... Everyone including fans from around the east were saying that Fisher was down and not a good team this year and so forth... listen you have to take one game at a time and if this is a rebuilding year for Union than so be it... so far your two loses are against two good teams... UofR is always dangerous... and Muhlenburg is who we thought they were....  So stay positive and remember hockey season starts soon

[Senor RedTackle]

TGP thinks that the point is that there will be plenty of conversation to be had tomorrow night on the HuddLLe.

7:30 PM EST right guys?

:-)  TGP understands a good controversy when he sees one.  7:30pm - Sunday night.  We'll be posting our guest list in a few hours for this week's show.  Just ironing out our final details.

We got the point about the show....stop prostituting yourself.

If Union made the last PAT, would a 20 yard field goal have tied the game??  You are the biggest Union football apologist around.

jeeezzzz....relax U

RT, I didn't call you out.....after mentioning 3 times in a 1/2 hour, I felt he needed to be called out.  I know you, if you weren't involved with the show, you would be on my side too......

You know you would.....

who takes care of you at Shoozapallooza?

[SJFF82]

Wow guys it got pretty heated in here today. Any way you look at it today was a tough loss for the Dutch. This year so far seems to have the Dutch in the same type of situation as last year, maybe worse, maybe a bit better? I think U is in some unchartered territory right now and feeling as if the reputation it has built is slowy in jeopardy. I don't know what to say besides I think the game was lost, as far as I can tell, by a poor playing secondary (and defensive unit altogether), atrocious special teams play, and being OUTCOACHED which I think is happening more than any of us Dutchmen fans are used to. This team has a lot of work to do, a lot. These student athletes have to dig very deep here and ask themselves if they want to do what is nessesary to grow. I respect these student athletes win, lose etc. Yet playing football for the Dutch, to me, is something special and is a huge responsibility. I think the players, and THE COACHING STAFF have to take a serious look in the mirror. I will ALWAYS love the Dutch and support them no matter what. U89 and Frank I know you guys are passionate and you guys know and believe things that some of us don't. Hang in! Let's go U!

     I just wanted to nip the negativity pandemic we see on the E8PP at times when SJF loses to MUC and squeaks one out vs. U of R before it became a problem here. 

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Live on the HuddLLE: Scott Norwood to mediate the debate between U89 and Frank about Union's kicking game

[Frank Rossi]

Wow guys it got pretty heated in here today. Any way you look at it today was a tough loss for the Dutch. This year so far seems to have the Dutch in the same type of situation as last year, maybe worse, maybe a bit better? I think U is in some unchartered territory right now and feeling as if the reputation it has built is slowy in jeopardy. I don't know what to say besides I think the game was lost, as far as I can tell, by a poor playing secondary (and defensive unit altogether), atrocious special teams play, and being OUTCOACHED which I think is happening more than any of us Dutchmen fans are used to. This team has a lot of work to do, a lot. These student athletes have to dig very deep here and ask themselves if they want to do what is nessesary to grow. I respect these student athletes win, lose etc. Yet playing football for the Dutch, to me, is something special and is a huge responsibility. I think the players, and THE COACHING STAFF have to take a serious look in the mirror. I will ALWAYS love the Dutch and support them no matter what. U89 and Frank I know you guys are passionate and you guys know and believe things that some of us don't. Hang in! Let's go U!

     I just wanted to nip the negativity pandemic we see on the E8PP at times when SJF loses to MUC and squeaks one out vs. U of R before it became a problem here. 

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Live on the HuddLLE: Scott Norwood to mediate the debate between U89 and Frank about Union's kicking game

It means that the whole "the sky is falling" mentality that was present on the E8PP at times so far this season about SJF shouldn't repeat itself here re: Union's 1-2 start.  The sky is not falling, and the sun will come out...tomorrow... Unless Tropical Storm Kyle makes landfall...

[SJFF82]

yeah it probably seemed that way "sky is falling", however, i think it was more of that 'guys' have very high expectations about SJF and it was a bit of a slow start to the season.  I dont think any SJF fan was concerned about the UR game result...that was as expected (same every year)...it was the Buff St performance that had (at least) me concerned.  Getting crushed by MUC week 1 was a tough way to start, and I am glad that SJF came out and performed the way they did today...wasnt sure they were that good until today