FB: Liberty League

[pumkinattack]

Right now, I agree that the MAC is looking like the class of the East conferences, so far.  Kind of depends on how their non-conference opponents season's go (e.g. if Ithaca finishes strong, Lyco and King's losses to Ithaca look better, if Salisbury goes into the tank, Del Valley's win loses luster, etc.).  I'm kind of disappointed by the LL showing so far.  I'd like to see SLU/Roch/Sus/MM win against some decent opponents in the non-conference one of these years.   

I kind of question the usage to the term smoke to define the Hobart loss to SJF last year.  I do think the better team won, but I was at that game and it was competitive to the end.  Fisher's D-line (and Stepnick) just really shut down Bart's (very good) offense.  Maybe its just semantics, but that game was 3 - 0 at the half, their only score in the third quarter was on a fake punt attempt from the 11 that failed (Cragg lives and dies by the sword, you have to accept it to to accept the games its helped win like vs. Union in 2004) where they were guaranteed at least 3.  In fact all three touchdowns by fisher were gotten on 73 yards total.  We missed a 28 yard field goal in the first with a very good kicker (Ancona) also.  Again, Fisher looked like the better team, but Bart played pretty competitively there and it seems like it thrown around how Fisher clearly stomped Bart.  Bart's D held up much better than most people thought, but they have the last few years in the playoffs (Rowan in 2005, Cortland the year before and the Del Valley game that was 0 - 0 in the 4th in 2004)

[bigdvs]

bigdvs has tried to hold his tongue because discussing a 1-3 union team is horrible

This season seems erriely similar to the late 90s .500 season, where indecision at who was to QB led the offense to be terrible.

Frank as always you are the superfan for the league and the team but bigdvs is just glad the LL didnt get moved down a peg or 2 at this point. Imagine what happens to this league if a 3 loss Union upsets either Hobart or RPI, easily opens the door for a Rochester or WPI to win AQ and not have antoher team from LL in a crowded field.

on the other side of it though

a one/no loss Hobart/RPI with tourney wins against MAC/E8/NJAC schools would help the preception of the league greatly one would have to imagine.

[pumkinattack]

For the record, I'm terrified of this game Saturday.  I think Bart should win, have better/more experience personnel (O-Line/D-Line, passing game), but Union is a great program and are probably dying to make a statement after a poor start to the season. 

[union89]

For the record, I'm terrified of this game Saturday.  I think Bart should win, have better/more experience personnel (O-Line/D-Line, passing game), but Union is a great program and are probably dying to make a statement after a poor start to the season. 

U89 agrees PA....Hobart is in one of those situations where they are expected to win pretty big and anything less will reflect poorly on them.  It's been awhile since Union has been in a situation like this, but it's a tough spot for 'Bart.

[pumkinattack]

I think I'd take any win and call it a day.  I'd like to see no turnovers and controlling TOP.  Bart hasn't really done that all year.  Last week they had 20 - 25 less offensive plays in the first half.  Final yardage was about the same, but Bart's average/play ended up significantly higher.  The first quarter was brutal (something like 110 - 26 yds, 7 - 1 1st downs in SLU's favor) and they were lucky to get the two picks to shut drives down. 

If anyone watched the Bama - Kentucky game Sat., they were quoting Nick Saban who had said that even really good teams generally only play complete games 4 - 5 times a season.  I think this is right and it means that a school's season is largely determined by what opponents they play their best games against. 

[union89]

Say what you will about the NEFCPP, but those cats LOVE picking games every week.

[dlippiel]

For the record, I'm terrified of this game Saturday.  I think Bart should win, have better/more experience personnel (O-Line/D-Line, passing game), but Union is a great program and are probably dying to make a statement after a poor start to the season. 

U89 agrees PA....Hobart is in one of those situations where they are expected to win pretty big and anything less will reflect poorly on them.  It's been awhile since Union has been in a situation like this, but it's a tough spot for 'Bart.

I think this will be a tough game for Bart only because they are higly favored vs Union. This is something very new for both, usually this game is a toss up with one being a slight favorite and both usually being undefeated or having one loss. I still think Bart will win at the Boz on Sat but they should be very cautious. The Dutch are going to be very hungry.

[mattvsmith]

I think I'd take any win and call it a day.  I'd like to see no turnovers and controlling TOP.  Bart hasn't really done that all year.  Last week they had 20 - 25 less offensive plays in the first half.  Final yardage was about the same, but Bart's average/play ended up significantly higher.  The first quarter was brutal (something like 110 - 26 yds, 7 - 1 1st downs in SLU's favor) and they were lucky to get the two picks to shut drives down. 

If anyone watched the Bama - Kentucky game Sat., they were quoting Nick Saban who had said that even really good teams generally only play complete games 4 - 5 times a season.  I think this is right and it means that a school's season is largely determined by what opponents they play their best games against. 

Rev's opinion: Statesmen underestimated SLU last week or, in other words, didn't play up to capability because they felt they didn't need to.  Not a good attitude, and one that often gets good teams into jams.

Let's hope that the Statesmen are both mentally and physically prepared for a Union team that is determined to prove that--despite the rough start--they are the best in the LL.  Rev thinks Union will give Hobart the toughest game of the season so far.

However, The Rev is mostly concerned with the pre-game SAA food tent.  The Rev will be coming into Geneva after 14 hours of travel and he will be hungry.  Anyone looking for Rev should look for the dood with the most barbecue sauce smeared across his face and shirt.

[labart96]

I think I'd take any win and call it a day.  I'd like to see no turnovers and controlling TOP.  Bart hasn't really done that all year.  Last week they had 20 - 25 less offensive plays in the first half.  Final yardage was about the same, but Bart's average/play ended up significantly higher.  The first quarter was brutal (something like 110 - 26 yds, 7 - 1 1st downs in SLU's favor) and they were lucky to get the two picks to shut drives down. 

If anyone watched the Bama - Kentucky game Sat., they were quoting Nick Saban who had said that even really good teams generally only play complete games 4 - 5 times a season.  I think this is right and it means that a school's season is largely determined by what opponents they play their best games against. 

Rev's opinion: Statesmen underestimated SLU last week or, in other words, didn't play up to capability because they felt they didn't need to.  Not a good attitude, and one that often gets good teams into jams.

Let's hope that the Statesmen are both mentally and physically prepared for a Union team that is determined to prove that--despite the rough start--they are the best in the LL.  Rev thinks Union will give Hobart the toughest game of the season so far.

However, The Rev is mostly concerned with the pre-game SAA food tent.  The Rev will be coming into Geneva after 14 hours of travel and he will be hungry.  Anyone looking for Rev should look for the dood with the most barbecue sauce smeared across his face and shirt.

enjoy the game and the tent rev.  although tgp will be in upstate, prior committments will negate my being able to chow down with you on saturday.

[redswarm81]

Susquehanna, once down 28-7 with over 9 minutes left in the 3rd quarter to the Merchant Marine Academy, rallies for 23 points in the 4th quarter -- at one point, the score was 35-34 with :22 left in favor of USMMA, when Susquehanna missed an extra point.  Susquehanna, instead of onside kicking normally, kicked deep as USMMA had nobody deep and beat USMMA to the ball.  Susquehanna had the ball on the USMMA 10.  Pass interference from the endzone made it 1st & Goal from the 2 with :17 left.  Susquehanna ran the ball for no gain but spiked the ball with :01 left.  The ensuing 19-yard field goal was good, leading to a 37-35 final in favor of Susquehanna.  Unbelievable finish.  Congratulations to the Crusaders on their 2nd LL win in their less than two years in the LL.

Is it possible that 2-3 Susquehanna could be as enigmatic a team as Rochester and Utica are?  I mean, there's lots of commentary being made about how Rochester and Utica can't be overlooked.

To begin with, that pooch kick was a brilliant bit of coaching and execution, coming on the heels of a pretty darned good comeback to that point.  Furthermore, 2-3 USMMA beat 2-2 Coast Guard soundly, so the Kings Pointers are clearly not the doormats they were last season.

With all the talk about strength of conferences going on these days, and one of the criteria for measuring strength of a conference is top-to-bottom, Susquehanna might be raising the floor in the Liberty League, especially when you consider that they replaced the aforementioned Coast Guard.

['gro]

Gro's all time favorite college football player Willie Williams is back in action!


_{No prob, Cochran's on the case?
Wha... dead? Really?}

No no no... actual foosball action.  Went from "Da U" to "Da other other U".


_{It could be worse, I could be in Schenectady}


The Ballad Of Willie Williams

[superman57]

Gro I saw that and it put an interesting thought in my head... why wouldn't you go DIII before NAIA... I am sure a team like MUC or or Wisconsin school would be happy to take an athlete like that

[union89]

Gro I saw that and it put an interesting thought in my head... why wouldn't you go DIII before NAIA... I am sure a team like MUC or or Wisconsin school would be happy to take an athlete like that

Or Fisher.....

[superman57]

Gro I saw that and it put an interesting thought in my head... why wouldn't you go DIII before NAIA... I am sure a team like MUC or or Wisconsin school would be happy to take an athlete like that

Or Fisher.....

nah... Fisher higher ups would NEVER aprove of something like that... as much as they like to win... every student signs the Fisher Creed

As students who have chosen to join the St. John Fisher College community, we share certain basic values and aspirations.

In order to be active participants in a shared living/learning experience, we bring to Fisher:

RESPECT
for ourselves; for others, their ideas and beliefs; and for our community as a whole.

OPEN-MINDEDNESS
to things that are new, different, and unfamiliar.

INTEGRITY
that will enable us to be honest, sincere, and true to ourselves.

By bringing these qualities to our mutual experience, we help build a community that exemplifies the following values:

DIVERSITY
of cultural backgrounds, personal characteristics, and life situations, all of which we value for their contribution to our community.

RESPONSIBILITY
for individual actions and for their impact on others, and for creating accountability by community members.

EDUCATION
with a commitment to scholarship, academic honesty, and life-long learning.

LEADERSHIP
in an environment that fosters active engagement in our community, displayed through participation, mentorship, and service.

GROWTH
as reflected in continuous personal, intellectual, and spiritual development.

[union89]

Gro I saw that and it put an interesting thought in my head... why wouldn't you go DIII before NAIA... I am sure a team like MUC or or Wisconsin school would be happy to take an athlete like that

Or Fisher.....

nah... Fisher higher ups would NEVER aprove of something like that... as much as they like to win... every student signs the Fisher Creed

As students who have chosen to join the St. John Fisher College community, we share certain basic values and aspirations.

In order to be active participants in a shared living/learning experience, we bring to Fisher:

RESPECT
for ourselves; for others, their ideas and beliefs; and for our community as a whole.

OPEN-MINDEDNESS
to things that are new, different, and unfamiliar.

INTEGRITY
that will enable us to be honest, sincere, and true to ourselves.

By bringing these qualities to our mutual experience, we help build a community that exemplifies the following values:

DIVERSITY
of cultural backgrounds, personal characteristics, and life situations, all of which we value for their contribution to our community.

RESPONSIBILITY
for individual actions and for their impact on others, and for creating accountability by community members.

EDUCATION
with a commitment to scholarship, academic honesty, and life-long learning.

LEADERSHIP
in an environment that fosters active engagement in our community, displayed through participation, mentorship, and service.

GROWTH
as reflected in continuous personal, intellectual, and spiritual development.

They must also guarantee that you can be able to spell after 4 years....that doesn't seem to be working out that well for them....

(Sorry Supe's.....too easy)